TWG XVII CODENAME: PATHFINDER

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  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1670372:date=Feb 13 2008, 10:16 AM:name=Eternaly_Lost)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eternaly_Lost @ Feb 13 2008, 10:16 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1670372"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well <b>Im_lost</b> and Me are not in anyway networked.
    I am only moving the vote to try to delay an instalynch.
    Cause if you really are a human, I know that at least one of the other voters for you is human, and if the other is a wolf, then his friend will come along and cast a vote on you.

    BTW, im_lost did not vote for you at all.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Voting im_lost only shows you move your vote easily. I'm not surprised you're quickly defending him. One of the other voters is human and it's TheFenix. Whether he moves his vote will probably come down to whether he's primarily networked to you and im_lost or not. I think you've made a serious mistake by saying you're not networked to im_lost when I know you are: you're depending on me to get lynched because I know you two are networked.

    This is a rather risky game ending play by the wolves, unless they have a medpack(which is likely because we haven't seen anyone revived). Me plus wolf victim tonight = 3 humans left to two wolves. If a medpack is involved the game ends the night following this one.
  • TheFeniXTheFeniX Join Date: 2007-07-12 Member: 61569Members
    Ok, let's run some things from my end:

    For some reason, things have worked out to almost certainly label me as human.

    If locally IS a wolf, I think it'd be pretty weak of him to go out of his way to call me human because it wouldn't mean anything. The association would be there and, for the record, I wasn't exactly worried about locally getting lynched until now.

    Is locally is the psychic, he trusts me for whatever reason.

    At this point: I'm going to ask for any roles to contact me. Unfortunately, considering everyone else is a "Who knows?," I'm going to have to risk getting caught up in the middle again. If anyone else has a better idea on how to clear this up: I'm all ears. Right now it's the only thing I've got going.
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1670397:date=Feb 13 2008, 01:07 PM:name=TheFeniX)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TheFeniX @ Feb 13 2008, 01:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1670397"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ok, let's run some things from my end:

    For some reason, things have worked out to almost certainly label me as human.

    If locally IS a wolf, I think it'd be pretty weak of him to go out of his way to call me human because it wouldn't mean anything. The association would be there and, for the record, I wasn't exactly worried about locally getting lynched until now.

    Is locally is the psychic, he trusts me for whatever reason.

    At this point: I'm going to ask for any roles to contact me. Unfortunately, considering everyone else is a "Who knows?," I'm going to have to risk getting caught up in the middle again. If anyone else has a better idea on how to clear this up: I'm all ears. Right now it's the only thing I've got going.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The only reason I think you are human is that i think E_Lost is a wolf and he's going out of his way to hide his connection with im_lost.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    E_Lost is most certainly not a wolf. I'm 100% sure of it.

    You voting for him only makes me think you are a wolf that much more.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    As far as the claim that me and E_Lost are connected, here's the total amount of communication that has occurred between the two of us.

