Mouse Sensitivities

UnderwhelmedUnderwhelmed DemoDetective #?! Join Date: 2006-09-19 Member: 58026Members, Constellation
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Just curious what everybody here plays at. I'm currently using 90 degrees/inch for marines, and 120 degrees/inch for aliens. It used to be a lot higher though, like double that. You can physically measure how much you need to move your mouse to complete a circle, and do some math to find your sensitivity, or you can calculate it with:
Mouse DPI * Windows Multiplier * m_pitch or m_yaw * sensitivity = Degrees/Inch.

A windows multiplier table can be found <a href="http://razerblueprints.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=99&topic=5805.0" target="_blank">here</a>, and the registry value can be found in your registry at HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Mouse.

Please don't just post your in-game sensitivity, because that tells us absolutely nothing.
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  • ChimpZealotChimpZealot The Elite Demo Detective Join Date: 2002-11-30 Member: 10315Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    105.6 degrees/inch for alien, 58.08 degrees/inch for marine
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  • vmsvms Join Date: 2005-06-15 Member: 53927Members
    edited February 2007
    800 * 10 * 0.022 *3.3-4.3 = 500-750 degrees/inch?
    doesnt seem quite right because that looks awfully high compared to you
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  • a_civiliana_civilian Likes seeing numbers Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12041Members, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead
    edited February 2007
    10^-33 radians per Planck length on aliens, 4*10^-34 radians per Planck length on marines.

    (i.e. 90 degrees/inch on aliens, 36 degrees/inch on marines)

    Edit: Though since sensitivity is proportional to field of view, the skulk sensitivity is 7/6 the nominal alien sensitivity, and gorge sensitivity is 10/9 the same.

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    800 * 10 * 0.022 *3.3-4.3 = 500-750 degrees/inch?
    doesnt seem quite right because that looks awfully high compared to you
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    Where does the 10 come from? According to the table linked in the original post, Windows mouse sensitivity only scales between 1/32 and 7/2. If your Windows mouse sensitivity is 10, the scaling factor is 1.
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  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Finally a useful sensitivity poll <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

    800 * 1 * .022 * 5 = 88 degrees/inch, for both teams. That's just what I've used since my recent reformat though, I don't know what it was before.
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  • SpookyJewelerSpookyJeweler Join Date: 2007-02-10 Member: 59925Banned
    edited February 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1605334:date=Feb 10 2007, 06:29 PM:name=a_civilian)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(a_civilian @ Feb 10 2007, 06:29 PM) [snapback]1605334[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    10^-33 radians per Planck length on aliens, 4*10^-34 radians per Planck length on marines.
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    lol guys im even cooler than the other pts comprox might not have played since 1.04 but damn he's got nothing on you

    6/11 win sens
    windows accel
    no drivers
    400 dpi MS Wheel Mouse Optical
    poll at 500
    640*480
    100 refresh rate (affects windows accel)

    formula is inaccurate for me comes out to 13.2 degrees when in reality base sens without accel is more like 21.
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  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Banned
    this assumes no acceleration...

    here's what I really want to know:

    <b>what are Makaveli's SetPoint settings?</b> I know the guy uses an mx518, but it's the driver settings that make his unique. What DPI setting? Do you tell setpoint to give mouse control to "SetPoint" or "System"? If you let SetPoint control mouse movement, what (if any) acceleration mode do you use? Do you use the CPL fix?

    I currently use a MS Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 with no drivers and mouse accel ON. I wish there were an easy way to toggle accel on for marines, and off for aliens.

