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Join Date: 2003-09-27 Member: 21247Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">sounds worse but its not!</div>Yes i know we all know Natural Selection is "realistic" and don't use some lasers or something.
But i don't want to talk about Laser Guns or Plasma balls shooting guns.
I just want to talk about the Pistol, Shotgun and Heavy Machine Gun.
Why not add a 4. Level upgrade with plasma bullets?
The change is just the impact effect and the damage.
But there is nothing other changed, the aliens...
wha just an flight of fancy <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerd-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::nerdy::" border="0" alt="nerd-fix.gif" />
its late now, good night
But i don't want to talk about Laser Guns or Plasma balls shooting guns.
I just want to talk about the Pistol, Shotgun and Heavy Machine Gun.
Why not add a 4. Level upgrade with plasma bullets?
The change is just the impact effect and the damage.
But there is nothing other changed, the aliens...
wha just an flight of fancy <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerd-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::nerdy::" border="0" alt="nerd-fix.gif" />
its late now, good night
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And how does it fit the frontiersmen theme.
And how does it fit the frontiersmen theme.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It is not liquid, solid or gas. It literally eats through everything. We use a diluted version [something like 1:1,000] in sterilizing our equipment in the O.R. A non diluted version, projected, would kill soft tissue instantly, and could eat through armor, so I could see this as some sort of anti ONOS/armor weapon upgrade.
In reality, lasers, sound and plasma are all, or have all been incorporated into modern day warfare fighting. Even if not for weapons, but for devices and research.
When I think of futuristic weapons and whatnot, I don't think of lead flying through the air. I think of lasers, electronic warfare, bio-warfare, and even stuff like plasma weapons and rail guns. They are a relity and are being researched currently for warfare. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/asrifle.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::asrifle::" border="0" alt="asrifle.gif" />
How it fits? Not sure, but I always thought actually that "bullets" didn't really fit. Here we are as space marines. We have teleportation, nanite technology, force fields, remote scanning, siege cannons that shoot through walls hitting precision targets, space ships [obviously], personal jetpacks that appear when our leader "makes them" out of thin air..., <u>yet were using bullets.</u> Doesn't that sound strange to you? I always thought that was the part that kinda said "yeah we could fly to the moon, but not get past lead bullets." <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerd-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::nerdy::" border="0" alt="nerd-fix.gif" />
I imagine personel using shells filled with different properties, like plasma, lead, explosives, vaporizing light, or whatever, but plain old "lead bullets" does seem to me like ancient technology. And thats even for now [2008]. Im not sure what changes they will make if any, but I welcome something besides an LMG with regular bullets.
you have a valid point, and its what myself and a lot of other people think when they first play the game.... or watch the movie 'aliens' for that matter. but i guess were all used to it by now, and bullets really do fit in well with the style of the game. personally i believe if they were to introduce lazers, plasma rifles or any other super-futuristic sci-fi gun, it would detract from the atmosphere that the original NS did so well in creating. if they do bring in a new super weapon, keep it to projectiles only - railguns, gauss guns etc.
<!--quoteo(post=1667463:date=Jan 15 2008, 06:53 AM:name=corpsman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(corpsman @ Jan 15 2008, 06:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1667463"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I imagine personel using shells filled with different properties, like plasma, lead, explosives, vaporizing light, or whatever, but plain old "lead bullets" does seem to me like ancient technology. And thats even for now [2008]. Im not sure what changes they will make if any, but I welcome something besides an LMG with regular bullets.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yeah i still think there should be an option to upgrade different types of rounds, especially for the shotgun. apart from pellets, maybe you could get solid slugs, HE rounds, white-phosphorous etc... check out the end of this clip for inspiration....
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoL3JVOGnKc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoL3JVOGnKc</a>
*edit* damnit embed wouldnt work for some reason....
Except it was done best in Star Wars, and it pretty much can't get better.
Truth be told, in X number of years/decades we probably will have another revolution in small-arms. But it sure as hell wont be pretty. Think of the revolutions from Sticks to Bows Swords to Rifles to Automatic Rifles.
Star Wars did the futuristic weaponry well, because it was scifi but could still create awesome battles, with its slow-moving bright projectiles. If anything, they're worse than guns.
Except it was done best in Star Wars, and it pretty much can't get better.
Truth be told, in X number of years/decades we probably will have another revolution in small-arms. But it sure as hell wont be pretty. Think of the revolutions from Sticks to Bows Swords to Rifles to Automatic Rifles.
Star Wars did the futuristic weaponry well, because it was scifi but could still create awesome battles, with its slow-moving bright projectiles. If anything, they're worse than guns.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
personally i think terminator did it best in their futuristic dream sequences, without doubt. they were far more scientificially accurate (except for the sound effects, thoereticially lasers shouldnt make any noise) a mega-hot beam of light instantly shooting from the gun to the target in 0.01 milliseconds.... giddy up!
i guess star wars' "slow moving bright projectiles" looked pretty cool (despite being rediculously inaccurate), and you're right, they sure did make some awesome battles with them.
either way, leave em out of NS2. if you want zap guns, go play halo or UT or something....
Does that help? That is an interesting show, it actually helped introduce me to some of the ideas I have on energy weapons I express later in this post.
I agree, if the marines were using something like this with different types of ammo, there would not be too much need for the other types we currently have. Its like all the Marine's weapons in one.
