<!--quoteo(post=1649618:date=Sep 14 2007, 11:41 PM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Sep 14 2007, 11:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1649618"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Valve's a business, not a charity. You're getting upset that they want people to play their games and purchase their products. You might as well cry because companies release demos. You know, those "cheap ploys" to get people to buy their product. A free copy of HL2 and access to all 3rd party mods is pretty nice.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think he's upset that Valve's trying to make money, he just doesn't like all these people berating him (and me) for being mean to Valve when they're doing us this awesome favor of giving us HL2 and Ep1 all over again. Valve's doing it for them, and I have no problem with that, but I'm tired of people telling me it's for <i>me</i> and that I should be grateful.
<!--quoteo(post=1649627:date=Sep 15 2007, 12:35 AM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Sep 15 2007, 12:35 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1649627"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't get it, you get another copy of a game to give to a friend. What's the problem? You're not paying for HL2 or Ep1, they come free with the box.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think there's anything more for me to say about the subject that I haven't already said, really.
A demo is the definition of free because when you have acquired it, you still own the same amount of money as you did before. 'Free' and 'bundled with' are not the same. HL2 and Ep.1 are NOT free, because there is no way for me to legally acquire them without spending money. Just stop calling them free, okay? They're not free. There is no way to get them for free.
You could always try to find a sucker who'll buy HL2 + Ep.1 off you for 15 bucks though. 30 dollars for Ep.2, TF2 and Portal sounds like a mighty fine deal to me.
Ill say what I said before again, if HL2 and EP1 didn't come with it, would you still be pissed off? Really consider this.
I just think that people have this notion in their heads that if HL2 and EP1 weren't included, that the bundle would be cheaper, which may or may not be true (Im betting on it still being the same price. $45 for 3 games is a pretty good deal...)
[WHO]ThemYou can call me DaveJoin Date: 2002-12-11Member: 10593Members, Constellation
Hey look buddy. I'm an Engineer. That means I solve problems. Not problems like "What is free?" because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy. I solve practical problems......
LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
<!--quoteo(post=1649663:date=Sep 15 2007, 06:38 AM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Sep 15 2007, 06:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1649663"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->A demo is the definition of free because when you have acquired it, you still own the same amount of money as you did before. 'Free' and 'bundled with' are not the same. HL2 and Ep.1 are NOT free, because there is no way for me to legally acquire them without spending money. Just stop calling them free, okay? They're not free. There is no way to get them for free.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> You delve pretty deep into your ass for that huh? What about the people that have received HL2 and Ep1 from friends who bought the Orange Box. That's free.
<!--quoteo(post=1649693:date=Sep 15 2007, 11:42 AM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Sep 15 2007, 11:42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1649693"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ill say what I said before again, if HL2 and EP1 didn't come with it, would you still be pissed off? Really consider this.
I just think that people have this notion in their heads that if HL2 and EP1 weren't included, that the bundle would be cheaper, which may or may not be true (Im betting on it still being the same price. $45 for 3 games is a pretty good deal...)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly; from what I recall the Black Box was going to be $50, and Orange Box was going to be $60. So you're not losing anything, just gaining.
<!--quoteo(post=1649722:date=Sep 15 2007, 10:48 PM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Sep 15 2007, 10:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1649722"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You delve pretty deep into your ass for that huh? What about the people that have received HL2 and Ep1 from friends who bought the Orange Box. That's free.[...]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm assuming you had to delve pretty deep into YOUR ass to come up with that insult, since it seems to be what you do your thinking AND talking with. There's no way to get free pizza. Sure, I could get my friend to buy a pizza and give it to me. That's free pizza FOR ME. But it's still not a free pizza for everyone involved, because he spent money to buy it with. There Is. No. Free. HL2. Or. Ep.1. Just like there's no free toy with your breakfast cereal. YOU STILL HAVE TO BUY THE BREAKFAST CEREAL.
<!--quoteo(post=1649724:date=Sep 15 2007, 05:02 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Sep 15 2007, 05:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1649724"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm assuming you had to delve pretty deep into YOUR ass to come up with that insult, since it seems to be what you do your thinking AND talking with. There's no way to get free pizza. Sure, I could get my friend to buy a pizza and give it to me. That's free pizza FOR ME. But it's still not a free pizza for everyone involved, because he spent money to buy it with. There Is. No. Free. HL2. Or. Ep.1. Just like there's no free toy with your breakfast cereal. YOU STILL HAVE TO BUY THE BREAKFAST CEREAL.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you are saying our usage of a word is wrong? What the hell does that matter? Fine, HL2 and EP1 are a "Bonus" for buying the orange box. How about that?
<!--quoteo(post=1649694:date=Sep 15 2007, 01:47 PM:name=T_h_e_m)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(T_h_e_m @ Sep 15 2007, 01:47 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1649694"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hey look buddy. I'm an Engineer. That means I solve problems. Not problems like "What is free?" because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy. I solve practical problems......<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1649727:date=Sep 15 2007, 11:13 PM:name=KungFuDiscoMonkey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KungFuDiscoMonkey @ Sep 15 2007, 11:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1649727"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Them wins this thread.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Although I believe the quote is "What is beauty?" Could be wrong though, I'm not so good at listening to english.
Edit: Goddamn, I had just grown used to this post-merging feature, and now it's gone again and I keep double-posting.
