Manhunt 2 Banned

SmoodCrooznSmoodCroozn Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22310Members
<div class="IPBDescription">No killing for teh Brits</div><a href="http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=10615" target="_blank">http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=10615</a>

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wii and PS2 game Manhunt 2 with the "Rejected" rating. This means that the game cannot be supplied to the UK.

The BBFC have rejected the game due to it's concept - the focus on the game is on stalking and brutal slaying, and the game encourages people to kill in the most unpleasant way possible. The BBFC claim that releasing the game, even with an 18 certificate, "would involve a range of unjustifiable harm risks, to both adults and minors".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

UPDATE: Also with Ireland

Censorship at its finest.
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  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    I thought the US was the worst (first-world) country when it came to crazy censorship...
  • 404NotFound404NotFound Join Date: 2006-10-31 Member: 58103Members
    The US in itself can't really censor.. the government body can't. It has methods to do similar things, but the government itself can't censor much of anything.
  • KungFuDiscoMonkeyKungFuDiscoMonkey Creator of ns_altair 日本福岡県 Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14555Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos
    Not too surprising. Rockstar seems to have always liked to see how much they could push things so that they could get more publicity for their games before they even come out.
  • OmegamanOmegaman Join Date: 2004-01-11 Member: 25239Members
    Acutally, despite my Libertarian self, I don't find myself too offended or opposed to this.

    I remember the first Manhunt had some <i>really</i> disturbing death animations you could pull off and I didn't really enjoy the way the gore was presented. It's not something I would want to play.
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    edited June 2007
    Manhunt was boring. Eye-shank with broken glass was a great kill though.
  • Paranoia2MBParanoia2MB Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7832Members
    ^^^ lol imo, but whatever. To each their own. I think i've been desensitized to blood and gore when I was like....5. Or whenever doom first came out. I think I was 8.

    <!--quoteo(post=1634679:date=Jun 19 2007, 07:48 PM:name=SmoodCroozn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SmoodCroozn @ Jun 19 2007, 07:48 PM) [snapback]1634679[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    <a href="http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=10615" target="_blank">http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=10615</a>
    UPDATE: Also with Ireland

    Nazis at their finest.
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    Fixed.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    The game does sound kinda sick, in the Wii version you use the Wiimote and Nunchuck to manipulate the character's hands to rip off the testicles of your victim. Really grisly but awesome, hopefully there's children in the game too. Haw haw.
  • ScytheScythe Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver
    It seems these games exist for no purpose other than throwing fuel on the violence-in-video-games fire. They don't seem particularly fun.

    That said, this game banning is dumb really. There are dozens of movies that're just as bad if not worse.

    --Scythe--
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    edited June 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1634689:date=Jun 19 2007, 06:25 PM:name=Omegaman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Omegaman @ Jun 19 2007, 06:25 PM) [snapback]1634689[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Acutally, despite my Libertarian self, I don't find myself too offended or opposed to this.

    I remember the first Manhunt had some <i>really</i> disturbing death animations you could pull off and I didn't really enjoy the way the gore was presented. It's not something I would want to play.
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    If you're a Libertarian then I'm a fundamentalist Christian. The whole point of Libertarianism is that the government stays out of your life as much as possible. Their being able to control what <i>games</i> you play, in the privacy of your own home, is more Orwellian than it is Libertarian.

    And DiscoZombie, the US has more flaws than anyone can list, but if you think it's anywhere close to being the worst first-world country as far as censorship goes, you're way off-target. I live in the United States, and I can go on any forum I want and say

    <b>if I were able to kill George Bush, ###### Cheney, and the Supreme Court in an explosion, Pelosi would become president and be able to appoint a whole new Supreme Court and that would be <i>awesome</i></b>

    and nothing bad is going to happen to me. I could probably show up outside the White House screaming it and they'd just send a security guard to shoo me away. If I wrote it on a sign I might be detained for a day or something, I dunno how that works, but I'm not going to disappear (unless I look Arab in which case I get to find out what Guantanamo's like). It's going to be a long, long time before the US ever tells adults that they cannot play a video game no matter what.

    Edit: Richard Cheney, dear forum censors. Richard Cheney.
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    Pff, Manhunt is creative, but on the gore factor... it's weak. If I could show you some of the evidence left from <i>real</i> criminal murders and brutal rapes I've seen from a friend of mine who works with the <i>real</i> NYPD CSI... Wow. Most of you little pretenders who say you are desensitized or some crap like that would probably be puking your guts out. There <i>are</i> evil people unfortunately. But on the other hand, MOST people out there are neutral or good. There exists a balance of good and evil in the world. A few evil people are balanced by the overwhelming numbers of people who are truely good at heart. The real enemies of good are not the nanoscopically small portion of evil people, but rather <i>ignorant apathy</i> and <i>corrupting greed</i>. In fact, a lot of evil in our world is created as a byproduct of those failings. So stay open-minded, stay informed, recognize greed in youself and avoid it, and respect others. If that happened, wow would humanity ever be changed.