As far as laser weapons go, from another thread:
<!--quoteo(post=1667241:date=Jan 12 2008, 04:19 PM:name=CanadianWolverine)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CanadianWolverine @ Jan 12 2008, 04:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1667241"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Have you seen a laser in operation before? The best one can do as a weapon is burn someone, in fact a type of microwave emitter is being proposed as a way for crowd control and making enemy troops so uncomfortable that they lay down screaming and unable to fight. If tweaked right, I wouldn't be surprised if future weapon oriented lasers come across as death rays, cooking humans alive in their armor. Pretty gruesome, eh?
The idea as it is proposed is essentially a rail gun, IMHO a laser is incapable of piercing walls, but micro-meteors are able to, even with their small mass but with sufficient inertia will just pass through objects. Why anyone would want to fire something like that in a space station or planetary colony is beyond me, who knows what the side effects could be, you certainly wouldn't want to accidentally open up a gravitational worm hole.
I am sure a focused beam could create plasma out of some surfaces it transfers energy to really fast ... wonder what kind of chain reaction that would create...
IMHO, Lasers should be used for targeting , line of sight communications, and perhaps as part of a energy transfer, say like the welder spewing out the nanites needed for its job, the programing for the nano-bots, and the energy needed through wireless transmission, but if any sodderng or cutting was needed, a laser as a part of it would come in handy. Heck, you could probably burn graffiti on a wall with a laser too, if you just didn't want display a holographic image on it, like a projector. Laser scanners are awfully useful in line of sight applications.
Well, I suppose a laser weapon for the marine's might work if the wanted to burn the flesh of a Kharaa, though I suppose unless the Kharaa was really close it wouldn't burn through them, the the more distance between the atmosphere would end up difusing a bit of the energy, plus a spore or umbra cloud, even smoke or steam, or liquids would really difuse it some and solid objects might have some smoke come off them as you burn the material... You would probably have to hold a laser on a target that is at distance for some time in just about the exact same spot for it to be at all effective. And if the enemy you combat lasers with has any kind of heat or energy shielding at all, the laser weapon is going to be very ineffective.
Basicly, if you think about it, NS1 already had lasers, we just didn't have any except perhaps the welder for a bit there that did any damage. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink-fix.gif" />
So, as far as the rail gun goes that was proposed, I'd rather just find a use for the current siege cannon as a way of making it mobile, possible even handing it over to a marine to push or pull or giving it some robotic tracks for locomotion. Also tweak the siege cannon further with the use of indirect artillery fire by Commander and direct artillery fire when a Marine laser targets, and you'll definitely have something that does what the rail gun does with the same vulnerabilities but without replacing or effectively obsoleting current methods.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Directed Energy Weapon - Railgun & Coilgun:
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Directed Energy Weapon - Laser Blind & Stun Strike (reminds me of the electrification upgrade in NS1):
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Microwave Weapon (Raytheon Style):
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Plasma certainly has its uses as well. Could the flamethrower utilize turning stuff into plasma? How about plasma or sabot rounds for other weapons?
There are a lot of possibilities in energy weapons, it doesn't have to be anything like the silly things in Star Wars.
As to the argument of why we still use them in the future, well, it's simply much more efficient. At least for common soldiers.
Or on the other hand, what are all those mining facilities mining? It seems that in the NS universe you've got an abundance of metal or similar materials, so why wouldn't you use them?
But obviously, biological/radiological/chemical warfare would be that much more efficient; but then there wouldn't be a setting. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> - or perhaps, it'll make the place uninhabitable/unusable (i favour this theory), or conflicts with the ideals of the TSA, (the actual organisation, rather than the military division) an organisation with humanitarian ideals.
As for star wars, well, those weren't lasers. Maybe particle weapons. Or if they were, I'm sure you know, you can't 'see' lasers, so that's rather flawed. Unless perhaps there's mist, or it ignites the atmosphere.
Actually, an argument against lasers would be that they don't produce that much structural damage - while an impact with a high velocity projectile (a bullet) does. <b>edit:</b> CaWolf leads the anti-laser movement. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Though after thinking about it, I recall reading something about how theoretically, a short 'flash' from a laser weapon would ignite a target and/or induce an explosion of the pinpoint target itself. (based on the idea that things expand when they get hotter) Still, that'd have to be extremely powerful, and that'd chew a lot of energy. And I wouldn't like to get burning/molten flesh on myself after shooting someone. Safety first!
Of course, in that case a lower-velocity railgun would be better. (High velocity EM-accelerated weapons would probably just eat through anything, (someone said "just like a mini comet") just like a laser, but would be more efficient, since a laser has to spend energy to 'burn' its target. Ideally, you want the weapon to 'tear up' its target, not put a clean hole through it; which you can achieve through bullets and explosives. I'm sure you could dig a tunnel through someone's head, and they'd surely die, but a bullet is probably much more efficient.)
It would be great to even just see the colors of the rounds change, from metal, to black, then to red, or soemthing along those lines to reflect the upgrades the commander is making. Just like the video, where the different types of rounds are colored so the user knows what they are loading. Even if it's not a light show, I never know what upgrades my team has. I also don't attack the same or as much as I would when I am not aware of what ammo I am using, which noone in any other type of game would be unaware of, or in real life. I would be happy if anything, having the colors of the rounds change based on the upgrade, so I know what upgrades we have. COuldn't that be done super easy [changing a color...]?
I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about but in NS1 there are shell casings for the lmg and HMG at least. You can use them to tell where a marine was firing sometimes.
Besides, is adding colours a practical application of the nanites? (I'm still thinking that bullets are 'constructed' from a 'pack' of nanites that serves as the 'magazine'. Feel free to enlighten me if I'm wrong.)