TWG XII: Postgame

Isamil · April 2007

<div class="IPBDescription">Humans Win</div>TWGXII! Where everything that can go wrong for the wolves, does go wrong for the wolves.

At first, I thought the wolves would do pretty well. Everyone was voting random.org, it's easy for wolves to fix that and kill who they want. Unfortunately, x5 tried to vote by PM and didn't get my warning that it wasn't valid. It was a downhill slope from there. The guardian and the psychic automatically formed an alliance, because Theslan knew that a wolf would not lynch another wolf. Ana got a wolf both times she seered.(and I think she was looking for humans both those times).
In conclusion, I didn't like this game. I made the rules to try and balance the game, and luck made it the worst wolf loss ever.

1.<span style="color:#FF0000">EMP Demon</span>(Lynched Day3)
2.<span style="color:#009900">Eternaly_Lost</span>(Survived)
3.<span style="color:#009900">Thansal</span>(Survived)
4.<span style="color:#009900">Nightstalker</span>(Survived)
5.<span style="color:#3366FF">Ana(Seer)</span>(Survived)
6.<span style="color:#009900">Xentor</span>(Survived)
7.<span style="color:#FF0000">The_x5</span>(Lynched Day1)
8.<span style="color:#FF0000">im_lost</span>(Lynched Day2)
9.<span style="color:#3366FF">Petco(Guardian)</span>(Survived)
10.<span style="color:#3366FF">Theslan(Psychic)</span>(Wolfed Night3)
11.<span style="color:#3366FF">Chocolate(Priest)</span>(Wolfed Night2)

Day1
the_x5 was lynched

Night2
Petco guarded Theslan
Ana seered im_lost
Wolves killed Chocolate

Day2
im_lost was lynched

Night3
Ana seered Emp_Demon
Petco guarded Eternaly_Lost
Wolves killed Theslan

Day3
Emp_Demon was lynched

MVP goes to <b>Thansal</b>, <b>Theslan </b>and <b>Ana</b>. Thansal acted as a mouthpiece for Ana who got 2 wolves in a row on seer, and was very vocal. Theslan got x5 killed and helped with im_lost, in addition to forming an alliance from the guardian from the start.

My notes-Night 1-Nothing happend during Night 1 because I feel it's unfair for someone to get wolfed before doing anything in the game

Day 1-this whole game with a bunch of random.org numbers is new to me. it seems very easy for the wolves to manipulate this. I don't see this ending well for humans.
now people are jumping on x5 for being the only person who hasn't voted yet. Hey, I do that all the time. I'm worried that the PM x5 sent me about wanting to kill theslan was actually his vote. I told him he had to post in the thread-might be too late.
And it was looking so good for the wolves, about to kill either the psychic or the guardian.
<im_lost> the lack of information for day 1 should be another wolf advantage for this game - And it almost was...

Night 2-Theslan PMed me and told me he was scared of dieing because the wolves would revenge kill. I find that kind of unlikely, but x5 did want to kill theslan in his PM...
This game is looking more interesting than the people in the channel were giving it credit for.
Theslan> I think I will reveal Petco I'm the psychic.
guardian psychic alliance. so much for my more balanced game.

x5 pmed me(4 times) and was annoyed. I feel kind of bad for the guy. He was playing an active wolf game(however stupid his plan was) with Chocolate.Still, I did give him a days warning that he needed to post in the thread.

The wolves intend to kill Chocolate. I can't say I blame them-if he goes public with x5's PM, Emp_Demon would probably be lynched. Unfortunantly, I won't be able to test out the priest idea becasue of this.

Ana just seered im_lost. I've told the wolves about this.
Poor wolves. They're going to need to do something big to get out of this.

Day 2
"2) Should the Priest Rez Chocolate now?"-Thansal
hahahahaahahahahahahahaha
Thansal's out to kill the psychic and guardian.

Ana has told Thansal she's the seer. Quote from chat log
<Thansal> TBH I would check EMP
<Thansal> he is a good player
<Ana> He is
<Thansal> and so far is rather unwolfy
<Thansal> every one else is new/wolfy/or I don't know em
<Ana> I think I'll check EMP this night, and the next night I'll go for Petco

im_lost gets instalynched.
I wonder, if I had let the day go on for 2 days(as usual) instead of 3, how else this might have gone. e_lost had the most votes at t=2 days. im_lost would have lived. Still, the seer would know the rest of the wolves anyway.