    Just my two quite shiny cents.

    I generally despise any censorship, but I will intentionally fail to defend this game from censorship. I oppose censorship, but I can't justify defending a game like this from my lack of interest in violence for violence's sake. I can admire it for creativity as an art, but it's really just another sucky title feeding money out of the dull principle that violence sells.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1634701:date=Jun 19 2007, 07:05 PM:name=the_x5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ Jun 19 2007, 07:05 PM) [snapback]1634701[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I generally despise any censorship, but I will intentionally fail to defend this game from censorship. I oppose censorship, but I can't justify defending a game like this from my lack of interest in violence for violence's sake. I can admire it for creativity as an art, but it's really just another sucky title feeding money out of the dull principle that violence sells.
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    Free speech means nothing if we only support it for those whose views we do not find offensive.
  • OmegamanOmegaman Join Date: 2004-01-11 Member: 25239Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1634703:date=Jun 19 2007, 09:16 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jun 19 2007, 09:16 PM) [snapback]1634703[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Free speech means nothing if we only support it for those whose views we do not find offensive.
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    I agree. I think what he (and I) was trying convey is "While I support this game's right to, you know, exist and stuff, I don't really like supporting it."
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1634711:date=Jun 19 2007, 07:26 PM:name=Omegaman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Omegaman @ Jun 19 2007, 07:26 PM) [snapback]1634711[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I agree. I think what he (and I) was trying convey is "While I support this game's right to, you know, exist and stuff, I don't really like supporting it."
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    Yeah, but if you just ignore any challenges to stuff you find objectionable and only defend those you agree with, then you're not really supporting free speech for everyone, you're only supporting it for yourself, which isn't admirable at all because the entire world supports free speech for themselves.
  • DrSuredeathDrSuredeath Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8217Members
    I find free speech stupid. Ban them all trouble makers, the church and everyone that found these offensive that is.
  • SmoodCrooznSmoodCroozn Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22310Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1634693:date=Jun 19 2007, 06:33 PM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Jun 19 2007, 06:33 PM) [snapback]1634693[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    The game does sound kinda sick, in the Wii version you use the Wiimote and Nunchuck to manipulate the character's hands to rip off the testicles of your victim. Really grisly but awesome, hopefully there's children in the game too. Haw haw.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->We should all rip our testicles in protest.
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    edited June 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1634742:date=Jun 20 2007, 12:36 AM:name=SmoodCroozn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SmoodCroozn @ Jun 20 2007, 12:36 AM) [snapback]1634742[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We should all rip our testicles in protest.
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    I'll watch you do that.

    No...

    I'll PAY you to do that.

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    <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    I wouldn't watch that. I wouldn't pay a man to do that.

    You're weird.
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    im all for freedom of speech, but i wouldnt mind if some certain individuals (not from this thread though, necessarily! just some people in my life) were officially told to shut the ###### up every once in a while, because nothing productive comes out of them

    <!--quoteo(post=1634700:date=Jun 19 2007, 08:58 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jun 19 2007, 08:58 PM) [snapback]1634700[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    -- if you think it's anywhere close to being the worst first-world country as far as censorship goes, you're way off-target. I live in the United States, and I can go on any forum I want and say

    <b>if I were able to kill George Bush, ###### Cheney, and the Supreme Court in an explosion, Pelosi would become president and be able to appoint a whole new Supreme Court and that would be <i>awesome</i></b>

    and nothing bad is going to happen to me.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    then name a first-world country where something bad would happen to you if you said that. oh, wait.

    the united states is hypocritical to the point of being absurd. the perfect example is tv: swear gods are filtered, even the mouth of the person whos saying it is blurred. everything that could possibly relate to sexuality is also blurred without a second thought, because dear god we cant have our children watching naked skin. but then, with violence, its a whole different story. theres violent tv shows for all ages, from cartoon network stuff to god knows what kind of late-night decapitation highlight reels.

    i really dont understand the deal with that, but if its violence you (as a nation) get off on then be my guests, though it is kinda creepy


    <!--quoteo(post=1634692:date=Jun 19 2007, 08:31 PM:name=Paranoia2MB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Paranoia2MB @ Jun 19 2007, 08:31 PM) [snapback]1634692[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=1634692:date=Jun 19 2007, 07:48 PM:name=SmoodCroozn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SmoodCroozn @ Jun 19 2007, 07:48 PM) [snapback]1634692[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    <a href="http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=10615" target="_blank">http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=10615</a>
    UPDATE: Also with Ireland

