Book Excerpt and Review - Sex In Video Games

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<div class="IPBDescription">gamasutra book review</div>Dated from december, I don't know why I missed that <a href="http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20061212/brathwaite_01.shtml" target="_blank">Gamasutra </a>article.

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Following the book review is the first chapter of Brathwaite's book, "Defining Sex," in which she introduces the topic of sex in video games, and categorizes it by its usage, its range and its purpose. Brathwaite also looks at sex in the industry outside of games themselves, including a history of E3's infamous "booth babes," sex as used in game advertising, and unintended sex in games, be it emergent, modded, or hacked
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  • SmoodCrooznSmoodCroozn Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22310Members
    Can you sum those 15 pages for those of us who can't read?
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Finally, something that brings together my two loves: outdated articles and Browser ICE posting something from Gamasutra, <i>again</i>.
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1628783:date=May 23 2007, 05:26 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ May 23 2007, 05:26 PM) [snapback]1628783[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Finally, something that brings together my two loves: outdated articles and Browser ICE posting something from Gamasutra, <i>again</i>.
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    I want to marry you.
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    He's already married.

    To not knowing anything about Star Wars.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1628875:date=May 24 2007, 12:23 AM:name=X_Stickman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(X_Stickman @ May 24 2007, 12:23 AM) [snapback]1628875[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    He's already married.

    To not knowing anything about Star Wars.
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    I only married her to cover up that you and her are having an affair, remember? Her parents don't approve of you so she and I had a sham marriage so you two could live happily forever.
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    Double Burn + Reversal + Kickflip
  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Is the thesis of the article that sex sells in video games because most videogamers are big starwars nerds who can't score?
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    Even if you do get booty, sex all over the place sells.
  • Browser_ICEBrowser_ICE Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6944Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1628783:date=May 23 2007, 05:26 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ May 23 2007, 05:26 PM) [snapback]1628783[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Finally, something that brings together my two loves: outdated articles and Browser ICE posting something from Gamasutra, <i>again</i>.
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    LOL !
  • SloppyKissesSloppyKisses omgawd a furreh&#33; Virginia Join Date: 2003-07-05 Member: 17942Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1628949:date=May 24 2007, 10:25 AM:name=puzl)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(puzl @ May 24 2007, 10:25 AM) [snapback]1628949[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Is the thesis of the article that sex sells in video games because most videogamers are big starwars nerds who can't score?
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    that would be my guess
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1628949:date=May 24 2007, 03:25 PM:name=puzl)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(puzl @ May 24 2007, 03:25 PM) [snapback]1628949[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Is the thesis of the article that sex sells in video games because most videogamers are big starwars nerds who can't score?
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    Big Star Wars nerds don't score... however video gamers do.
  • KainTSAKainTSA Join Date: 2005-05-30 Member: 52831Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1629230:date=May 25 2007, 12:27 PM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thaldarin @ May 25 2007, 12:27 PM) [snapback]1629230[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Big Star Wars nerds don't score... however video gamers do.
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    If video gamers didn't score we would be in for a serious population reduction soon. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> I don't know many guys in my generation that don't play games at least casually.

    As for the article: sex sells. Period. As I'm driving along the road am I more likely to look at the billboard with a can of soda, or the billboard with a can of soda held by a half naked woman? It doesn't matter that I have a women that already takes care of that area, I still find my eyeballs drawn to the second add.
  • PetcoPetco Join Date: 2003-07-27 Member: 18478Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1629236:date=May 25 2007, 10:01 AM:name=KainTSA)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KainTSA @ May 25 2007, 10:01 AM) [snapback]1629236[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    If video gamers didn't score we would be in for a serious population reduction soon. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /> I don't know many guys in my generation that don't play games at least casually.

