Remove motion tracking/scent of fear.
Kasyk
Join Date: 2007-11-12 Member: 62892Members
Join Date: 2007-11-12 Member: 62892Members
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For motion tracking I guess it would be nice to have it disabled when an alien is within infested areas (dynamic infestation interfearing) so the aliens have an edge on their home turf. And for outside the infested area they could still have stealth and SC.
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The 5-10m was intentional, perhaps the motion tracking shouldn't work at super close range.
Well if you have LOS you don't see MT on that enemy AFAIK. Having MT limited to non infested areas and/or a certain range of marines sounds like a good idea. It forces the comm to advance/scout to know alien movements. It would essentially work like SoF does now in that respect.
As for scent of fear there was an idea posted a while back about skulks smelling/seeing a trail left by rines. The trail would fade slowly over time. So they dont just get these red circles but instead can see any routes taken by rines through an area in the last ?secs. so if they wanted to track a rine they could just follow the scent.
keep parasite though, s
It could be incorporated into my idea but it might just make it too useless then.
"As for scent of fear there was an idea posted a while back about skulks smelling/seeing a trail left by rines. The trail would fade slowly over time. So they dont just get these red circles but instead can see any routes taken by rines through an area in the last ?secs. so if they wanted to track a rine they could just follow the scent."
Old SoF had a trail of sprites behind the marines which faded after a while. It turned out to be less efficient then the other SC abilities so it was scrapped.
"keep parasite though, s"
Yes, skulks are scouts and they should be able to reward their team with targeting marines.
The thing with MT is once you all are in position then you spring a trap. MT can play to alien advantage. You wait for them to rush that gorge, and because of MT they are lazy they won't look up above the door. Bang, you have one dead squad of marines.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think removing MT/SoF will encourage rambos. It would make it harder to rambo on the marines side(since he's more likely to get ambushed). On the kahraa side I agree a total removal of MT SoF would remove some baiting tactics. It would strengthen teamwork ambushing since the marines may guess a skulk will drop down from above, but they'll be less likely to see the second skulk coming from the vent behind them.
Dnd as a marine solo why walk it when you can bunny hop around jump 8 feet out through a door frame the kharaa have no way of gaugeing your current velocity and or movement speed.
Its just going to be smith and Neos jumping head long around corners at each other trying to duke it out. But with out a matrix mode.
Why cos it would be more profitable for those with the skill and scripts and everyone will want to be like them.
Dnd as a marine solo why walk it when you can bunny hop around jump 8 feet out through a door frame the kharaa have no way of gaugeing your current velocity and or movement speed.
Its just going to be smith and Neos jumping head long around corners at each other trying to duke it out. But with out a matrix mode.
Why cos it would be more profitable for those with the skill and scripts and everyone will want to be like them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's ridiculous. Marines survive just fine at least half the game without MT and aliens without SoF for most of the game. By your logic every game that doesn't have built in wall hax would degenerate into "Smiths and Neos".
Thats the what i think. If you know where the aliens are you can try somethin against them. Allthough you know where they are alien mobility is incredible until you get jetpack or some well placed phasegates.
Well the thing also is you see something... huhm its only one alien i got hmg and ha rush it! dang onos!!!
I would agree if you can exactly see uhh there is a onos and hunt him down all over....
Basicly, what that means instead of how motion tracking and parasite is now, you have them in levels. So, you might get the cheap but only nominally helpful version of motion tracking, if you continue to research it at increasing costs, like weapons or armor or more chambers, you get the next level, it increases its cost but it increases its effectiveness as well. I suggest that there could be as many levels as you want, depending on what kinds of increments in effectiveness and cost the team is willing to incur. Plus you could have branching specialties that cost extra.
