<!--quoteo(post=1652158:date=Sep 25 2007, 09:12 PM:name=sgt.waffles)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sgt.waffles @ Sep 25 2007, 09:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1652158"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I agree with what Tycho said, get rid of the physics card and buy yourself some nice ram :3
and dude... PS, floppy disks are so outdated.... not many people use em anymore because they can get <b>viruses</b> and sh**, and they may have upgraded the content of how much they can hold, but as i remember, they can't hold alot of data.... My computer doesnt even have a floppy drive....<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> What.. what?
Anyway, ditch your floppy drive and spend the money on a big USB thumb drive, it will accomplish the same things.
I got an conroe E6420 this week, which is known for it's OC potential, even on air. <b><!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->INTEL STOCK COOLER S|_|CKS BTW<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b>), a friend of mine is able to magically run at low temps with it, but mine is not able to be installed properly and it's on as tight as it can be, yet does not get temps on idle below 44 degrees on stock settings. Anyway it is the replacement for my 3800+venice due to fried mobo. I'll be getting a better heatsink this week...
Also aren't the Quad cores not all that good a choice currently, due to lower per cpu 1333FSB speeds and low bandwidth for all that power of four cores --> cost more, but aren't faster in other words overated?
And if ya want to OC you do have to get memory in the range of OCZ/Corsair/Kingston to be able to actually run them at higher speeds (stable that is) And they aren't all that expensive atm...
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited September 2007
allright, perhaps a correction: My Intel stock fan/heatsink sucks <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> locked in place as tight as can be and using artic silver should give me better temps, but this mounting is wacky to say the least, I mean plastic pins... Cmon where's my metal clamp and backplate for pressure like any normal heatsink known to man...
Still getting another one though, since this one is also not flat at the base. There is a slight convex bulging inwards on the contact surface. Might be factory error, I guess...
Gah, don't put Artic Silver on it. It comes with some thermal paste stuff preapplied. You probably gunked up the connection between the two. Clean it all off with isopryl alcohol and reapply the Arctic Silver.
SidCorwid of the FreeJoin Date: 2003-01-28Member: 12903Members, Constellation
The reason why I don't go with Alienware is because I can build a better system for cheaper. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
And yes - the floppy is handy for the spiffy 8 - in - 1 memory card reader. And that Ram is quite good - read some good reviews on it.
I have Anandtech and Tom's Hardware specs and reviews on the equipment in this machine - it's good, but expensive. Besides that, what's wrong? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
I've put about a month of research into this (The first config was $5500 and had a useless $300 "gaming" network card). I've checked compatibility, reviews.. and the price isn't all that bad.. considering it's Canadian. (Wait.. Canadian dollar is more than the US now. Damn). I'm just checking to see if anyone has any advice on the *current* setup that I have. Like the advice about the Intel heatsinks helped me a lot! (:
<!--quoteo(post=1652203:date=Sep 26 2007, 12:34 AM:name=Sid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sid @ Sep 26 2007, 12:34 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1652203"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The reason why I don't go with Alienware is because I can build a better system for cheaper. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
And yes - the floppy is handy for the spiffy 8 - in - 1 memory card reader. And that Ram is quite good - read some good reviews on it.
I have Anandtech and Tom's Hardware specs and reviews on the equipment in this machine - it's good, but expensive. Besides that, what's wrong? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
I've put about a month of research into this (The first config was $5500 and had a useless $300 "gaming" network card). I've checked compatibility, reviews.. and the price isn't all that bad.. considering it's Canadian. (<b>Wait.. Canadian dollar is more than the US now. Damn</b>). I'm just checking to see if anyone has any advice on the *current* setup that I have. Like the advice about the Intel heatsinks helped me a lot! (:<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually I believe they are equal.
For about the fourth time, what's wrong with your system is that you can build a slightly (and I mean slightly) less powerful system for a substantially reduced sum, a sum so large that it will enable you to upgrade your system to a vastly more powerful version in less than a year when this option is available to you, and then again later on.
Kouji_SanSr. Hινε UÏкεεÏεг - EUPT DeputyThe NetherlandsJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited September 2007
<!--quoteo(post=1652192:date=Sep 26 2007, 05:47 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Sep 26 2007, 05:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1652192"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Gah, don't put Artic Silver on it. It comes with some thermal paste stuff preapplied. You probably gunked up the connection between the two. Clean it all off with isopryl alcohol and reapply the Arctic Silver.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Of course I first cleaned of the stuff already on it! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
And to add to your latest post, Overclocking the slightly less powerfull computer will make it on par with the way more expensive one. Also simply because the faster the cores get with the same core design, the less you can overclock it. A lower cost cpu (with good stepping and a little but of luck) can outclass any higher rated and way mroe expensive cpu.
And even if ya don't overclock and prefer to run at stock speeds, You are not able to see any difference IRL applications, probably only in benchmark programs, which don't say much for IRL application anyway...
either buy now and go for top of the line while spending a crapload of money for a very small visible increase in performance or go for a way less expensive one while keeping your upgrade potential alive lateron down the line (motherboard).