    Nazis at their finest.
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    Fixed.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    from encyclopedia dramatica:

    ""As a thread grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

    There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress."
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1634752:date=Jun 19 2007, 10:10 PM:name=TOmekki)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TOmekki @ Jun 19 2007, 10:10 PM) [snapback]1634752[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    the united states is hypocritical to the point of being absurd. the perfect example is tv: swear gods are filtered, even the mouth of the person whos saying it is blurred. everything that could possibly relate to sexuality is also blurred without a second thought, because dear god we cant have our children watching naked skin. but then, with violence, its a whole different story. theres violent tv shows for all ages, from cartoon network stuff to god knows what kind of late-night decapitation highlight reels.
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    And in lots of European countries it's the opposite: violence is less acceptable and nakedness moreso. They're different cultures.
  • ShzarShzar Join Date: 2003-09-21 Member: 21098Members, Constellation
    I saw some talk on another forum about Manhunt 2 possibly getting an "Adults Only" rating in North America courtesy of the ESRB. I think that if this were to happen, Rockstar would remove some of the most violent bits to reduce it back to M. Do you think a pulp-reduced version of the game might come out for the UK only? I know tenacious gamers in Britain will still find a way to play the game, but I wonder if Rockstar is willing to let some sales go for the sake of gore. Thoughts?
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1634742:date=Jun 19 2007, 10:36 PM:name=SmoodCroozn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SmoodCroozn @ Jun 19 2007, 10:36 PM) [snapback]1634742[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    We should all rip our testicles in protest.
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    Yes! Let's all get girlfriends! Wiminz beware!

    <!--quoteo(post=1634744:date=Jun 19 2007, 10:44 PM:name=Haze)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Haze @ Jun 19 2007, 10:44 PM) [snapback]1634744[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I wouldn't watch that. I wouldn't pay a man to do that.

    You're weird.
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    Me either, but it's funnay.
  • GoldenprizeGoldenprize Join Date: 2006-11-05 Member: 58379Members
    edited June 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1634679:date=Jun 20 2007, 02:48 AM:name=SmoodCroozn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SmoodCroozn @ Jun 20 2007, 02:48 AM) [snapback]1634679[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    <a href="http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=10615" target="_blank">http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=10615</a>
    UPDATE: Also with Ireland
    Also with Germyn and the rest of the World except iraq and USofA

    Censorship at its finest.
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    maybe you get a version who you can kill plush bunnys with cotton <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
  • IconoclastIconoclast Join Date: 2004-06-23 Member: 29481Members, Constellation
    Lobbying groups and corporate money do the censoring in the USA, just ask Bill Hicks.
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1634753:date=Jun 20 2007, 12:13 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Jun 20 2007, 12:13 AM) [snapback]1634753[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    And in lots of European countries it's the opposite: violence is less acceptable and nakedness moreso. They're different cultures.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    no it isnt the opposite. both violence and nudity (in media) are acceptable in most european countries. but in america, nudity is prohibited while violence is endorsed.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    I wonder if this ban will creep over to canada... Not that it would be hard to get it imported if I decide I still want it... which I doubt I will.
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    Allow me to be one of the few people who is actually disappointed at this. I enjoyed Manhunt. I found the gory deaths useful, they discouraged me from playing recklessly. One day I'll get around to playing it on hard (You're denied use of the extremely useful radar, forced to instead rely on audio cues).
    My only real complaint with the game was that it became less interesting once you became used to the brutality.

    I'd personally recommend Manhunt as a game to be played with the lights out and the volume up.
  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1634742:date=Jun 20 2007, 06:36 AM:name=SmoodCroozn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SmoodCroozn @ Jun 20 2007, 06:36 AM) [snapback]1634742[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    We should all rip our testicles in protest.
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    Ok, so manhunt2 gets banned for the player being able to rip someones testicles.


    Hmmmkay.
    Why did they not ban Never Winter Nights?

    <img src="http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/030219.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    Because that was an example script for the NWN editor.
  • StarchyStarchy Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15727Members, Constellation
    If people wish to kill each other after playing this game, let them....I believe it's called Natural Selection?
  • KainTSAKainTSA Join Date: 2005-05-30 Member: 52831Members, Constellation
    So I'm a little confused on the law in the UK. If someone was to obtain the game in one manner or another, and they were caught playing it, what would happen? Is just the sale of the game banned? But playing it is ok?

    BTW this thread should not be about US versus UK. Censorship is censorship. You can say you don't agree with the US's view on what should be censored, but we're talking about the UK here. It seems like even if a thread has something to do with a problem with another country, someone has to bring the US in anyway. Grow up.
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