Looking for a Tablet.

LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Need some input!</div>I've never had a tablet, and since I've been drawing more with an actual pen, getting into PhotoShop with a Mouse is becoming a pain. It's probably the main reason I'm not in PhotoShop more often.

I'm taking a PhotoShop course in college right now, but I don't feel like adapting to the mouse again. So, I'm looking for a tablet, but there's two things:

1. I've never used one, and I don't know what to look for in one.
2. I only have around $150 to spend on it.

I heard Wacom is a good company and this looks as though it suits my needs:
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Graphire4-6x8-Tablet-CTE640S/dp/B000BBE9DM/sr=8-3/qid=1170754612/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/105-6265602-3305206?ie=UTF8&s=electronics" target="_blank">Clicketh</a>
I don't want to waste money if it's just crap at a high price; so I'd really appreciate some input for this purchase.

I'd ask this in the Artwork forum, but it's been very dead.

Comments

  • ZeroByteZeroByte Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3057Members
    edited February 2007
    Wacom has pretty much set the standard with graphic tablets. The Graphire line is pretty popular because of its pricing and features. I can't relate any personal experiences with Wacom tablets though, I'm suffering from wacom envy myself <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />.

    None of my friends have had any complaints about their Graphires except for breaking them (which was entirely their fault) so I'd say go for it. At my school, if anyone talks about pen tablets its pretty much a sure thing they're talking about Wacom Graphire tablets. Unless one of them sekratly has a <a href="http://www.wacom.com/lcdtablets/index.cfm" target="_blank">Cintiq</a> in which case I pretty much hate them out of pure jealousy.

    Doh. Realized I didn't answer the question of what to look for. If you go for a Graphire, looks like your budget will only accomodate the 4x5 version unless you find a great deal on the 6x8. If you decide to look at other brands for pen tablets, check the levels of pen sensitivity and the size of the drawing surface. There are cheaper tablets out there but they don't necessarily cater to artists, the Graphire would be a pretty good benchmark if you want to look for other brands.
  • RustySpoonRustySpoon Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18069Members
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> <ul><li>Pressure sensitive pen and tablet ideal for creative and business applications</li></ul><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I know nothing of what I speak, but honestly what else can you possibly need? Inbuilt pencil sharpener?
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Basically the rule for tablets is to buy the biggest Graphire that you can afford. Pretty simple, eh?
  • ZeroByteZeroByte Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3057Members
    Nah, I'm pretty sure that rule states: "Sell your spleen and buy the biggest Cintiq you can get your grubby hands on". <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
  • Femme_FataleFemme_Fatale Join Date: 2005-06-21 Member: 54310Members, Constellation
    wacom tablets ftw!
    im currently looking for one aswell
    i got a hint to go look at ebay for them.
  • TheDestroyerTheDestroyer Tooobah Join Date: 2003-07-12 Member: 18123Members, Constellation
    Uhg... we have had HUGE topics on this over at The Webcomic List. I jut can't get away from this!!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

    I do some cartoon art (both on the web AND in newspaper). Right now, I use <a href="http://www.aiptek.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=R-HP6U&Category_Code=T1&Store_Code=AS" target="_blank">this</a>.

    Wacoms are nice, yes. But, theres no reason to shell out $150+ on one, unless you are a professional. An el cheapo pad (like mine) works just as good.

    My suggestion: Go hit up <a href="http://newegg.com" target="_blank">newegg.com</a> and check out the tablets there. There are some nice ones there (I'm in the market, too, so I've been looking around). No reason to shell out that much money just for a college course (even though some of the books are cheaper).
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    I've always wondered how people can draw on tablets if the tablet itself doesn't display what you're drawing. Won't you forget your place or something?
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    edited February 2007
    Well some display, some are just monitors you can use the Stylus on while a whole is burnt into your pocket.

    I've been looking at sizes, oh la la!, and I think 8 x 6 would be comfortable, anything smaller would be an utter pain in the ######. For you artists, what would be good?
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1604290:date=Feb 6 2007, 12:27 PM:name=CForrester)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CForrester @ Feb 6 2007, 12:27 PM) [snapback]1604290[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I've always wondered how people can draw on tablets if the tablet itself doesn't display what you're drawing. Won't you forget your place or something?
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    That's like asking how you can aim in an FPS if the mousepad doesn't show you where the crosshair is.
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1604306:date=Feb 6 2007, 05:02 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Feb 6 2007, 05:02 PM) [snapback]1604306[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    That's like asking how you can aim in an FPS if the mousepad doesn't show you where the crosshair is.
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    Not really, unless the cursor on the screen moves just by moving the stylus and not pressing it down to actually do the drawing.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    I believe that's how it works. There's a button on the stylus you press for "click."
  • TransmissionTransmission Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14456Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1604306:date=Feb 6 2007, 05:02 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Feb 6 2007, 05:02 PM) [snapback]1604306[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    That's like asking how you can aim in an FPS if the mousepad doesn't show you where the crosshair is.
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    The tablet will pick up the stylus as long as you hover < 1cm above the tablet. That way, you can move the cursor on the screen without actually pressing down and "clicking" if you don't want to. The two buttons on the side of the stylus are usually used for right click and middle click/other.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    I have the Graphire4 4x6, and I'm quite happy with it.

