<!--quoteo(post=1672107:date=Mar 4 2008, 03:16 PM:name=Flayra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Flayra @ Mar 4 2008, 03:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672107"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I hear you guys that you'd prefer NS2 news - so would we. There are just a lot of uninteresting things that go into running a company that wouldn't be appropriate to talk about. At the same time, when we don't say anything, we are criticized for that as well (even though we've been here full-time for 7 years, some people think that if they don't hear news for a month that we've vanished).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's a shame that you're in a position like that, and you were exceptionally polite with a response that could have easily (and rightfully) been a good deal harsher.
With that said though, there were problems leading up to the general concern over activity. It's not to say that there's any real pressure for UWE to develop just because a group of obscure internet people will it - but rather that there have been a few precedents that could give reasonable concern from anyone, not just a rambling bunch of idiots on a company website, as to how much attention and bated breath is reasonable to apply to future products.
In essence, all I'm really saying is that I think that if one of the goals of the podcasts are to keep a sort of connection with the community, or to give us something to chew on as we wait for the first release, that the community would more appreciate a simple but <i>genuine</i> podcast about what's really going on behind the scenes. Sort of akin to <a href="http://www.mhric.org/fdr/fdr.html" target="_blank">Roosevelt's Fireside Chats</a>, rather than being given "interesting" or more colorful news updates that might be essentially unrelated to what's really on you guys' minds.
I could be totally off with this, since I don't have webalizer statistics to figure out if a fireside chat would actually be appreciated. In any case, it's just something to think about.
Oh, and please try not to take Domining's posts to heart. For all intents and purposes, he's the NS community's lovable but retarded red-headed stepchild.
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<!--quoteo(post=1672112:date=Mar 4 2008, 04:22 PM:name=Radix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Radix @ Mar 4 2008, 04:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672112"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Oh, and please try not to take Domining's posts to heart. For all intents and purposes, he's the NS community's lovable but retarded red-headed stepchild.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think you got that backwards.
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edited March 2008
<!--quoteo(post=1672103:date=Mar 4 2008, 08:28 PM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Max @ Mar 4 2008, 08:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672103"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I read your post, but I don't see anything wrong with the link.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hmm very weird, because when I click on the #18 link, I don't get to see podcast #18. I see everything else you guys posted in februari (podcasts #16 and #17), when it should only show podcast #18. (both in firefox and IE, even with cache cleared as well, so it has to be serverside versus februari 29?).
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=103889&pid=1671813&st=0&#entry1671813" target="_blank">Related thread</a> in website feedback forum.
It can't be that I'm the only frikking one which has this problem!? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
You can't please everyone; and also, some people are just jerks <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
Just like being in school you aren't always studying. Similar to programming im assuming you don't just program all day. Therefore you won't always have content on say ns2 due to being busy in other frameworks of life. This is the type of podcast I enjoy, update on just the general hap's on what's going on. Also on ns2 probably why there isn't much of an update is due to how much new content there might be. Sure they will have new maps some new creations. But it most likely won't be super distant from the original. So they will be releasing content slowly due to not being that many revolutionary new things. They will creep out in time which will be fun to hear about.
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Flayra, you already have naturally selected all the ns players that can't wait for half a year due to the forum downtime, so don't bother, when there are lacks of updates/podcasts. We can deal with it <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1671881:date=Mar 2 2008, 04:14 PM:name=Wexx)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wexx @ Mar 2 2008, 04:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1671881"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, I noticed that too.
The Tangent about the virtual worlds thing and artists taking over the world was interesting. I'd also have to agree with most of the posts in this thread about no NS2 news though, I guess that you guys have been busy with GDC and stuff, which is fairly important I'd say, and I'm glad you guys talked about what you saw and thought about it. Keep it up!
Edit: Also, Blizzard's Cinematics have always been over the top <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerd-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::nerdy::" border="0" alt="nerd-fix.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Here's someone I can agree with 90%, if not fully. Getting feedback on what IS now the most important/valuble aspect of entertainment is really important/valuble.. LOL! I assume we will see NS2 on PC interface before we start plugging ourselves in from the brain-stem? NS3 maybe? Well I'm ready for it anyways, but I don't think many others are!! Blizzard is whack.. world of ######craft [happy panda] is poop. And so is blizzard (in comparison) IMHO. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/siege.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::siege::" border="0" alt="siege.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1672107:date=Mar 4 2008, 08:16 PM:name=Flayra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Flayra @ Mar 4 2008, 08:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672107"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I hear you guys that you'd prefer NS2 news - so would we. There are just a lot of uninteresting things that go into running a company that wouldn't be appropriate to talk about. At the same time, when we don't say anything, we are criticized for that as well (even though we've been here full-time for 7 years, some people think that if they don't hear news for a month that we've vanished).
So we figured it's better to let you know that we haven't vanished and give you something to listen to if you so choose. We summarize the podcast when we post it, so if it doesn't look interesting you can skip it! It seems like the best option to me (but I'll admit it's a little frustrating for us as well).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Has it been 7 years.. Boy, the time sure flies when *BLAH BLAH BLAH*. I DO have total confidence in 'the TEAM', I have watched and enjoyed the development processes, from here in Oz.. But I do feel that there has been a LULL in gameplay and all this 'customizing' has degenerated the entire project. There is a definate need for a cinema feature for NS, IMHO.