    So, does anyone else intentionally use acceleration? If so, what mouse/drivers/dpi do you use?
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  • SpookyJewelerSpookyJeweler Join Date: 2007-02-10 Member: 59925Banned
    edited February 2007
    Unless something changed recently makavelli uses some 400dpi ms ball mouse that he wanted me to order him from australia with windows accel I believe.
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  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Banned
    <!--quoteo(post=1605356:date=Feb 10 2007, 02:42 PM:name=SpookyJeweler)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SpookyJeweler @ Feb 10 2007, 02:42 PM) [snapback]1605356[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Unless something changed recently makavelli uses some 400dpi ms ball mouse with windows accel I believe.
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    he's told me mx518.. anyway, detailed settings of any of the upper-echelon cal vets would be interesting, especially mak's
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  • enigmaenigma Join Date: 2004-09-11 Member: 31623Members
    mx300
    500 usb polling rate
    maccel off

    39.5 deg/inch marines
    61.6 deg/inch aliens
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  • a_civiliana_civilian Likes seeing numbers Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12041Members, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead
    <!--quoteo(post=1605349:date=Feb 10 2007, 02:25 PM:name=SpookyJeweler)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SpookyJeweler @ Feb 10 2007, 02:25 PM) [snapback]1605349[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->6/11 win sens
    windows accel
    no drivers
    400 dpi MS Wheel Mouse Optical
    poll at 500
    640*480
    100 refresh rate (affects windows accel)

    formula is inaccurate for me comes out to 13.2 degrees when in reality base sens without accel is more like 21.
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    You may or may not have taken this into account, but 6/11 on the sensitivity slider corresponds to MouseSensitivity 12.

    MouseSensitivity is a registry value at HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Mouse

    The sensitivity slider skips some of the values, which is why it has 11 rather than 20 settings.

    <!--quoteo(post=1605349:date=Feb 10 2007, 02:25 PM:name=SpookyJeweler)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SpookyJeweler @ Feb 10 2007, 02:25 PM) [snapback]1605349[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->lol guys im even cooler than the other pts comprox might not have played since 1.04 but damn he's got nothing on you<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thanks?

    <!--quoteo(post=1605357:date=Feb 10 2007, 02:44 PM:name=ubermensch)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ubermensch @ Feb 10 2007, 02:44 PM) [snapback]1605357[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->anyway, detailed settings of any of the upper-echelon cal vets would be interesting,<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I didn't use anything special - just an mx518 with the sensitivity mentioned above and no acceleration.
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  • coolstorycoolstory Join Date: 2007-01-08 Member: 59520Members
    63.36 Deg/Inch for Marine.
    70.4 Deg/Inch for Skulk
    123 Deg/Inch for Lerk
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  • SpaceJesusSpaceJesus Join Date: 2004-07-02 Member: 29683Banned
    <!--quoteo(post=1605353:date=Feb 10 2007, 02:39 PM:name=ubermensch)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ubermensch @ Feb 10 2007, 02:39 PM) [snapback]1605353[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I currently use a MS Intellimouse Explorer 3.0<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Why would you pay for something made by micro$oft? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
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  • vmsvms Join Date: 2005-06-15 Member: 53927Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1605334:date=Feb 10 2007, 01:29 PM:name=a_civilian)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(a_civilian @ Feb 10 2007, 01:29 PM) [snapback]1605334[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    10^-33 radians per Planck length on aliens, 4*10^-34 radians per Planck length on marines.

    (i.e. 90 degrees/inch on aliens, 36 degrees/inch on marines)

    Edit: Though since sensitivity is proportional to field of view, the skulk sensitivity is 7/6 the nominal alien sensitivity, and gorge sensitivity is 10/9 the same.
    Where does the 10 come from? According to the table linked in the original post, Windows mouse sensitivity only scales between 1/32 and 7/2. If your Windows mouse sensitivity is 10, the scaling factor is 1.
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    thanks, for some reason i read a 10 instead of a 1 off that table :u
    makes sense now
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  • SpookyJewelerSpookyJeweler Join Date: 2007-02-10 Member: 59925Banned
    edited February 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1605400:date=Feb 10 2007, 11:01 PM:name=SpaceJesus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SpaceJesus @ Feb 10 2007, 11:01 PM) [snapback]1605400[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Why would you pay for something made by micro$oft? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
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    Well something like 95%+ of CPL players use either the intellimouse explorer 3.0 or the MS wheel mouse optical. Lift off distance/shape/ability to handle high speeds.