    <!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=IRC Log)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IRC Log)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->[02/08 11:02:53] <Eternaly_Lost> So, someone contacted me in pm telling me that soul is a wolf what do you think of this?
    [02/08 11:03:16] <im_lost> that's interesting
    [02/08 11:03:25] <im_lost> he hasn't been a wolf before, so there would be nothing to compare to
    [02/08 11:03:43] <im_lost> and today seems like an easy day to blend in
    [02/08 11:03:59] <im_lost> i'm guessing this person was claiming to be the seer?
    [02/08 11:16:07] <Eternaly_Lost> nope
    [02/08 11:16:17] <Eternaly_Lost> He just said he knew that he was a wolf.
    [02/08 11:17:20] <im_lost> the only way it would make sense is if they were the seer and they were worried about dying
    [02/08 11:22:51] <Eternaly_Lost> yea...
    [02/08 11:56:41] * Eternaly_Lost has quit (Ping timeout)
    [02/08 12:43:38] <Eternaly_Lost> So, now that the person who claimed soul is a wolf, answerer my pm, he tells me that he expects that if he votes for soul, the other person who he also thinks is a wolf will move his vote to him( the person who claims soul is a wolf )
    [02/08 12:49:30] <Eternaly_Lost> ... He at best would know if one person is a wolf.
    [02/08 12:49:57] <Eternaly_Lost> Becuase if he was the seer and got an item, he could only know 1 person was a wolf.
    [02/08 12:51:33] * im_lost goes to check the items list...
    [02/08 12:52:22] <im_lost> what do items have to do with anything?
    [02/08 12:58:26] <Eternaly_Lost> One item allows for a free seering of a player
    [02/08 12:58:37] <im_lost> but it can't be used until tonight
    [02/08 12:58:56] <Eternaly_Lost> exactly, witch is why I find it odd that he so certain about 2 wolfs
    [02/08 12:59:31] <im_lost> apparently i missed a bit of what you said before, now i think i follow
    [02/08 12:59:56] <im_lost> why doesn't this person come out and post that both soul and another person are wolves?
    [02/08 13:00:31] <im_lost> in the short run it might get them killed, but if they are human then the psychic would at least know it and be able to put together clues from that point
    [02/08 13:01:31] <Eternaly_Lost> I think he might, I asked him for more proof before I do anything

    ....

    [02/08 18:51:40] <Eternaly_Lost_Desktop> I find this all very interesting.
    [02/08 18:52:02] <Eternaly_Lost_Desktop> You know how I told you that person who was claiming that soul was a wolf?
    [02/08 18:52:14] <Eternaly_Lost_Desktop> He told me that the other wold was none other then Thansal...
    [02/08 18:52:21] <im_lost> hm
    [02/08 18:52:45] <Eternaly_Lost_Desktop> And exactly what he said is happening, we one get threaten, the other will move a vote to save the other.
    [02/08 18:53:29] <im_lost> yeah, that's certainly how it looks
    [02/08 22:41:49] * Disconnected ().
    [02/09 14:32:38] * Disconnected ().
    [02/10 01:48:42] * Eternaly_Lost_Desktop has quit (Quit: HydraIRC -> <a href="http://www.hydrairc.com" target="_blank">http://www.hydrairc.com</a> <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it)
    [02/10 03:41:08] * Disconnected ().
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    [02/10 18:19:38] * Disconnected ().
    [02/10 21:49:25] * Disconnected ().
    [02/11 15:05:30] * Disconnected ().
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    [02/11 20:53:11] <Eternaly_Lost_Desktop> Hello
    [02/11 20:53:18] <im_lost> hi
    [02/11 20:53:31] <Eternaly_Lost_Desktop> Read my post yet?
    [02/11 20:53:39] <im_lost> no, just doing that now
    [02/11 22:49:46] <Eternaly_Lost_Desktop> Please, keep your name intact in the channel im_lost, it make it hard to read logs without wondering who all these new +v are.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The gap in the middle is because there was actually that much time between the conversations. The times are PST. Any other messages between us have been in the channel. locallyunscene's statement that we are networked is based on (as far as I know)

    <!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=IRC Log)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IRC Log)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Feb 08 19:22:40 <lowcaleunceen> So would you like to know why I switched to soul or did lost tell you all ready?
    Feb 08 19:23:13 <im_lost> e_lost told me already
    Feb 08 19:23:20 <lowcaleunceen> okay<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Now it's time to go back and reread the rest of the posts to see what else I can respond to. (Completely random, but it's only now that I'm noticing that logs stored on my computer have a different date format than the stuff currently showing in X-Chat.)
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    Hmm, people are looking at things from like 5 different angles, and I'm getting a bit lost in it all. Hopefully my post will make some sense.

    Let's look at Caboose's post. He says he's sure E_Lost is human. That leads to a couple possibilities.
    1. He's the seer. In this case, he's either very bold, very stupid, or has body armor. It also means that E_Lost is a human for sure.
    2. He used Night Vision. In this case, we know nothing about Caboose, but we know that E_Lost is human.
    3. He knows because he's a wolf, and he's manipulating E_Lost somehow, or they are both wolves.