Night 3
Emp got seered, as expected. Theslan's going to die-which is unfortunate, I was just talking to him. He seemed so confident.

gg
Per Freak83 mandate, I will be running the elections for TWGXIII. Send an email to isamil at gmail.guess if you want to apply with the player size, wolf count, and rules. I'd warn you though, the activity levels for this game are only dropping, and this was an 11 player game.
Applications will be due Monday, 9 PM est.

Eternaly_Lost · April 2007

TWG, where wolfs lose every time.

We need better wolfs.

I plan on attempting a host, just need to bias my game a little( or a lot ).

And I need a good mini game, that bring the people in fast.

Thansal · April 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eternaly_Lost @ Apr 13 2007, 11:48 PM) [snapback]1620866[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
TWG, where wolfs lose every time.

We need better wolfs.

I plan on attempting a host, just need to bias my game a little( or a lot ).

And I need a good mini game, that bring the people in fast.
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And less lucky humans.

oh, and less trusting seers.

Eternaly_Lost · April 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Apr 13 2007, 11:49 PM) [snapback]1620867[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
And less lucky humans.

oh, and less trusting seers.
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I only trusted thy seer on thy last night.

Still, I think we need some sort of a wolf seering shield they can move from wolf to wolf.
If they have it they are immune to seering.

hmm, that just game me a good minigame idea.

Now to build the map.

im_lost · April 2007

Anyone want to try running a game without a seer? It would mean that wolves have to be identified by their behavior during the game, rather than by someone that can get guaranteed knowledge. The psychic can still figure out what's going on, if any wolves die to begin with. I guess no one's up for that yet, but by the 16th or 17th straight human win, maybe we can try it. (And yes, I'm annoyed at being checked early on two games in a row when I was a wolf, because they thought I was a human.)

Thansal · April 2007

not trustworthy, trusting.

Ana came to me based on nothing more than trusting me.

Aldaris talked to TMM b/c he was gona die otherwise.

Eternaly_Lost · April 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Apr 13 2007, 11:57 PM) [snapback]1620870[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Aldaris talked to TMM b/c he was gona die otherwise.
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I kinda was responsible for that.

Anyway, Is it required to know how many of each role, and what roles are in the game before hand?
I was thinking, just give a player count.

Only the wolfs know how many wolfs.
Only roles know that they are in fact in the game.

That would be interesting.

im_lost · April 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eternaly_Lost @ Apr 13 2007, 09:00 PM) [snapback]1620871[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
I kinda was responsible for that.

Anyway, Is it required to know how many of each role, and what roles are in the game before hand?
I was thinking, just give a player count.

Only the wolfs know how many wolfs.
Only roles know that they are in fact in the game.

That would be interesting.
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You would need to list the possible roles in the game, and a minimum/maximum number that there could be. Also, list the minimum and maximum number of wolves. Otherwise, I think it would be fine.

Petco · April 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(im_lost @ Apr 13 2007, 08:56 PM) [snapback]1620869[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Anyone want to try running a game without a seer?
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Also, how about a game with two seers except the seers both seer themselves as wolves?

The real wolves could take advantage of that, and the only way to confirm who is a seer and who else is a wolf is with a psychic.

EMP_Demon · April 2007

I have just one request.

Can Thansal and Theslan <b><i>PLEASE</i></b> change their avatar/sigs back? It's annoying the hell out of me.

im_lost · April 2007

Someone in IRC mentioned having a werewolf that the seer would see as human. That would work out reasonably, I think. Unless it's the wolf that gets themself killed off for inactivity, like in the last two games.

Ana · April 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Apr 14 2007, 03:57 AM) [snapback]1620870[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>Ana came to me based on nothing more than trusting me.</div>
I am an overly trusting and lucky noob. :D

Honestly, I just went to and seered the people I respected most in this game, how they play, how they interact, ect. Really, it just amazed me when I seered two wolves in two nights. o.o; Though I wish I could've had longer to team up with more people(and seer them). But overall, I'm glad the game ended with a human win.

But in the end, good job everyone. Wolves and humans alike put up good fights~

Thansal · April 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EMP_Demon @ Apr 14 2007, 12:29 AM) [snapback]1620875[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
I have just one request.

Can Thansal and Theslan <b><i>PLEASE</i></b> change their avatar/sigs back? It's annoying the hell out of me.
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Heh, Fixed, and Theslan will fix his when he logs back on.

Chocolate · April 2007

I am sad that i died <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />.

