If everyone lived like you, how many earths would we Need?

QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<div class="IPBDescription">Stolen from Digg</div>Take <a href="http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp" target="_blank">this</a> quiz.

I personally got:

FOOD 5.9
MOBILITY 0.2
SHELTER 1.5
GOODS/SERVICES 1.5
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 9

2.1 Planets


Whats yours?
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  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    CATEGORY ACRES
    FOOD 3
    MOBILITY 4.2
    SHELTER 1.7
    GOODS/SERVICES 5.4
    TOTAL FOOTPRINT 14

    at least I'm above average =d

    I commute 60 miles by myself by old, inefficient car every day, that hurts my record. being a veggie helps though.
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
    FOOD 1.5
    MOBILITY 0.2
    SHELTER 0.3
    GOODS/SERVICES 0.4
    TOTAL FOOTPRINT 2.4



    IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 5.3 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

    WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.



    IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.3 PLANETS.


    Apparently I'm not a role model for being green it seems.
  • RustySpoonRustySpoon Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18069Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1606185:date=Feb 13 2007, 04:06 PM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Feb 13 2007, 04:06 PM) [snapback]1606185[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I commute 60 miles by myself by old, inefficient car every day, that hurts my record. being a veggie helps though.
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    On topic, I suppose, but why are you a veggie? Religious? Health? Honestly curious, not trying to flame or anything.
  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    tbh I don't have any hard reason, my mother said I just stopped eating meat when I was just a toddler, and the idea of meat just grosses me out still. It was probably because I loved animals as a kid and couldn't reconcile eating them. It's just reflex/habit at this point, I'm not really your stereotypical hippie vegetarian (not as bad as some people, anyway)...
  • KungFuDiscoMonkeyKungFuDiscoMonkey Creator of ns_altair 日本福岡県 Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14555Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos
    FOOD 5.4
    MOBILITY 0.2
    SHELTER 4.4
    GOODS/SERVICES 3.2
    TOTAL FOOTPRINT 13

    3 PLANETS
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    edited February 2007
    CATEGORY ACRES
    FOOD 4.9
    MOBILITY 0.2
    SHELTER 4
    GOODS/SERVICES 3
    TOTAL FOOTPRINT 12

    IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

    WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

    IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.7 PLANETS.

    I am guessing the fact that I live in NYC, most of my food is not localy grown, and I eat meat regularly are what pump up my rattings (oh, and I only have 1 person living with me)...

    However I just poked around at the quiz. If you select each of the "best" settings you end up with EXACTLY 1 planet. Something just doesn't seem right about this. I guess it is that I always hate "green" movements that don't bother with actual numbers (note, I am relatively green my self, I just don't like causes that base their campaigns on bad science). The quiz doesn't actualy say much of anything (the ranges are far to wide, and it leaves out alot of key things), and is really just there to get you to go "oh, that is bad, we should do something!"


    grumble. So I have a horbily scientific mind and can't stand things like this <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
  • AnarkiThreeXSixAnarkiThreeXSix x_x Join Date: 2003-12-31 Member: 24894Members
    IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 4.7 PLANETS?!

    D:

    Yeah, this thing obviously can't be too accurate, but eh.
  • Private_ColemanPrivate_Coleman PhD in Video Games Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7510Members
    FOOD 3.1
    MOBILITY 0.3
    SHELTER 0.6
    GOODS/SERVICES 0.7
    TOTAL FOOTPRINT 4.7

    IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.6 PLANETS. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/marine.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::marine::" border="0" alt="marine.gif" />
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1606204:date=Feb 13 2007, 01:47 PM:name=AnarkiThreeXSix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AnarkiThreeXSix @ Feb 13 2007, 01:47 PM) [snapback]1606204[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 4.7 PLANETS?!

    D:

    Yeah, this thing obviously can't be too accurate, but eh.
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    UR KILLIN MAH TEH ERTHS! DAI!

    Sure it may be inaccurate, but it gets you thinking, which I think is the real purpose more than anything else.
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    I think mine is so low because in my household there are 6 people so <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
  • Lt_PatchLt_Patch Join Date: 2005-02-07 Member: 40286Members
    FOOD 1.5
    MOBILITY 1.7
    SHELTER 0.9
    GOODS/SERVICES 2
    TOTAL FOOTPRINT 6.1

    IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 5.3 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

    WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

    IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3.4 PLANETS.


    Woot in ya face Greenpeace <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    I call tom foolery! I'm well aware that Canada isn't as efficient a footprint setting compared to many places in the rest of the world. However, this is not my fault, this is the fault of the people who refuse to live here for whatever reason. I live in a little box of a house, yet my footprint score is inflated arbitrarily by the fact that my property is Canadian. This survey would have you feel bad because you don't live in the smallest possible apartment in the first world, however, that's not even plausible because it would cost more for Canadian citizens to build small box apartments then it would for the houses because our property market is so sparse supply and demand would destroy the project.

