Battlestar Galactica *SPOILERS*
<div class="IPBDescription">Holy Crap Holy Crap Holy Crap Holy Crap</div>OH MY GOD. For all of you who live in a part of the world where the season finale won't premiere for a while are advised to leave. MAJOR spoilers!
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--coloro:black--><span style="color:black"><!--/coloro-->OH MY FREAKING GOD HOLY CRAP. I don't know about Tigh, Tori, Tyrol and Anders, but Starbuck has to be one of the Final Five. She just couldn't have survived otherwise. And what the hell does this mean? The other Cylons don't even know who the Final Five are, and what are the copies on Galactica going to do? And how have they been around so long?
Unless, of course, they AREN'T Cylons, but then, what are they?!
And I totally called Baltar getting off. And actually, I think he should. He really didn't do anything wrong, except for possibly corporate espionage (if you recall, Caprica Six claimed to be working for a company competing for a Colonial defense contract).
I mean... wow. And EARTH! Earth is there! But Earth at what point in time?
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--coloro:black--><span style="color:black"><!--/coloro-->OH MY FREAKING GOD HOLY CRAP. I don't know about Tigh, Tori, Tyrol and Anders, but Starbuck has to be one of the Final Five. She just couldn't have survived otherwise. And what the hell does this mean? The other Cylons don't even know who the Final Five are, and what are the copies on Galactica going to do? And how have they been around so long?
Unless, of course, they AREN'T Cylons, but then, what are they?!
And I totally called Baltar getting off. And actually, I think he should. He really didn't do anything wrong, except for possibly corporate espionage (if you recall, Caprica Six claimed to be working for a company competing for a Colonial defense contract).
I mean... wow. And EARTH! Earth is there! But Earth at what point in time?
My mind is blown.<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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And I totally called Baltar getting off. And actually, I think he should. He really didn't do anything wrong, except for possibly corporate espionage (if you recall, Caprica Six claimed to be working for a company competing for a Colonial defense contract).
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Don't you mean TREASON. Baltar is responsible for the deaths of Billions.
Also, "continued in 2008", weak.
As for Baltar getting off. Only Rosalyn saw him on Caprica with the Cylons. She can only assume what he did back there. She doesn't know the extent of his treason, and the trial was just on actions on New Caprica. Getting off for his actions there I almost agree with also, he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. And the speech from Adama on the stand was very well done too!
Overall, *loved* the episode. The show had gotten a bit old with all the political statements trying to be made. This one was just wonderful.
How was Baltar to know she was a Cylon? No one could have possibly guessed they looked human.
Yeah, but Baltar didn't conciously go, "I'm going to sell out my species". He thought he was just helping another company get a contract, and got to sleep with an attractive, intelligent women as a bonus.
How was Baltar to know she was a Cylon? No one could have possibly guessed they looked human.
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Well for starters: You just dont simply give every person you went to bed with your "Super Secret Planet Defense Codes" no matter how red their dress is!
edit: obvious from the point of view of the humans that is
Yeah, but Baltar didn't consciously go, "I'm going to sell out my species". He thought he was just helping another company get a contract, and got to sleep with an attractive, intelligent women as a bonus.
How was Baltar to know she was a Cylon? No one could have possibly guessed they looked human.
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Even if she wasn't a cylon, it's still treason. Even if nothing bad happened, still just as punishable by death.
On a different note. I thought for sure that after Gaeda gave the different depiction of the death list, that we'd find out that Baltar was just a little bit more off his rocker than we had previously thought.
Also, I don't buy into the 4 cylons bit. I think it's subliminal messaging from a hidden cylon saboteur.
Also, did anyone else notice that Roslyn was the only human in the shared vision between six, athena, hera, and herself. Kinda makes you rethink her cylon/human status.
Also, on a side tangent of that. If Roslyn is human, she's having a shared vision with a bunch of cylons. Probably explained in the story by her transfusion from hera. Which kind of makes you wonder what else the cylons can do at the microscopic level. They could just as easily be driving the group of 4 nuts from stuff like that. They probably screwed with them in the detention cells on new caprica. I can't remember if the president's assistant had anything to do with them, but I know the other 3 were resistance organizers, weren't they?