    As for the article: sex sells. Period. As I'm driving along the road am I more likely to look at the billboard with a can of soda, or the billboard with a can of soda held by a half naked woman? It doesn't matter that I have a women that already takes care of that area, I still find my eyeballs drawn to the second add.
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    Indeed. Saying "It's just used in video games" is silly. Actually, video games use sex as an advertisement the least.
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1629290:date=May 25 2007, 06:52 PM:name=Petco)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Petco @ May 25 2007, 06:52 PM) [snapback]1629290[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Indeed. Saying "It's just used in video games" is silly. Actually, video games use sex as an advertisement the least.
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    Depends on the game and venue but in general I'd agree with that.
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    Adverts for kinky new hot toys in counter-strike would sell! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
  • BlooBloo Village Fool of UWF Join Date: 2006-11-09 Member: 58497Members
    Far to much text for the Bloo to read...

    Still, videogames with sexual content does attract most types of gamers.
  • Soylent_greenSoylent_green Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11220Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1629236:date=May 25 2007, 12:01 PM:name=KainTSA)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KainTSA @ May 25 2007, 12:01 PM) [snapback]1629236[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As for the article: sex sells. Period. As I'm driving along the road am I more likely to look at the billboard with a can of soda, or the billboard with a can of soda held by a half naked woman? It doesn't matter that I have a women that already takes care of that area, I still find my eyeballs drawn to the second add.
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    I'm not so sure about that. You may be looking at the commercial but are you thinking "that's one delicious looking soda" or "that's one hot looking guy/gal"?
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1629677:date=May 28 2007, 12:13 PM:name=Soylent_green)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Soylent_green @ May 28 2007, 12:13 PM) [snapback]1629677[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I'm not so sure about that. You may be looking at the commercial but are you thinking "that's one delicious looking soda" or "that's one hot looking guy/gal"?
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    90% of commercials don't try to get you to go out and buy that soda right now. They just want the word "Pepsi" to be in your head so next time you're in the store and you're looking at soda, something is going to say "Pepsi" and you go ahead and buy that.
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1629721:date=May 28 2007, 06:49 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ May 28 2007, 06:49 PM) [snapback]1629721[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    90% of commercials don't try to get you to go out and buy that soda right now. They just want the word "Pepsi" to be in your head so next time you're in the store and you're looking at soda, something is going to say "Pepsi" and you go ahead and buy that.
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    Too bad they advertised with Britney Spears. Pepsi probably has nasty skank sweat in it.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    If that's what makes it so good, then BRING ON THE SKANK!
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1629729:date=May 28 2007, 07:38 PM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ May 28 2007, 07:38 PM) [snapback]1629729[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    If that's what makes it so good, then BRING ON THE SKANK!
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    Cola suuuuuucks. Root beer my son.
  • Soylent_greenSoylent_green Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11220Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1629721:date=May 28 2007, 08:49 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ May 28 2007, 08:49 PM) [snapback]1629721[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    90% of commercials don't try to get you to go out and buy that soda right now. They just want the word "Pepsi" to be in your head so next time you're in the store and you're looking at soda, something is going to say "Pepsi" and you go ahead and buy that.
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    Sounds more like they're trying to make you think of soft drinks the next time you peruse the adult section. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />

    There's also a rather large segment of the population with an aversion to being marketed to; I wonder if it's even a net benefit once your product is already well established and well known.
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1629726:date=May 29 2007, 03:20 AM:name=Testament)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Testament @ May 29 2007, 03:20 AM) [snapback]1629726[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Too bad they advertised with Britney Spears. Pepsi probably has nasty skank sweat in it.
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    OH NO YOU DIN'T!
  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1629309:date=May 25 2007, 07:59 PM:name=the_x5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ May 25 2007, 07:59 PM) [snapback]1629309[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Depends on the game and venue but in general I'd agree with that.
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    MMMh, gaming gloves.
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1629742:date=May 29 2007, 12:40 AM:name=Soylent_green)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Soylent_green @ May 29 2007, 12:40 AM) [snapback]1629742[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Sounds more like they're trying to make you think of soft drinks the next time you peruse the adult section. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />

    There's also a rather large segment of the population with an aversion to being marketed to; I wonder if it's even a net benefit once your product is already well established and well known.
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    I have always wondered that my self. Like coke/pepsi, 2 of the largest brand names in the US, and sellign a product (Cola in general) that is apparently a staple for a good percentage of Americans (Personaly can't stand the stuff, I like water).