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    detailed settings of any of the upper-echelon cal vets would be interesting, especially mak's
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    Mak uses a fat pad I sent him and a lower/medium sensitivity with accel.

    Most people use a medium sensitivity with no accel.

    Yumosis used 24 degrees no accel.

    Pneumatic Crab(best aim in ns) and Cloud King used 26 degrees with windows accel at 100 or 120 refresh rate.

    I've used from 16 degrees to 42 degrees and just use the 20 degrees with windows accel at 100 refresh now.

    Jmmsbnd uses something in the 20s I believe.
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    wzza was better
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  • SpookyJewelerSpookyJeweler Join Date: 2007-02-10 Member: 59925Banned
    edited February 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1605445:date=Feb 11 2007, 03:47 AM:name=TOmekki)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TOmekki @ Feb 11 2007, 03:47 AM) [snapback]1605445[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    wzza was better
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    almost as good as toothy
    At least you didn't say mustang.
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  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Banned
    edited February 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1605400:date=Feb 10 2007, 06:01 PM:name=SpaceJesus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SpaceJesus @ Feb 10 2007, 06:01 PM) [snapback]1605400[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Why would you pay for something made by micro$oft? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
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    i guess now i only owe them [(how much does XP cost?) x 15] - $29.99

    btw, put abra back in your avatar, it defines you

    <!--quoteo(post=1605424:date=Feb 10 2007, 08:46 PM:name=SpookyJeweler)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SpookyJeweler @ Feb 10 2007, 08:46 PM) [snapback]1605424[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Well something like 95%+ of CPL players use either the intellimouse explorer 3.0 or the MS wheel mouse optical. Lift off distance/shape/ability to handle high speeds.
    Mak uses a fat pad I sent him and a lower/medium sensitivity with accel.

    Most people use a medium sensitivity with no accel.

    Yumosis used 24 degrees no accel.

    Pneumatic Crab(best aim in ns) and Cloud King used 26 degrees with windows accel at 100 or 120 refresh rate.

    I've used from 16 degrees to 42 degrees and just use the 20 degrees with windows accel at 100 refresh now.

    Jmmsbnd uses something in the 20s I believe.
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    how does the screen refresh rate affect mouseaccel?

    <!--quoteo(post=1605349:date=Feb 10 2007, 02:25 PM:name=SpookyJeweler)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SpookyJeweler @ Feb 10 2007, 02:25 PM) [snapback]1605349[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    6/11 win sens
    windows accel
    no drivers
    400 dpi MS Wheel Mouse Optical
    poll at 500
    640*480
    100 refresh rate (affects windows accel)

    formula is inaccurate for me comes out to 13.2 degrees when in reality base sens without accel is more like 21.
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    cute, that's basically identical to what my setup already was, right down to the driverless 6/11 setting, 100hz refresh rate (vsync on) and 500hz usb polling. (msie 3.0 and MWO optical trackers are the same equipment in different casing.)
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  • SpookyJewelerSpookyJeweler Join Date: 2007-02-10 Member: 59925Banned
    The higher the refresh rate the more sensitive accel kicking in is. So have to move mouse slower to keep it from accel.
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  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    uhhhh i doubt this has any relevance to the discussion but after getting rid of mouse acceleration i was able to keep my form even though i only played one scrim every 2 weeks or so
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  • ZiGGYZiGGY Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12479Members
    I really should remove mouse accel but i cba <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> also when I used to play Q2 online I was using sensitivities as low as 10deg/inch (I had likea metre of deskspace, was pretty fun lol)
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  • vmsvms Join Date: 2005-06-15 Member: 53927Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1605774:date=Feb 12 2007, 07:59 AM:name=ZiGGY)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ZiGGY @ Feb 12 2007, 07:59 AM) [snapback]1605774[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I really should remove mouse accel but i cba <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> also when I used to play Q2 online I was using sensitivities as low as 10deg/inch (I had likea metre of deskspace, was pretty fun lol)
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    how do you manage to rocketjump with that :O
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  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Banned
    <!--quoteo(post=1605774:date=Feb 12 2007, 07:59 AM:name=ZiGGY)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ZiGGY @ Feb 12 2007, 07:59 AM) [snapback]1605774[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I really should remove mouse accel but i cba <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> also when I used to play Q2 online I was using sensitivities as low as 10deg/inch (I had likea metre of deskspace, was pretty fun lol)
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    "cant be arsed", oh whinge on you yobbish prat