<!--quoteo(post=1649730:date=Sep 15 2007, 04:15 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Sep 15 2007, 04:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1649730"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Although I believe the quote is "What is beauty?" Could be wrong though, I'm not so good at listening to english.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sometimes we alter quotes to fit our situation. [WHO]Them did this.
LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
<!--quoteo(post=1649728:date=Sep 15 2007, 03:14 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Sep 15 2007, 03:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1649728"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->"Bonus" is fully acceptable to me. Call me anal if you want, I don't care. But it's part of a purchase. It's not free.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I see what you're aiming at, while something is free to you, indirectly money was spent somewhere. It's splitting hairs, but you're right.
<!--quoteo(post=1649799:date=Sep 16 2007, 12:06 AM:name=BobTheJanitor)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BobTheJanitor @ Sep 16 2007, 12:06 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1649799"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think we're overlooking the important questions here. Questions like: why does my copy of peggle extreme crash whenever I try to open it?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because you touch yourself at night? We need more information about your computer to diagnose the problem. Perhaps you need upgraded drivers?
No worries, I already had the full version of Peggle from a while back. It's quite an enjoyable little game. I'm sure come tomorrow I'll have no need for other distractions as I try to balance my regular dose of WoW with playing the TF2 beta until my eyes bleed.
<!--quoteo(post=1649972:date=Sep 17 2007, 07:32 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Sep 17 2007, 07:32 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1649972"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So for anyone wondering, Valve says the game will be unlocked sometime in the afternoon, Pacific time. That's GMT -8.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah, crap, that makes what? 20:00 in Paris time? Have to wait another 11 hours... this is great... well at least I can have some sleep, coming from nightshift and all it should do be well.
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Quaunaunt: I'd say 9pm your time<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Does this mean if I buy the Orange box when I get home I will be able to TF2 Beta also?
<!--quoteo(post=1650024:date=Sep 17 2007, 09:46 AM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Sep 17 2007, 09:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1650024"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Does this mean if I buy the Orange box when I get home I will be able to TF2 Beta also?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't know what kind of conception of reality you have, but in the one the rest of us share, we have no way of knowing when you get home without you telling us.
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I don't think he's upset that Valve's trying to make money, he just doesn't like all these people berating him (and me) for being mean to Valve when they're doing us this awesome favor of giving us HL2 and Ep1 all over again. Valve's doing it for them, and I have no problem with that, but I'm tired of people telling me it's for <i>me</i> and that I should be grateful.
I don't think there's anything more for me to say about the subject that I haven't already said, really.
You could always try to find a sucker who'll buy HL2 + Ep.1 off you for 15 bucks though. 30 dollars for Ep.2, TF2 and Portal sounds like a mighty fine deal to me.
I just think that people have this notion in their heads that if HL2 and EP1 weren't included, that the bundle would be cheaper, which may or may not be true (Im betting on it still being the same price. $45 for 3 games is a pretty good deal...)
You delve pretty deep into your ass for that huh? What about the people that have received HL2 and Ep1 from friends who bought the Orange Box. That's free.
<!--quoteo(post=1649693:date=Sep 15 2007, 11:42 AM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Sep 15 2007, 11:42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1649693"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ill say what I said before again, if HL2 and EP1 didn't come with it, would you still be pissed off? Really consider this.
I just think that people have this notion in their heads that if HL2 and EP1 weren't included, that the bundle would be cheaper, which may or may not be true (Im betting on it still being the same price. $45 for 3 games is a pretty good deal...)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly; from what I recall the Black Box was going to be $50, and Orange Box was going to be $60. So you're not losing anything, just gaining.
I'm assuming you had to delve pretty deep into YOUR ass to come up with that insult, since it seems to be what you do your thinking AND talking with. There's no way to get free pizza. Sure, I could get my friend to buy a pizza and give it to me. That's free pizza FOR ME. But it's still not a free pizza for everyone involved, because he spent money to buy it with. There Is. No. Free. HL2. Or. Ep.1. Just like there's no free toy with your breakfast cereal. YOU STILL HAVE TO BUY THE BREAKFAST CEREAL.
So you are saying our usage of a word is wrong? What the hell does that matter? Fine, HL2 and EP1 are a "Bonus" for buying the orange box. How about that?
Them wins this thread.
Although I believe the quote is "What is beauty?" Could be wrong though, I'm not so good at listening to english.
Edit: Goddamn, I had just grown used to this post-merging feature, and now it's gone again and I keep double-posting.
Sometimes we alter quotes to fit our situation. [WHO]Them did this.
*blink*
Ouch. I DO believe I just missed the blindingly obvious. I am well and truly owned. D:
I see what you're aiming at, while something is free to you, indirectly money was spent somewhere. It's splitting hairs, but you're right.
I agree.
Because you touch yourself at night? We need more information about your computer to diagnose the problem. Perhaps you need upgraded drivers?
The proper spelling is XTRM!, the exclamation point is mandatory.
Ah, crap, that makes what? 20:00 in Paris time? Have to wait another 11 hours... this is great... well at least I can have some sleep, coming from nightshift and all it should do be well.
Quaunaunt: I'd say 9pm your time
Quaunaunt: HL2 was 6pm PST
Quaunaunt: Ep1 was 6:48pm PST
Does this mean if I buy the Orange box when I get home I will be able to TF2 Beta also?
I don't know what kind of conception of reality you have, but in the one the rest of us share, we have no way of knowing when you get home without you telling us.