    The explenation that is always given is that they want Pepsi/Coke to be on your mind when you are buying soda, and I am sure that it probably works on me, if I was going to order a cola I would order Coke, not Pepsi, and I am sure there are people that are reversed. I know if I am ordering a Lemon Lime soda I will always say Sprite, but will take any others.

    But does this matter?

    If you are in a resturant you likely do not have a choice of sodas. If you are in a supermarket you might have a choice, but at that point most poeple have a prefferance based on taste. So what does mind share get them?

    For other things I am willing to bet that it works.

    If I am looking for eyedrops I look for Visene (and then buy generic).
    If I am looking for serious headache pills I will look for Exedrine (and then buy generic).
    And I am willign to bet that there are enough peopel out there that will just stop and buy the name that they know.

    But I still don't get it for the huge name companies like Coke/Pepsi.
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1629726:date=May 29 2007, 03:20 AM:name=Testament)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Testament @ May 29 2007, 03:20 AM) [snapback]1629726[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Too bad they advertised with Britney Spears. Pepsi probably has nasty skank sweat in it.
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    Before she shaved her hair off? I would have.
  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1629814:date=May 29 2007, 01:55 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ May 29 2007, 01:55 PM) [snapback]1629814[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I have always wondered that my self. Like coke/pepsi, 2 of the largest brand names in the US, and sellign a product (Cola in general) that is apparently a staple for a good percentage of Americans (Personaly can't stand the stuff, I like water).

    The explenation that is always given is that they want Pepsi/Coke to be on your mind when you are buying soda, and I am sure that it probably works on me, if I was going to order a cola I would order Coke, not Pepsi, and I am sure there are people that are reversed. I know if I am ordering a Lemon Lime soda I will always say Sprite, but will take any others.

    But does this matter?

    If you are in a resturant you likely do not have a choice of sodas. If you are in a supermarket you might have a choice, but at that point most poeple have a prefferance based on taste. So what does mind share get them?

    For other things I am willing to bet that it works.

    If I am looking for eyedrops I look for Visene (and then buy generic).
    If I am looking for serious headache pills I will look for Exedrine (and then buy generic).
    And I am willign to bet that there are enough peopel out there that will just stop and buy the name that they know.

    But I still don't get it for the huge name companies like Coke/Pepsi.
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    <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/32409" target="_blank">Proof that Pepsi ads work</a>
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    Because there is so much money for Pepsi to make in the Xiao Bu market
  • KainTSAKainTSA Join Date: 2005-05-30 Member: 52831Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1629814:date=May 29 2007, 01:55 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ May 29 2007, 01:55 PM) [snapback]1629814[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    But I still don't get it for the huge name companies like Coke/Pepsi.
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    Yeah I agree about this. I mean, chocolate M&Ms get advertized a good amount. M&Ms! Who doesn't know about them? But still, they must know what they are doing. Sadly, advertizing does have a strong effect on some people. Allow me to relate this disturbing story:

    I was driving with one of my friends when an add for Wendys came on. She immediately said "oh my god I need some of that, stop at the next one". That's some serious advertizing return!

    She obviously already knew about and liked Wendys but the add just made her think about it more.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Something like M&Ms is advertising both to get you to choose M&Ms over other candy or to get you to buy M&Ms when you pass them in the store. You might think you're making rational decisions about this but really the only reason these companies spend billions on advertisements is because they <i>can</i> and <i>do</i> influence what you do. Everyone likes to believe they're above silly stuff like Britney Spears dancing around with a Pepsi but unless you're some magic statistical anomaly, those commercials are affecting you as much as they are everyone else.
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