    I'm starting with the assumption that Caboose isn't making this up on the spot, because then E_Lost would easily point it out. Both of them as wolves would be a bit of a bold move (when there isn't any real risk of E_Lost getting voted out), so I think we can rule that out. I think all the remaining possibilities put E_Lost as a human.

    With that in mind, the whole basis of locally's reasoning for trusting TheFeniX seems to be gone. Plus, even if you assume he is the psychic, look at his judgment on Soul Rider and Thansal. E_Lost's opinion of TheFeniX depends on what he decides about locally, apparently. Trust TheFeniX if you want, but I don't see anything that makes him more trustworthy than most other people here.

    After concluding that E_Lost is human, I looked back at his list of what he thinks of people based on what he thinks about locally. He thinks Caboose is human either way, but that's to be expected based on the points I outlined above. Everyone else is completely dependent on that one decision, so it doesn't seem to be helpful at all.

    I'm worried I might be wrong about this, but <b>locallyunscene</b> seems to be acting too crazy to be a role that should have definite information handed to him. locally's reason for suspecting Soul Rider is
    <!--quoteo(post=1670368:date=Feb 13 2008, 06:38 AM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Feb 13 2008, 06:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1670368"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->(mainly that soulrider claimed he was a prereset wolf and was networked with the other wolves but I was a prereset wolf and had no contact with him)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    how does that make sense? In other words, why would the prereset stuff have any bearing on the current game?

    I don't actually see any justification for suspecting Thansal, and I wouldn't be surprised if locally caused a human to decide to AWP Thansal. If a wolf knew about locally's suspicions, why would they kill a person that another human is sure is a wolf? If they didn't know about the accusation, then it would be a stretch of a coincidence (1 in 8 chance, or is it 1 in 10 chance?), and also silly to use the item on day 1 I would think. The only thing that makes sense to me is that the AWP was used by a human. I guess it could have been used by a wolf that thought they would be killed off yesterday, which gives us E_Lost, locally, and Soul Rider. Soul Rider has been decided as a human, and I've decided E_Lost is a human, so that only works if locally is a wolf.

    Let me know if there are any updates that people have for the room chart.

    Current vote count

    locallyunscene (3) - TheFenix, Caboose, im_lost
    Eternaly_Lost (1) - locallyunscene
    im_lost (1) - Eternaly_Lost

    Still need to vote: Theslan, EMP Demon
  • TheFeniXTheFeniX Join Date: 2007-07-12 Member: 61569Members
    I'll be out for Valentine's day and I don't want to be part of an instalynch with so much confusion going around. I'll change my vote to <b>theslan</b> unless something more concrete comes up.

    On a sidenote, no one has taken me up on the offer of my role call, so either we're down to our psychic or they just don't want to be out in the open yet.
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1670450:date=Feb 14 2008, 03:48 AM:name=im_lost)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(im_lost @ Feb 14 2008, 03:48 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1670450"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't actually see any justification for suspecting Thansal, and I wouldn't be surprised if locally caused a human to decide to AWP Thansal. If a wolf knew about locally's suspicions, why would they kill a person that another human is sure is a wolf? If they didn't know about the accusation, then it would be a stretch of a coincidence (1 in 8 chance, or is it 1 in 10 chance?), and also silly to use the item on day 1 I would think. The only thing that makes sense to me is that the AWP was used by a human. I guess it could have been used by a wolf that thought they would be killed off yesterday, which gives us E_Lost, locally, and Soul Rider. Soul Rider has been decided as a human, and I've decided E_Lost is a human, so that only works if locally is a wolf.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No one was sure about anything regarding Thansal.
    E_Lost would be the only player who could possibly use the AWP on Thansal and still be human since, as you said, he was on the chopping block. If you or EMP_Demon was the one to do it I'd say you would have to be wolves.