I had a suspicion that x5 was a wolf after this PM i got the day before I died.

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I believe I've found a wolf so that you know. But his target is not us. If my informant is correct Theslan is going to die tonight. Unless that is if my informant is a wolf but then I will likely die then.

So in short that will prove:
If you see me die, then know that the informant (EMP_Demon) was a wolf.
If you see Thelsan die, then know that the wolf is Xentor. Definitively.

This makes sense to me regarding this:
<b>Chocolate</b>: Yep, cool, the start of my first TWG!
<b>x5</b>: Me too. Need an ally?
<b>Chocolate</b>: Ok!
<b>Xentor</b>: Careful, guys... This game revolves around trust. Who you can trust, who you can't trust, and who trusts you.

Think about it. A wolf <i>has to</i> create mistrust and paranoia to survive. To be successful they must start a witch hunt. All we have to do is keep our wits and work as a team.

I hope my informant is not a wolf as much as I hope I can trust you. My point in sharing this is that there is some way in this game that I can hopefully and quickly prove to you that I'm trustworthy. We need to form alliances quickly so we don't have accusations flying at each other. I'm taking the risk to trust you. Worst case scenerio for me is if either (or both >< ) him or you are a wolves and you kill me early. Which would be funny even though it'd be so short. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

I've been reading though the previous games and just as many if not more people die to lynching from false accusation as wolves picking off people. So we must unite or die. Remember the wolves have more buffs this game. Every other game the humans win. So it'll be much harder for us this time because wolves are going to try to break the winning streak.

Try to say alive. Best of luck. I hope you read this in time.

<b><span style="color:#cc0000">x5</span></b><span style="color:#cc0000">
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My response I was cooking up was as follows:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>
You make good arguments, but I'm kinda confused with this
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> If my informant is correct Theslan is going to die tonight. Unless that is if my informant is a wolf but then I will likely die then.

So in short that will prove:
If you see me die, then know that the informant (EMP_Demon) was a wolf.
If you see Thelsan die, then know that the wolf is Xentor. Definitively.
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How would your informant know that Thelsan is going to die if Xentor is a wolf? The only way I see that the informant could possiblily know this information is if he was recieving info from a wolf.

How is Xentor definitvely a wolf if Theslan dies? How does Xentor gets into that situation anyway? If anything, it seems more likely if you or EMP_Demon would be a wolf than him.

If EMP_Demon is a wolf, you could die, but I see it as unlikely. If I were him I would take out an unknown than someone who I feeded infomation to. It would probably cause more confusion and would help keep myself secret.

Also, you seem to be very eger to form an aliance... which makes me suspicious. I am very good at picking out key phrases which are lies and selling points. I am not a wolf, I'm not the seerer either, I admit it.
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I was thinking of posting on the fourm, but I and he died before I could come up with a conclusion.

PS: My response was still in the process of creation when he died, so I stopped polishing it up.

PPS: I never got the chance to use my priest ability <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

PPPS: heh, I died from being attacked when trying to make a cake <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />, a mix of how I would say I would die <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(im_lost @ Apr 7 2007, 05:55 PM) [snapback]1619500[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Isamil, be prepared to write a story where any of us could end up dying, and then leaving it at a cliffhanger. </div>
If I would die, I would probably get:
1. Attacked by a random number generator
2. Get cooked into a cake

Nothing much else to say, I've got little to go on.
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Anyway, besides that ramble above, good game.... veyr short for me, but I'll see you guys next game. I hope I see the signup fourm before it starts.
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im_lost · April 2007

Chocolate, I told x5 the same stuff in the wolf forum (about the fact that his statements didn't make any sense). The only advice I could give him at that point is to not drag me and EMP Demon down with him. We thought there might be a chance that you would overlook the blatant inconsistencies since you were new, but not enough of a chance that we could leave you alive.

Theslan · April 2007

Done and fixed. I'm back to my normal self again.

This game is really against the wolf.

X5 died from Petco and I mainly trying to save myself (and not lose the psychic role so early). It ends up that X5 was wolf, and I had some solid info. Petco could be trusted... though I had no idea whether Petco was a guardian until after the game.

Thansal comes to me with info of a second wolf. Since I was the only one (other than Petco) knew about the first wolf's death, I figured it was enough a risk to find out. With confirmation with a wolf kill on day 2, I was about 100% sure Thansal was human, if not seer. I revealed I was in contact with psychic and told him X5 was a wolf.

