LoTR Online (MMO) has a new idea for PvP :o

GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">what do you think?</div>I've just been reading <a href="http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/middleearthonline/news.html?sid=6164769" target="_blank">this interview</a> with one of the big buys behind Lord of the Rings online (or whatever it's real name is) and they have some very, very interesting ideas for PvP :o

The general jist seems to be that in addition to your main 'hero' character you can also play a PvP monster through the use of scrying pools. Unlike the heroes which go about messing with their inventory these monsters upgrade themselves with 'destiny points' which are gained by slaying players, capturing towers and razing villages. In many ways comparable to upgrading your aliens in NS with resource points but more detailed :3

Luckily (or unluckily) they're keeping this 'monster mayhem' mainly to a large high-level area. The beauty of this is that while the players need high level heroes to go in and fight against the monster scourge, anyone with a mere 10 levels or more can use a scrying pool... so you can blow off steam with a huge monster (they start at level 50 and you buy up new levels with destiny points I think :o ) pretty much as soon as you've learned the basics of the game ^^

The monster you create is also 'saved' so every time you scrye you come back to your monster in the making.

What do you guys think? Don't know about you but I think it could be raaaather interesting and a pleasant change from the usual at least :3
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  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    It's certainly an interesting concept, and I admit I haven't been paying too much attention to the LOTR MMO, but it always depends on how they balance it. Is it going to be too shallow a gameplay, such that you may as well have been playing Counter-strike? Is it going to be too addictive such that everybody will want to play a monster and leave their normal characters at Level 10? Is the pvp combat/realm going to be too structured such that it feels just like a normal quest but in another monster's boots?

    Really I can't do much but hope that it turns out to be the greatest, most open-ended and immersive game I've ever seen.
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  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited January 2007
    During the stress test I never actually got an attempt to do PvPM (not enough people at that level). However, based on what I've seen it has a very good chance of working fine.
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  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    What does scrye mean, in this context?
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  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    The act of scrying usually means using mystical resources to see things afar; sometimes even across time. The only example I can think of in LotR novels was when Sam and Frodo stared into the Elf Queen's water basin type thing and Sam saw the shire being devastated. Neither got to choose what they saw really, at least not consciously as far as I could tell.

    I suspect the way you could see it is that the hero in the game is just using one of these pools and somehow seeing the adventures of your chosen monster through it. Kinda like how we look through the PC to see their adventures ^~

    I must admit, I was wondering something similar to what emp said; the idea that lots of people play monsters with less players taking their heroes in there. But they do have some PvE stuff for both sides to occupy themselves with it seems. I've not tried LotR in beta or any other form so I'm still rather curious how the whole thing works really :3

    The only other MMOs I'm watching with a mind to PvP so far are Conan and Warhammer... oh and Huxley of course :p
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  • KungFuDiscoMonkeyKungFuDiscoMonkey Creator of ns_altair 日本福岡県 Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14555Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos
    Sounds interesting.
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  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    So this is new because it lets us play as monsters?
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1602617:date=Jan 29 2007, 07:59 AM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Align @ Jan 29 2007, 07:59 AM) [snapback]1602617[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    So this is new because it lets us play as monsters?
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    This is new because it lets you get into epic world-shaking battles without killing 10 Green Uruk-Hai Grunts and collecting their pouches and turning them into level up, over and over and over.
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  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    lol! As tycho puts it, you can begin monster PvP at level 10 and it puts you in the seat of a level 50 monster. This means you can get straight into high level PvP action without grinding it out.

    In addition you should've noticed what I said about monster evolution; it's based off destiny points. This means to advance in PvP you don't need to worry about hunting 'phat lewt' to stand a chance; just engage in PvP and it rewards you! Unlike WoW's PvP for example it appears you can level up your monster purely through PvP and customise it too if you so wanted.

    It also means that when you feel sociable you still have your pretty hero character as your main to chat to everyone as... infact it kinda solves the horrible problem wow has where your friends might make a horde or alliance char when you want to play as the other side because you essentially have both on one character :p
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  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    nice to hear semi-new ideas out there, I hope it's done well (though it will be quite hard to woo me away from WoW)

    ...still 2 levels to 70 <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> my guild did karazan yesterday... I'm jealous. </derail>
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  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    Neat idea, similar to EverQuest's monster missions, but with a PvP slant instead. Hopefully they do it right.