    E_Lost if you thought my reasoning was sketchy why did you ask me to move my vote?
  • EMP_DemonEMP_Demon Nothing to see here. Join Date: 2005-01-28 Member: 38754Members, Constellation
    Sorry about this, but two midterms and two assignments due in this four day period isn't fun.

    <b>TheFeniX</b> has no votes so unless someone finds a concrete wolf or has a plan, I'm gonna put my vote there to avoid a phantom.
  • TheFeniXTheFeniX Join Date: 2007-07-12 Member: 61569Members
    <b>im_lost</b>

    I was hoping to get something off my role-call, but that's done and gone.

    I believe this vote will give me the information I need. For the record, I am the guardian. It might be pretty stupid of us to expose two roles publicly (even if it's possible both locally and I are lying), but if things work out: we should be able to wrap this game up pretty quick.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    Updated tally

    locallyunscene (2) - Caboose, im_lost
    im_lost (2) - Eternaly_Lost TheFeniX
    Eternaly_Lost (1) - locallyunscene
    TheFeniX (1) - EMP_Demon

    Theslan still needs to vote.
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    I hope I don't end up regretting this.

    <b>im_lost</b>

    Updated tally part deux

    im_lost (3) - Caboose, Eternaly_Lost TheFeniX
    locallyunscene (1) - im_lost
    Eternaly_Lost (1) - locallyunscene
    TheFeniX (1) - EMP_Demon

    Theslan still needs to vote.
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    I change my vote to <b>im_lost</b>. Many people think E_Lost is human and I'm willing to believe he is a victim of cirumstance. There has to be someone behind the scenes then.
  • Eternaly_LostEternaly_Lost Join Date: 2004-11-20 Member: 32907Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1670523:date=Feb 14 2008, 04:03 PM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Feb 14 2008, 04:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1670523"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I change my vote to <b>im_lost</b>. Many people think E_Lost is human and I'm willing to believe he is a victim of cirumstance. There has to be someone behind the scenes then.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    im_lost now has 4 votes.

    And that makes it INSTALYNCH

    So, <!--sizeo:7--><span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->Night 3: NO MORE POSTING<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

    Night get in here.
  • Eternaly_LostEternaly_Lost Join Date: 2004-11-20 Member: 32907Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    Final Vote Tally:

    im_lost (4) - Caboose, Eternaly_Lost , TheFeniX, locallyunscene
    locallyunscene (1) - im_lost
    TheFeniX (1) - EMP_Demon

    DID NOT VOTE ( No phantom vote because of INSTALYCH ):
    Theslan
  • NightstalkerNightstalker Join Date: 2007-01-06 Member: 59463Members
    sorry guys work was absolutely unplanned chaos (i got out a 4 am this morning) I pretty much got home, slept. and then went back to work. no time for anything else. Anyways ill be sending the pms, tjhey should be out in a few min. thanks....
  • NightstalkerNightstalker Join Date: 2007-01-06 Member: 59463Members
    Okay i am truly sorry for the delay but this weekend in fact this entire week has been a disaster (hospital, army drill.....) so i finnally have everything bak to normal pms are out in a few min, ill have the story up by the end of tormorrow, (drill again..hooray!!!!)

    Due to my absence, night three will end monday 2200 EST. Thanks for your patience...


    Oh yes and the ever present..


    <b><u>Surviving Players</b></u>
    1. Emp_Demon
    2. Eternaly_lost
    3. locallyunscene
    4. Caboose
    5. Theslan
    6. TheFeniX
  • Eternaly_LostEternaly_Lost Join Date: 2004-11-20 Member: 32907Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1670690:date=Feb 16 2008, 08:56 PM:name=Nightstalker)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Nightstalker @ Feb 16 2008, 08:56 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1670690"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Okay i am truly sorry for the delay but this weekend in fact this entire week has been a disaster (hospital, army drill.....) so i finnally have everything bak to normal pms are out in a few min, ill have the story up by the end of tormorrow, (drill again..hooray!!!!)