    I'm also wondering how exactly it got it's food figures. The survey didn't ask me if I'm starving to death, yet it tells me I eat too much because I occasionally eat meat and I eat processed foods. I've worked in a processing plant, they generally MASSIVELY increase the efficiency of product usage and decrease the workload food production on sociaty. Eating processed food is not inefficient to the total food usage of sociaty. If anything, in todays sociaty you are improving the state of things by consuming mostly processed foods. You're decreasing food and energy waste in meal preparation.

    The biggest contributor to the problems of global overcrowding are our dependence on oil and the resistance to use of genetically modified crops and advanced farming methods to mass produce foodstuffs, as well as poverty largely breaking global capitalist fund flow and enterprise. The individual is virtually helpless to solve any of these problems, our donations do nothing unless large entities step up and see through that the flow of money is moving to the appropriate places to improve sociaty.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    The funny thing is people like Hitler would score super well because if everyone lived like them we wouldn't need even the one planet; with all the dead people, we'd have as many resources as we needed.
  • AbraAbra Would you kindly Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19870Members
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    I managed to score a whopping 0 on mobility because I walk practically everywhere. Don't have a bike/motorbike or car and it doesn't mention trains (which I only get a couple of times a year to go see my parents and friends down in Edinburgh). Oh well :3

    That said I'm 3.7 planets... I think I might've misunderstood the housing options though ¬.¬
  • TheSaviorTheSavior Join Date: 2003-10-14 Member: 21688Members
    CATEGORY ACRES
    FOOD 4.7
    MOBILITY 4.2
    SHELTER 5.7
    GOODS/SERVICES 6.7
    TOTAL FOOTPRINT 21



    IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

    WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.



    IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 4.8 PLANETS.

    Yay, 4.8 planets filled with small-town suburbians!
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1606220:date=Feb 13 2007, 02:26 PM:name=Swiftspear)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Swiftspear @ Feb 13 2007, 02:26 PM) [snapback]1606220[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I call tom foolery! I'm well aware that Canada isn't as efficient a footprint setting compared to many places in the rest of the world. However, this is not my fault, this is the fault of the people who refuse to live here for whatever reason. I live in a little box of a house, yet my footprint score is inflated arbitrarily by the fact that my property is Canadian. This survey would have you feel bad because you don't live in the smallest possible apartment in the first world, however, that's not even plausible because it would cost more for Canadian citizens to build small box apartments then it would for the houses because our property market is so sparse supply and demand would destroy the project.

    I'm also wondering how exactly it got it's food figures. The survey didn't ask me if I'm starving to death, yet it tells me I eat too much because I occasionally eat meat and I eat processed foods. I've worked in a processing plant, they generally MASSIVELY increase the efficiency of product usage and decrease the workload food production on sociaty. Eating processed food is not inefficient to the total food usage of sociaty. If anything, in todays sociaty you are improving the state of things by consuming mostly processed foods. You're decreasing food and energy waste in meal preparation.

    The biggest contributor to the problems of global overcrowding are our dependence on oil and the resistance to use of genetically modified crops and advanced farming methods to mass produce foodstuffs, as well as poverty largely breaking global capitalist fund flow and enterprise. The individual is virtually helpless to solve any of these problems, our donations do nothing unless large entities step up and see through that the flow of money is moving to the appropriate places to improve sociaty.
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    So you use like 30 earths right?
  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    That test is absolutely idiotic.

    "You catch a train for 50km a week? You take up 8 earths! Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr."
  • ByekaByeka Name changed from Freak83 Toronto Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14484Members, Constellation
    Why does everyone here need so little planets?

    CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES

    FOOD 4.2
    MOBILITY 1.3
    SHELTER 1.6
    GOODS/SERVICES 3
    TOTAL FOOTPRINT 10.1

    IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 8.8 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

    WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

    IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 5.6 PLANETS.

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    5.6 is the way to go. And grats Abra on your 9.1, I'm impressed <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
  • GreyFlcnGreyFlcn Join Date: 2006-12-19 Member: 59134Members, Constellation
    In general what we need to be sustainable is:
    1. Energy derived from the Sun
    2. Recycling of Material
    Enhanced by making materials less Toxic
    And making materials easier to break down into their component parts

    The way to do this is to create closed loop industrial systems.

    Basically try to make it so that "waste" is instead a resource for a different industrial process.

    Between the energy lost from second law of thermodynamics, and the energy gained from the sun.
    Should be possible to create perpetual growth.