Well, at any rate we've got all year to figure out some crazy theories.
Lovely speech by Lee And imo, Baltar was never aware of the treason, until it happend in the very first episode, and has had to live with the guilt for quite some time. The speech that Lee gave about what happend on Caprica, the surrender, and all teh forgiveness of others was just spot on. And im ###### off at Felix for lying, Baltar didnt want to sign any death treaty. If he had refused, hed probably be killed, and then the decision would have falled on some other human. The Cylons were totally in control down there, and i feel they have been this whole time.
And yes ofc Starbuck is the final of the five, didnt you watch the episode when she "died"?
How did Loeben get so much into her head when they experienced her past?
Quite obvious if you ask me. And if shes not, ill be dissapointed for once of this show.
I truly hope Starbuck isn't back. She was so very annoying, I was almost happy she died. Perhaps Lee is hallucinating too? Why wouldn't any other pilot have noticed the Dradis contact then.
I don't know who the final Cylon is: maybe Thrace (she did come back from the dead after all, and visited Earth with a Viper despite it being many FTL jumps away), or (I hope) Roslin. She's also having those weird dreams and had a headache when they entered the Nebula.
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More to the point: Would you have slept with her? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
wow though, good episode.
On a bit of a tangent wasn't the leader of the cylons in the OLD BG called Baltar ("By your command!") Are the old and new series totally unrelated or is the current Baltar destined to be a traitor and cylon ruler. I'm thinking unrelated given the current form cylons have taken; they're not the submissive robotic underlings like they were in the 70s show.
e/ and I'm totally on Baltars side. He has been involved in an absurd number of unfortunate circumstances, not the least of which is having this woman in his head all the time. I highly doubt that given a choice he would betray humanity and I'm far more forgiving of a foolish misgiving than intent.
A common theme I have noticed on other forums is that those 4 are related/re-incarnated prophets of the past and will aide the path to earth somehow. Would make sense with them reaching one of the guideposts to earth that their prophecy suddenly 'activates'. Maybe Starbuck is one of them as well? Not too sure.
There hasn't been any progression to this unveiling until now, unlike all the other uncovery instances.
Here's another note about Starbuck - Didn't they destroy the "Respawn" ship or whatever it's called. How would she come back or be downloaded.
I don't know specifically whether the vipers have ftl, but seeing as how the raptors and cylon fighters have them, it's not far fetched.
And a mystical portal or something in the planet seems kind of... well, lame.
I think Starbuck is a Cylon. There is no way she could have survived her Viper exploding, and even if she did eject, she'd just fall into the planet.
I don't think Viper's have a FTL drive. A visit to the Battlestar Wiki confirms this.
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A wiki about a sci-fi show is not an authoritative resource.
I believe it has been confirmed that the 4 are indeed Cylons (the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylon_%28re-imagining%29#Other_humanoid_Cylon_models" target="_blank">wiki</a> confirms this,
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And yes, the Resurrection ship was destroyed in Season 2, but a new one has been rebuilt. You can notably notice one following the exodus from New Caprica, when Baltar is hostage on a BaseStar.
There's no proof that Starbuck died, but her ship DID explode, and her Viper doesn't have an FTL drive, capable of making multiple jumps to Earth and back to find the fleet.
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Yea I forgot about the camera shot where her hand is reaching for the ejector lever. I suppose that's an equally probable senario.
Why do season finales have to raise so many questions? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
Well, if she DID eject, the pressure would have crushed her, much like her metal-clad fighter did. And, even if somehow she did get out of there by some mysterious path and reached Earth, where did she get a spare Viper?
Why do season finales have to raise so many questions? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
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with a show like this the writers could make up any explaination for those questions though. There really isn't that much point speculating
But I think we're missing the big issue here: Why are Cylons fans of Bob Dylan?
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haha
Excellent season finale, as usual.