    And fyi, you just hold the pen above the tablet without touching it, and the mouse cursor follows the position of the pen on the tablet on the screen. Then when you toich the pen to the tablet, it registers as a click, and in supported apps (photoshop, painter, opencanvas, gimp, etc...) the pressure sensitivity comes into play.
  • Femme_FataleFemme_Fatale Join Date: 2005-06-21 Member: 54310Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1604290:date=Feb 6 2007, 09:27 PM:name=CForrester)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CForrester @ Feb 6 2007, 09:27 PM) [snapback]1604290[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I've always wondered how people can draw on tablets if the tablet itself doesn't display what you're drawing. Won't you forget your place or something?
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    its like being able to type without keeping your eyes on the keyboard.
    its touch and go.

    not too hard when you get the hang of it <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
  • MerkabaMerkaba Digital Harmony Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 22Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester
    You can't forget your place because hovering your pen over the pad works just like a mouse. To click, you press the pen to the pad; you don't have to actually make contact with the pad to use it, it has a range of about three quarters of an inch (on my Wacom Intuos 2, now 4 years old).
  • MordenMorden Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14045Members
    I got a Graphire 3 4x5 a few years ago, and I love it. I draw in Corel Painter IX all the time. I've put very heavy use into it, and it still works perfectly. I don't think I could live without it. Go for the $100 Graphire 4 (the latest version) and rest assured you've got a quality product. In the future you can decide whether or not you want to shell out $250 - $400 on the next model up.

    The 4x5 is plenty of room for casual/hobby artistsand those who are learning. The size of the drawing surface will always be fitted to the size of your screen. Move to the bottom right corner of your tablet and it goes to the bottom right corner of your screen. The large size tablets are for people who like to wave around their arms <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    I ordered the one in my original post; it'll be fine for me.

    Just out of curiousity though, could I use the tablet in other applications? Just completely replace my mouse? Kinda like playing a FPS game with Metroid Prime: Hunters controls.
  • Femme_FataleFemme_Fatale Join Date: 2005-06-21 Member: 54310Members, Constellation
    yes you can.it takes some getting used to tho <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
  • MordenMorden Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14045Members
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just out of curiousity though, could I use the tablet in other applications? Just completely replace my mouse? Kinda like playing a FPS game with Metroid Prime: Hunters controls.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    I like to use it for web browsing, and even some 3ds modeling programs.. but i really couldn't get used to using it to play NS. It was just too crazy.
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    I tried using my Wacom tablet for FPS, but it doesn't work that way. FPS turn you view according to how far off center your cursor is. So if the pen is not in the exact center of the board your view just continually spins around.
  • MerkabaMerkaba Digital Harmony Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 22Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester
    With Wacom tablets you can tell it to use a different coordinate system with different apps, though. For NS I set it to behave like a mouse, ie, no matter where you place the pen on the pad the cursor doesn't jump about but moved relative to where you put the pen. You can play like that, but it would require some skill - I also had to bind one of the pen-buttons to an NS alias that sets my sensitivity higher for as long as the button is held - that way I never had to take the pen off the pad to do a full circle. It's not easy, but it's possible!

    Other things you can set up per-application are things like what the buttons do (in photoshop I set one of the buttons to 'step backwards'), how much of the screen it uses, what movement type to use, sensitivity, etc. It's fully customisable in that respect.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    Does the "pressure" make the lines darker like a real pen/pencil? That'd be nice for sketching, damn, now I dont' want to wait for it to arrive... Only downside of ordering online!
  • arcticaarctica Shindiggery innit Join Date: 2005-02-18 Member: 41646Members
    Just get a Graphire4 4x5 or 6x8 tablet. I used to use an old Graphire 4x5 and that lasted for a few years in working order until I got the funds to cover half for a new Graphire 6x8. Works like a charm as it should.

    also doing anything with the mouse besides basic use is eh. just stick to your mouse you use for gaming, and make room on your desk for use of a tablet.

    Opencanvas 1.1 is a great program to do sketch work in, too. Use it...all the time <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1604610:date=Feb 7 2007, 05:15 PM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Feb 7 2007, 05:15 PM) [snapback]1604610[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Does the "pressure" make the lines darker like a real pen/pencil? That'd be nice for sketching, damn, now I dont' want to wait for it to arrive... Only downside of ordering online!
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    Pressure can do whatever you want. Lots of people use it to control line width; push down hard for thick, lightly for thin, etc. You can also do something like opacity or whatever.
  • Femme_FataleFemme_Fatale Join Date: 2005-06-21 Member: 54310Members, Constellation
    metacreations was it?
    that drawingprogram?
    there you can make your tablet //pencil act like a real pencil.
    add pressure,scuffmarks,smudge marks etc.
  • frostymoosefrostymoose Join Date: 2003-09-12 Member: 20799Members
    wacom 6x8 preferably an intuos. End of discussion.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    What's the difference between the Graphire and Intuos lines?
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    The Graphire has 512 levels of pressure sensitivity, the Intuos has 1024, if I recall.

    512 is plenty, especially for learning to draw with a tablet.
  • MerkabaMerkaba Digital Harmony Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 22Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester
    edited February 2007
    How the pressure affects your strokes depends on how you have photoshop (or your other pressure-supporting app) set up. You can set it to move between two colours with the stroke, change size, change opacity, change scatter, change roundness, and combine any of them together. So you could, if you wanted, have a thin yellow line when drawing lightly and a thick scattered red line when drawing hard. My only gripe is that you can't reverse the settings; its always less pressure = less value, never vice versa.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    My tablet has <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?s=3311573049913133056&showtopic=100320" target="_blank">arrived!</a> My pressure thingie is set to differ in size I believe, it's very fun. I think I'll be haunting the Artwork forum more.
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