    _

    Past that, all you have to worry about is maintaining natural and man made infrastructure.
  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    Keep it to your own thread please. We may as well make a dyson sphere and to hell with the excess rather than aim for 100% efficiency. The only things with 100% efficiency and effectiveness are my ice cold burns baby.
  • GreyFlcnGreyFlcn Join Date: 2006-12-19 Member: 59134Members, Constellation
    edited February 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1606263:date=Feb 14 2007, 01:05 AM:name=emperor_awesome)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(emperor_awesome @ Feb 14 2007, 01:05 AM) [snapback]1606263[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Keep it to your own thread please. We may as well make a dyson sphere and to hell with the excess rather than aim for 100% efficiency. The only things with 100% efficiency and effectiveness are my ice cold burns baby.
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    Not saying things have to be 100% effecient.
    Just saying that the energy lost merely needs to be counteracted by the energy gained from the sun.

    Gven an unlimited ammount of energy, you can do an unlimited ammount of material recycling.
    And for all practical purposes, the sun is an unlimited source of energy.

    _

    And that doesn't even neccisarily mean "Solar" energy.
    Hell, Oil comes from plant matter which was originally created given the energy of the Sun.
    Energy from the Wind, Weather, and Oceans are all driven by the Sun (And to a much less sence the Moon)
  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    You're talking about perpetual growth, unlimited energy and 100% efficiency. You even said "perpetual growth". You understand how ridiculous that is, right?
  • GreyFlcnGreyFlcn Join Date: 2006-12-19 Member: 59134Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1606268:date=Feb 14 2007, 01:30 AM:name=emperor_awesome)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(emperor_awesome @ Feb 14 2007, 01:30 AM) [snapback]1606268[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    You're talking about perpetual growth, unlimited energy and 100% efficiency. You even said "perpetual growth". You understand how ridiculous that is, right?
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    I never said 100% effeciency.
    However yes I did say unlimited energy.

    I think we can easily make the assumption that the human species will end before the Sun does.
    And even if it doesn't it won't be long after.

    So in the context of human existance, the Sun is an unlimited source of energy.
  • Termy58Termy58 Join Date: 2006-10-31 Member: 58102Members
    They didn't ask the good questions like do you turn off your lights at night or do you use conservatory lights.



    CATEGORY ACRES
    FOOD 3.7
    MOBILITY 1
    SHELTER 5.7
    GOODS/SERVICES 4.4
    TOTAL FOOTPRINT 15

    3.3 planets
  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1606270:date=Feb 14 2007, 12:33 PM:name=GreyFlcn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(GreyFlcn @ Feb 14 2007, 12:33 PM) [snapback]1606270[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I never said 100% effeciency.
    However yes I did say unlimited energy.

    I think we can easily make the assumption that the human species will end before the Sun does.
    And even if it doesn't it won't be long after.

    So in the context of human existance, the Sun is an unlimited source of energy.
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    To a medieval peasant, a nuclear power plant is an unlimited source of magical energy. If you're going to discuss scientific things, be scientific.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    I tried but got stuck on question number two (the questionnaire proper, not the introductory demographics stuff - I DO know the approximate size of my town) because there is no "don't know" option. I scrolled down and found two more questions I couldn't answer with certainty, so I just gave up.

    IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY PLANETS WE NEED BECAUSE NOBODY WOULD HAVE COMPLETED THIS TEST.
  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    Quanaut how can you have a footprint of 9 and only need ~2 planets

    I've got
    FOOD 3.1
    MOBILITY 0
    SHELTER 1.6
    GOODS/SERVICES 1.2
    TOTAL FOOTPRINT 5.9

    and still have 3.3
  • GreyFlcnGreyFlcn Join Date: 2006-12-19 Member: 59134Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1606281:date=Feb 14 2007, 01:59 AM:name=emperor_awesome)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(emperor_awesome @ Feb 14 2007, 01:59 AM) [snapback]1606281[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    To a medieval peasant, a nuclear power plant is an unlimited source of magical energy. If you're going to discuss scientific things, be scientific.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Fine enough.
    Given that the earth would no longer be inhabitable if the Sun stopped working.
    As long as we are going to live on earth, we can constantly take in energy from the sun.
  • A_Boojum_SnarkA_Boojum_Snark Join Date: 2003-09-07 Member: 20628Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1606201:date=Feb 13 2007, 03:43 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Feb 13 2007, 03:43 PM) [snapback]1606201[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    However I just poked around at the quiz. If you select each of the "best" settings you end up with EXACTLY 1 planet.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I felt like trying the opposite. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

    FOOD 6.9
    MOBILITY 28.9
    SHELTER 33.6
    GOODS/SERVICES 70.9
    TOTAL FOOTPRINT 140

    IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 31.6 PLANETS.


    My actual was 3.X something.
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