    assuming you don't have any fancy drivers, just install the <a href="http://files.filefront.com/CPL_Mouse_Fix/;3930694;;/fileinfo.html" target="_blank">cpl mouse fix</a>, restart, and the perceived problem ceases to exist.
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  • coriscoris Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18034Members, Constellation
    Or add -noforcemaccel -noforcemspd to the commandline in steam. Even simpler.
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  • splintersnakesplintersnake Join Date: 2006-10-22 Member: 58085Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1605353:date=Feb 10 2007, 07:39 PM:name=ubermensch)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ubermensch @ Feb 10 2007, 07:39 PM) [snapback]1605353[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    <b>what are Makaveli's SetPoint settings?</b> I know the guy uses an mx518, but it's the driver settings that make his unique. What DPI setting? Do you tell setpoint to give mouse control to "SetPoint" or "System"? If you let SetPoint control mouse movement, what (if any) acceleration mode do you use? Do you use the CPL fix?
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    I own that same mouse! though i do own a copy of his configs too so i might have to take a look and see how his work <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerd-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::nerdy::" border="0" alt="nerd-fix.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerd-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::nerdy::" border="0" alt="nerd-fix.gif" />



    Though my sens is as follows:

    193.6 degrees/inch for alien
    202.4 degrees/inch
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  • F4tManMGS2F4tManMGS2 Join Date: 2004-04-10 Member: 27842Members
    how do i find my DPI?
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  • HatlabuFarkasHatlabuFarkas Join Date: 2005-03-09 Member: 44496Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1605271:date=Feb 10 2007, 04:33 AM:name=ChimpZealot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimpZealot @ Feb 10 2007, 04:33 AM) [snapback]1605271[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->105.6 degrees/inch for alien, 58.08 degrees/inch for marine<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    i have a c0pperhead 2K dpi mouse, and the RINE, and aliens setting is Equals.

    no differents between 2 forces.

    console Sens : 3.2
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  • UnderwhelmedUnderwhelmed DemoDetective #?&#33; Join Date: 2006-09-19 Member: 58026Members, Constellation
    Congratulations, you are the first person in this thread to completely fail by posting insufficient information to be related into physical units.
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  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Banned
    <!--quoteo(post=1606145:date=Feb 13 2007, 01:38 PM:name=splintersnake)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(splintersnake @ Feb 13 2007, 01:38 PM) [snapback]1606145[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I own that same mouse! though i do own a copy of his configs too so i might have to take a look and see how his work <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerd-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::nerdy::" border="0" alt="nerd-fix.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerd-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::nerdy::" border="0" alt="nerd-fix.gif" />
    Though my sens is as follows:

    193.6 degrees/inch for alien
    202.4 degrees/inch
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    that would be great <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
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  • F4tManMGS2F4tManMGS2 Join Date: 2004-04-10 Member: 27842Members
    121 for both
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  • splintersnakesplintersnake Join Date: 2006-10-22 Member: 58085Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1606156:date=Feb 13 2007, 07:02 PM:name=HatlabuFarkas)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(HatlabuFarkas @ Feb 13 2007, 07:02 PM) [snapback]1606156[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    i have a c0pperhead 2K dpi mouse, and the RINE, and aliens setting is Equals.

    no differents between 2 forces
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    Then apparently you have a config file that allows that, mine changes depending on the team i go to as do most of the people here.
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