    Also, check <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/22/1645252" target="_blank">this</a> out FPS-style. Sorta.
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  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    So kinda like GW(or rather, like GW is <i>now</i>, since it certainly wasn't viable to improve your pvp peeps just through playing pvp at release), except MMO. I'm interested.
    Anyway, what's the max level? S'no good if you get even a level 50 <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/skulk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::skulk::" border="0" alt="skulk.gif" /> while level 200's roam around killing your dudes.
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  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1602645:date=Jan 29 2007, 06:28 PM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Align @ Jan 29 2007, 06:28 PM) [snapback]1602645[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Guild Wars
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    ~sticks fingers in ears~
    lalala... not listening. Can't hear you. lalala...

    :p

    As for max level in LotR I'm not really sure; I'll go have a looksee in the near future no doubt or maybe a beta tester could tell us?
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  • KungFuDiscoMonkeyKungFuDiscoMonkey Creator of ns_altair 日本福岡県 Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14555Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos
    <!--quoteo(post=1602666:date=Jan 29 2007, 03:28 PM:name=Geminosity)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Geminosity @ Jan 29 2007, 03:28 PM) [snapback]1602666[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->

    ~sticks fingers in ears~
    lalala... not listening. Can't hear you. lalala...

    <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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    But I thought Guild Wars was your favorite game. ^__^
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  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Annuvin: LOTRO will support 50 levels for launch. Internal to the team, we've been trying to ensure that there is enough to do, so much so that you won't notice the grind (unless you don't want to do everything in the game. If you're one of those, then... There will be a grind).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <a href="http://lotro.warcry.com/news/view/67476-Unofficial-Official-Dev-Chat-Log" target="_blank">http://lotro.warcry.com/news/view/67476-Un...al-Dev-Chat-Log</a>
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  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1602612:date=Jan 29 2007, 09:32 AM:name=Geminosity)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Geminosity @ Jan 29 2007, 09:32 AM) [snapback]1602612[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    The act of scrying usually means using mystical resources to see things afar; sometimes even across time.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    "Controlling monsters" will do.

    So... couldn't people control level 50 monsters, have it sit there and have a friend hack-away at it and get a grip of EXP?
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  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1602666:date=Jan 29 2007, 09:28 PM:name=Geminosity)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Geminosity @ Jan 29 2007, 09:28 PM) [snapback]1602666[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    As for max level in LotR I'm not really sure; I'll go have a looksee in the near future no doubt or maybe a beta tester could tell us?
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    Oh come on, I can understand not liking the gameplay, but completely ignoring any good aspects of the rest of the game? Shame on you.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1602676:date=Jan 29 2007, 01:23 PM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Jan 29 2007, 01:23 PM) [snapback]1602676[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    "Controlling monsters" will do.

    So... couldn't people control level 50 monsters, have it sit there and have a friend hack-away at it and get a grip of EXP?
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    You can make alts in World of Warcraft, bring them to battlegrounds, and let your friends wail on them. It's boring and stupid, though. Besides, you'll be controlling monsters fighting monsters in giant battles, not the things people quest against.
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  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1602688:date=Jan 29 2007, 04:23 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jan 29 2007, 04:23 PM) [snapback]1602688[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's boring and stupid, though.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->So? Control something strong, tell your friends, get the monster ripped apart while you go do something else.
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1602692:date=Jan 29 2007, 02:28 PM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Jan 29 2007, 02:28 PM) [snapback]1602692[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    So? Control something strong, tell your friends, get the monster ripped apart while you go do something else.
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    It dies <i>once</i>, then respawns deep behind enemy lines. Woo, you really broke the game there, mister.
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  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1602692:date=Jan 29 2007, 05:28 PM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Jan 29 2007, 05:28 PM) [snapback]1602692[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    So? Control something strong, tell your friends, get the monster ripped apart while you go do something else.
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    Er, it sounds like this will be a high level PvP-enabled zone anyway.

    Have fun getting ganked by everyone else who isn't trying to exploit the system.
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