... In the end, I wish I would survived, but looking at the votes, it seems if I did, it might not have convinced people to vote on EMP Demon.

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Seriously, the wolves' luck is AWFUL this round. 2/2 seering were wolves. Psychic and guardian takes out the first wolf. I can't think of another TWG game that it's been that skewed.

Nightstalker · April 2007

Its actually rather amusing. I really didnt pay a huge amount of attention to this game, as I did in my first, and I managed to survive. Sorry guys for not being more active, but life, the universe and everything happened to me the past few weeks <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />. Anyways, GG and see yall in the next TWG. Oh speaking of which, Im wondering if its possible for two people to host TWG at the same time..... ie....Me and E_lost. We want to cohost it, meaning both of us create and run the game, but I want to make sure thats allowable before we start making plans..

Chocolate · April 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nightstalker @ Apr 14 2007, 09:40 PM) [snapback]1621047[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'> Its actually rather amusing. I really didnt pay a huge amount of attention to this game, as I did in my first, and I managed to survive. Sorry guys for not being more active, but life, the universe and everything happened to me the past few weeks <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> . Anyways, GG and see yall in the next TWG. Oh speaking of which, Im wondering if its possible for two people to host TWG at the same time..... ie....Me and E_lost. We want to cohost it, meaning both of us create and run the game, but I want to make sure thats allowable before we start making plans.. </div>
I think it should be possible, why wouldn't it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(im_lost @ Apr 14 2007, 03:57 PM) [snapback]1620995[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'> Chocolate, I told x5 the same stuff in the wolf forum (about the fact that his statements didn't make any sense). The only advice I could give him at that point is to not drag me and EMP Demon down with him. We thought there might be a chance that you would overlook the blatant inconsistencies since you were new, but not enough of a chance that we could leave you alive. </div>
So I died because of a mistake? Awww <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

im_lost · April 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nightstalker @ Apr 14 2007, 06:40 PM) [snapback]1621047[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Oh speaking of which, Im wondering if its possible for two people to host TWG at the same time..... ie....Me and E_lost. We want to cohost it, meaning both of us create and run the game, but I want to make sure thats allowable before we start making plans..
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I think that would be perfectly fine. You would need to have just one of you for players to contact about stuff, to avoid confusion. Post a game idea, and I'm sure you would get more feedback.

the_x5 · April 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(im_lost @ Apr 13 2007, 11:56 PM) [snapback]1620869[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Anyone want to try running a game without a seer? It would mean that wolves have to be identified by their behavior during the game, rather than by someone that can get guaranteed knowledge. The psychic can still figure out what's going on, if any wolves die to begin with. I guess no one's up for that yet, but by the 16th or 17th straight human win, maybe we can try it. (And yes, I'm annoyed at being checked early on two games in a row when I was a wolf, because they thought I was a human.)
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<span style="color:#33CC00">Yes</span> that's a good idea! I want to try it again see as my first game didn't go well at all... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> I had worked out strategies and everything and after I was done putting out Easter eggs Saturday night (in unusually cold weather I might add) for my little sisters and then spending most of the day with the family I check up expecting my vote to be counted and find out that the board had turned against me. Ah well, it's just a game and that's how you learn. Removing seer would make the game a lot more challenging.

I had tried to concoct the most convincing white lie I could tell to a new player who knew me and might trust me. My thoughts in that PM were that if I could infiltrate the human network that could be a huge edge and our best chance to find out who the seer was exactly or even get a lynch mob going in our favor.

Chocolate · April 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ Apr 16 2007, 02:09 AM) [snapback]1621210[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>

<span style="color:#33cc00">Yes</span> that's a good idea! I want to try it again see as my first game didn't go well at all... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /> I had worked out strategies and everything and after I was done putting out Easter eggs Saturday night (in unusually cold weather I might add) for my little sisters and then spending most of the day with the family I check up expecting my vote to be counted and find out that the board had turned against me. Ah well, it's just a game and that's how you learn. Removing seer would make the game a lot more challenging.

I had tried to concoct the most convincing white lie I could tell to a new player who knew me and might trust me. My thoughts in that PM were that if I could infiltrate the human network that could be a huge edge and our best chance to find out who the seer was exactly or even get a lynch mob going in our favor. </div>
heh, I figured you were a wolf after that PM you sent me <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />. I spent hours of pouring my thoughts on that 1 PM.

TWG XII: Postgame

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