SLI vs single card: I still think it's just plain stupid to pay >2 times the money for, what is it, 20 or30 % increase in performance if you're lucky? It does sound nostalgic btw compared to another failure (3dfx? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />)
SidCorwid of the FreeJoin Date: 2003-01-28Member: 12903Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1652213:date=Sep 25 2007, 11:20 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Sep 25 2007, 11:20 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1652213"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->For about the fourth time, what's wrong with your system is that you can build a slightly (and I mean slightly) less powerful system for a substantially reduced sum, a sum so large that it will enable you to upgrade your system to a vastly more powerful version in less than a year when this option is available to you, and then again later on.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I made a decision.
I am not going with quad SLi with nVidia's new Geforce 8950 GX2 being released this spring. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> Just not worth it.
<!--quoteo(post=1652283:date=Sep 26 2007, 09:54 AM:name=Sid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sid @ Sep 26 2007, 09:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1652283"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, I made a decision.
I am not going with quad SLi with nVidia's new Geforce 8950 GX2 being released this spring. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> Just not worth it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did you drop that accursed PhysX (God, I hate companies and their 'super-fly' names for products.) card?
SidCorwid of the FreeJoin Date: 2003-01-28Member: 12903Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1652310:date=Sep 26 2007, 10:55 AM:name=cshank4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cshank4 @ Sep 26 2007, 10:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1652310"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Did you drop that accursed PhysX (God, I hate companies and their 'super-fly' names for products.) card?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have decided to drop the physics card. I'm still pondering if I want to go with the Q6700 and a single GTX/Ultra.
<!--quoteo(post=1652315:date=Sep 26 2007, 01:21 PM:name=Sid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sid @ Sep 26 2007, 01:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1652315"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have decided to drop the physics card. I'm still pondering if I want to go with the Q6700 and a single GTX/Ultra.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1652315:date=Sep 26 2007, 10:21 AM:name=Sid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sid @ Sep 26 2007, 10:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1652315"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have decided to drop the physics card. I'm still pondering if I want to go with the Q6700 and a single GTX/Ultra.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ill make it easy for you. Get a Q6600(look around for a G0 stepping revision), a single GTX, and a tuniq tower 120 heatsink. Overclock FSB and go 3ghz+ on air.
The Ultra compared to a GTX will be about a 10fps increase. Not worth the money since you can overclock the GTX to ultra speeds. With EVGA lifetime warranty which includes overclocking, you don't need to worry about it dying early.
Some sites will say if you they have G0 stepping CPU's in stock. I suggest you buy it from them.
SidCorwid of the FreeJoin Date: 2003-01-28Member: 12903Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1652333:date=Sep 26 2007, 01:05 PM:name=Warrior)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Warrior @ Sep 26 2007, 01:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1652333"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ill make it easy for you. Get a Q6600(look around for a G0 stepping revision), a single GTX, and a tuniq tower 120 heatsink. Overclock FSB and go 3ghz+ on air.
The Ultra compared to a GTX will be about a 10fps increase. Not worth the money since you can overclock the GTX to ultra speeds. With EVGA lifetime warranty which includes overclocking, you don't need to worry about it dying early.
Some sites will say if you they have G0 stepping CPU's in stock. I suggest you buy it from them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I found a GTX that's cheaper than the GTX I have in the cofig and quicker than a stock Ultra. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
schkorpioI can mspaintJoin Date: 2003-05-23Member: 16635Members
good choice dropping the agiea card, can always get one later - i think i remember hearing there will be a line of their cards in 3-6 months, that actually help performance rather than just give you extra stuff and slow you down.
Kouji OMG yes I thought my mobo was going to curve inwards and snap when i put my q6600 heatsink on! i made sure to screw my mobo in as fast as I could. It really needs a back plate of somekind and legs shouldnt be plastic - custom heatsink for any of the new intel cpus isnt a bad idea at this moment! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
I got q6600 for these reasons - it was about $20 cheaper than a E6750, and only about 2-10% slower (from the benchmarks I've seen)- I kinda figured I wouldnt notice 5 frames missing when its running a game at like 80+ frames. but also once quad actually does take off it'll out perform the E6750. So basically I figured I was getting 2 extra cores at the price of 5 frames a second for now. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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and dude... PS, floppy disks are so outdated.... not many people use em anymore because they can get <b>viruses</b> and sh**, and they may have upgraded the content of how much they can hold, but as i remember, they can't hold alot of data.... My computer doesnt even have a floppy drive....<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What.. what?
Anyway, ditch your floppy drive and spend the money on a big USB thumb drive, it will accomplish the same things.
1.38MB (~1,44mb) <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
instaltion should be on a clean drive and the only way to acomplish that is by using floppies (or a bootable usb drive, but that does not always work)
basically floppies are oldschool dependable <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
I got an conroe E6420 this week, which is known for it's OC potential, even on air. <b><!--coloro:red--><span style="color:red"><!--/coloro-->INTEL STOCK COOLER S|_|CKS BTW<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--></b>), a friend of mine is able to magically run at low temps with it, but mine is not able to be installed properly and it's on as tight as it can be, yet does not get temps on idle below 44 degrees on stock settings. Anyway it is the replacement for my 3800+venice due to fried mobo. I'll be getting a better heatsink this week...