    Due to my absence, night three will end monday 2200 EST. Thanks for your patience...
    Oh yes and the ever present..
    <b><u>Surviving Players</b></u>
    1. Emp_Demon
    2. Eternaly_lost
    3. locallyunscene
    4. Caboose
    5. Theslan
    6. TheFeniX<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <!--sizeo:7--><span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->IT IS NOW DAY 3: POST AWAY?<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

    With No idea on who has died, or what ever:

    After a 4 day night ( 24 hours max as per rules ) <b>Nightstalker</b> is now late what 6 times in a row? We have yet to start a day OR night on time, correctly.

    Vote Table:

    Nightstalker ( 1 ) - E_lost
  • EMP_DemonEMP_Demon Nothing to see here. Join Date: 2005-01-28 Member: 38754Members, Constellation
    Don't forget about "Three, no, FOUR wolevs!"

    <b>Nightstalker</b>

    Vote Table:

    Nightstalker (2) - E_lost, EMP Demon
  • TheslanTheslan TWG Signature Maker Join Date: 2004-04-27 Member: 28245Members
    I'm sorry, but with much deliberation, it'll have to be <b>Nightstalker</b>.

    Vote Table:

    Nightstalker (3) - E_lost, EMP Demon, Theslan
  • TheFeniXTheFeniX Join Date: 2007-07-12 Member: 61569Members
    Insanity +1

    <b>nightstalker</b>
  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Members, Constellation
    <b>Nightstalker</b>
  • NightstalkerNightstalker Join Date: 2007-01-06 Member: 59463Members
    Okay since you guys are saying something..ill say something too

    i may or may not be around exactly when the day/night ends, my shedule is very unpredictable..so i apologize in advance, as soon as i have time, ive gotten to the game... Thanks for bearing with me!!!
  • NightstalkerNightstalker Join Date: 2007-01-06 Member: 59463Members
    edited February 2008
    <!--sizeo:7--><span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--> IT IS NOW DAY THREE!!! POST AWAY!!!<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
    Sorry guys , yet again my story isnt up, this time you can all thank my supervisor for having me stay an extra 4 hours at work to finish stuff. Anyways pms will be out and tomorrow i will have both stories up....

    anyways...as for business.....

    locallyunscene is dead


    <b><u>Surviving Players</u></b>

    1. Emp_Demon
    2. Eternaly_lost
    3. locallyunscene
    4. Theslan
    5. TheFenix
    6. Thansal

    Oh Medpack was used..<!--coloro:#00FF00--><span style="color:#00FF00"><!--/coloro-->Thansal<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> is alive again

    Day three ends Thursday Feb 21 2200 EST




    <!--sizeo:5--><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->DUE TO AN ERROR, (I WAS LOOKING AT ANOTHER NIGHTS POST), LOCALLYUNSCENE IS STILL IN THE GAME. CABOOSE IS DEAD. THANKS!!!<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->
  • TheFeniXTheFeniX Join Date: 2007-07-12 Member: 61569Members
    <b>emp_demon</b> for great victory.
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    <b>Nightstalker</b>, hands down.
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    I mean <b>EMP_DEMON</b>
  • NightstalkerNightstalker Join Date: 2007-01-06 Member: 59463Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1670899:date=Feb 19 2008, 04:01 AM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(locallyunscene @ Feb 19 2008, 04:01 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1670899"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>Nightstalker</b>, hands down.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    FTW!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
  • TheslanTheslan TWG Signature Maker Join Date: 2004-04-27 Member: 28245Members
  • NightstalkerNightstalker Join Date: 2007-01-06 Member: 59463Members
    edited February 2008
    <!--sizeo:7--><span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--> INSTALYNCH!!! <!--coloro:#00FF00--><span style="color:#00FF00"><!--/coloro-->HUMANS WIN!!!<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec-->

    Good game guys, sorry for al l the hangups and so forth but thanks for making my first hosting a somewhat salvageable game.

    Post game will be up shortly, with awards and so forth...

    <b><u>Surviving Players</b></u>

    1. Eternaly_lost
    2. locallyunscene
    3. Caboose
    4. Theslan
    5. TheFeniX
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