For example:
Cost = 0 Level 0 Motion Tracking - Line of Sight only
Cost = x Level 1 Motion Tracking - Commander sees passive ping blips at intervals
Cost = 2x Level 2 Motion Tracking - Marines see blips on map that is HUD map that can distract from what is in front of them
Cost = 3x Level 3 Motion Tracking - Marines see small HUD like SvenPa made a picture of
+ Branch Tech - Scanner Sweep Upgrades (Cost = Levelx(3x/2)^2) Pre-Requisite: Level 1 Weapons
Cost = 4x Level 4 Motion Tracking - Commander can see blips constantly
Cost = 5x Level 5 Motion Tracking - Commander can see type of Kharaa
+ Branch Tech - Improve Marine HUD AI program A: Symbol Library v2 (get Commander's bonus as well) (Cost = Levelx(5x/2)^2)
Cost = 6x Level 6 Motion Tracking - Commander can see health of Kharaa
+ Branch Tech - Improve Marine HUD AI program B: Bio Diagnostics v2 (get Commander's bonus as well) (Cost = Levelx(6x/2)^2)
And on the Kharaa side it would be similar, only with a flavor less like a tech tree but an organic connecting of abilities into a greater whole. Like basic parasite wears off after a while, but with other chambers added into the mix, you get the marines health, it takes longer to wear off, other team players can see it, make it undetectable to the marine bio diagnostics, etc.
* Also, I especially like the idea of marine tech like Motion Tracking not working like it should while in a Dynamicly Infested area the Kharaa own.
Let me clarify. You know how you press "c" to bring up the map of the map and it takes up the entire view of your HUD? You can still see through it, but it is distracting, that is what I was refering to. The increment would be that the blips that the commander could see would be what you see and the marine would not be limited to just line of sight.
If I was a marine at that tech level, I would travel with other players, then say "cover me" as I look at the map to tell them if we had incoming or not.
One of the next levels of progression was not having to open the big map to get an idea of incoming, so it would take away less of your view and fingers you are using to direct your marine. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
Quick nitpick, that was phermones, not SoF. Old SoF only worked on injured marines, but it still functioned as it does now with the red circles.
its the luming threat that yes your enamy could see you could be watching you could be cowardinating, getting ahead and setting up a ambush. That is what slows you down and keeps you cheacking those blind spot, for now a assumption that your enamy doesnt know exsactly were you are and isnt planning a counter is exsactly what will get you killed and spoil your ninja.
having it update less often, or minimap only, or its handheld so that a player can't shoot while its out
i do like the idea of having it very limited in the infested areas. perhaps in infested areas motion tracking could also detect marines (because of interfence), so you know something is there, but it might be friendlies.
this is good enought.
(disagree with original idea)
<b>What do you think of the observatory working with true line-of-sight in order to activate MT? If you did that you could make DI (and other arbitrary brushes) block that line of sight and create a "radar shadow" for aliens to hide behind on the strategic level.</b>
You could even set that up to where it calculated an umbra and penumbra where the deepest part of the shadow gave total concealment from MT and the lesser shadow simply made it less likely that you'd be seen.
MT could work on DI, cept that since it is basically a living blob, there'd be hits all over. Behind you, in front, left right, almost everywhere there is DI.
Since MT is an upgrade, it wouldn't be unfair early game (to figure out the hive, you just follow the aliens... simple enough)
Plus its similar to the hallucination idea. You are in unfamiliar territory. The Marines should have a disadvantage when on DI. Maybe not AI <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/skulk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::skulk::" border="0" alt="skulk.gif" /> s, but seeing stuff on MT that isn't there is close enough.
As a counter, aliens would leave trails of goo, like slugs. Similiar to SoF, cept these are small and are hard to see (though make a slushing sound when you walk on em). Kinda counters the ambushing side of the aliens, and could scare the frak out of a marine who just realized he is dead meat. Plus the aliens could draw them into trap (lets follow the slime trail, says the marine. Follows. Aliens jump out at a choke point)
Flame if you feel you need to...
mt is cheap for what it does. which is making skulks without cloak useless. and even then only if the comm is bad and doesn't scan.