Also aren't the Quad cores not all that good a choice currently, due to lower per cpu 1333FSB speeds and low bandwidth for all that power of four cores --> cost more, but aren't faster in other words overated?
And if ya want to OC you do have to get memory in the range of OCZ/Corsair/Kingston to be able to actually run them at higher speeds (stable that is) And they aren't all that expensive atm...
Not the second one, actually.
Still getting another one though, since this one is also not flat at the base. There is a slight convex bulging inwards on the contact surface. Might be factory error, I guess...
And yes - the floppy is handy for the spiffy 8 - in - 1 memory card reader. And that Ram is quite good - read some good reviews on it.
I have Anandtech and Tom's Hardware specs and reviews on the equipment in this machine - it's good, but expensive. Besides that, what's wrong? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
I've put about a month of research into this (The first config was $5500 and had a useless $300 "gaming" network card). I've checked compatibility, reviews.. and the price isn't all that bad.. considering it's Canadian. (Wait.. Canadian dollar is more than the US now. Damn). I'm just checking to see if anyone has any advice on the *current* setup that I have. Like the advice about the Intel heatsinks helped me a lot! (:
And yes - the floppy is handy for the spiffy 8 - in - 1 memory card reader. And that Ram is quite good - read some good reviews on it.
I have Anandtech and Tom's Hardware specs and reviews on the equipment in this machine - it's good, but expensive. Besides that, what's wrong? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
I've put about a month of research into this (The first config was $5500 and had a useless $300 "gaming" network card). I've checked compatibility, reviews.. and the price isn't all that bad.. considering it's Canadian. (<b>Wait.. Canadian dollar is more than the US now. Damn</b>). I'm just checking to see if anyone has any advice on the *current* setup that I have. Like the advice about the Intel heatsinks helped me a lot! (:<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually I believe they are equal.
Of course I first cleaned of the stuff already on it! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
And to add to your latest post, Overclocking the slightly less powerfull computer will make it on par with the way more expensive one. Also simply because the faster the cores get with the same core design, the less you can overclock it. A lower cost cpu (with good stepping and a little but of luck) can outclass any higher rated and way mroe expensive cpu.
And even if ya don't overclock and prefer to run at stock speeds, You are not able to see any difference IRL applications, probably only in benchmark programs, which don't say much for IRL application anyway...
either buy now and go for top of the line while spending a crapload of money for a very small visible increase in performance or go for a way less expensive one while keeping your upgrade potential alive lateron down the line (motherboard).
SLI vs single card: I still think it's just plain stupid to pay >2 times the money for, what is it, 20 or30 % increase in performance if you're lucky? It does sound nostalgic btw compared to another failure (3dfx? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />)
Well, I made a decision.
I am not going with quad SLi with nVidia's new Geforce 8950 GX2 being released this spring. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> Just not worth it.
I am not going with quad SLi with nVidia's new Geforce 8950 GX2 being released this spring. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> Just not worth it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did you drop that accursed PhysX (God, I hate companies and their 'super-fly' names for products.) card?
I have decided to drop the physics card. I'm still pondering if I want to go with the Q6700 and a single GTX/Ultra.
<img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Natural Selection forums. Smartening your consumer-sense since... sometime.
Ill make it easy for you. Get a Q6600(look around for a G0 stepping revision), a single GTX, and a tuniq tower 120 heatsink. Overclock FSB and go 3ghz+ on air.
The Ultra compared to a GTX will be about a 10fps increase. Not worth the money since you can overclock the GTX to ultra speeds. With EVGA lifetime warranty which includes overclocking, you don't need to worry about it dying early.
Some sites will say if you they have G0 stepping CPU's in stock. I suggest you buy it from them.
The Ultra compared to a GTX will be about a 10fps increase. Not worth the money since you can overclock the GTX to ultra speeds. With EVGA lifetime warranty which includes overclocking, you don't need to worry about it dying early.
Some sites will say if you they have G0 stepping CPU's in stock. I suggest you buy it from them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I found a GTX that's cheaper than the GTX I have in the cofig and quicker than a stock Ultra. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Kouji OMG yes I thought my mobo was going to curve inwards and snap when i put my q6600 heatsink on! i made sure to screw my mobo in as fast as I could. It really needs a back plate of somekind and legs shouldnt be plastic - custom heatsink for any of the new intel cpus isnt a bad idea at this moment! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
I got q6600 for these reasons - it was about $20 cheaper than a E6750, and only about 2-10% slower (from the benchmarks I've seen)- I kinda figured I wouldnt notice 5 frames missing when its running a game at like 80+ frames. but also once quad actually does take off it'll out perform the E6750. So basically I figured I was getting 2 extra cores at the price of 5 frames a second for now. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
Make sure your mobo has the type of connections you need for your drives!
Having to spend an extra 20 dollars on a IDE-SATA converter is no fun!
(*grumbles and waits to use his new computer.*)