What is wrong with you people? Some of you need attitude adjustments. Who are you to dictate what Charlie and Max should and shouldn't talk about. I agree with the guy who said that this is their game, their site, their podcast. Frankly, you guys have no say in what they talk about, unless you're an investor of course. I personally support them no matter what they talk about and you should be doing the same in stead of complaining. Seems like some of you are so isolated from the "Meatspace" (real world). Believe it or not, but some of us like to hear about people's personal lives. It doesn't always have to be about "cyberspace", video games and NS2. Podcasts are just a way to get to know developers better, not to force information out of them. Just so you guys remember, they're doing you a favor by making podcasts, so you should be thanking them for that.
<!--quoteo(post=1672280:date=Mar 6 2008, 12:36 AM:name=cerberus5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cerberus5 @ Mar 6 2008, 12:36 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672280"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What is wrong with you people? Some of you need attitude adjustments. Who are you to dictate what Charlie and Max should and shouldn't talk about. I agree with the guy who said that this is their game, their site, their podcast. Frankly, you guys have no say in what they talk about, unless you're an investor of course. I personally support them no matter what they talk about and you should be doing the same in stead of complaining. Seems like some of you are so isolated from the "Meatspace" (real world). Believe it or not, but some of us like to hear about people's personal lives. It doesn't always have to be about "cyberspace", video games and NS2. Podcasts are just a way to get to know developers better, not to force information out of them. Just so you guys remember, they're doing you a favor by making podcasts, so you should be thanking them for that.
Agreed. I have found I enjoy the podcasts regardless of content and frankly haven't a clue why some people complain. I really hope the negative posts don't discourage them from continuing the encouraging dialogue. I want them to know IMHO I like to hear all about all the little things around development, including how it affects your life or their thoughts on other games or other passions. By talking about these things, they really are helping Unknown World's main goal taken from <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/about" target="_blank">here</a>: <b>"Our goal is simple: to unite the world through play"</b>
<!--quoteo(post=1672280:date=Mar 6 2008, 12:36 AM:name=cerberus5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cerberus5 @ Mar 6 2008, 12:36 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672280"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What is wrong with you people? Some of you need attitude adjustments. Who are you to dictate what Charlie and Max should and shouldn't talk about.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> WE ARE CRITICS
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->you guys have no say in what they talk about, unless you're an investor of course.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> (lol)
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Seems like some of you are so isolated from the <b>"Meatspace"</b> (real world). Believe it or not, but some of us like to hear about people's personal lives. It doesn't always have to be about <b>"cyberspace"</b>, video games and NS2.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> (lol)
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Podcasts are just a way to get to know developers better, not to force information out of them. Just so you guys remember, they're doing you a favor by making podcasts, so you should be thanking them for that.
OK, I'll stop ranting now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I had no idea internet text had so much weight behind it so as to "FORCE" people to do something.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Who are you to dictate what Charlie and Max should and shouldn't talk about.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And this statement breaks your argument.... and <b>who are you</b> to tell us we should/shouldn't?
but yeah, some statements have been a bit impatient, selfish or rude.. meh. i've downloaded and started to play NS1 again - taking screenies for my own fan art ...
<!--quoteo(post=1672280:date=Mar 5 2008, 11:36 PM:name=cerberus5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cerberus5 @ Mar 5 2008, 11:36 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672280"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What is wrong with you people? Some of you need attitude adjustments. Who are you to dictate what Charlie and Max should and shouldn't talk about. I agree with the guy who said that this is their game, their site, their podcast. Frankly, you guys have no say in what they talk about, unless you're an investor of course. I personally support them no matter what they talk about and you should be doing the same in stead of complaining. Seems like some of you are so isolated from the "Meatspace" (real world). Believe it or not, but some of us like to hear about people's personal lives. It doesn't always have to be about "cyberspace", video games and NS2. Podcasts are just a way to get to know developers better, not to force information out of them. Just so you guys remember, they're doing you a favor by making podcasts, so you should be thanking them for that.
OK, I'll stop ranting now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not sure that Flayra and Max do these podcasts just because they're bored. I can't imagine they're getting a whole lot out of it. The podcasts are for us, the fans. If we don't like them for whatever reason, it falls to us to tell Flayra and Max, so that they can fix what's broken or stop wasting their time on something nobody enjoys and get back to making the game.
<!--quoteo(post=1672410:date=Mar 7 2008, 01:44 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Mar 7 2008, 01:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672410"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm not sure that Flayra and Max do these podcasts just because they're bored. I can't imagine they're getting a whole lot out of it. The podcasts are for us, the fans. If we don't like them for whatever reason, it falls to us to tell Flayra and Max, so that they can fix what's broken or stop wasting their time on something nobody enjoys and get back to making the game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> NS.
<!--quoteo(post=1672410:date=Mar 7 2008, 12:44 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Mar 7 2008, 12:44 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672410"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm not sure that Flayra and Max do these podcasts just because they're bored. I can't imagine they're getting a whole lot out of it. The podcasts are for us, the fans. If we don't like them for whatever reason, it falls to us to tell Flayra and Max, so that they can fix what's broken or stop wasting their time on something nobody enjoys and get back to making the game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Buddy, speak for yourself. I'm sure they are plenty of people who enjoyed podcast #18, myself included.
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It's a shame that you're in a position like that, and you were exceptionally polite with a response that could have easily (and rightfully) been a good deal harsher.
With that said though, there were problems leading up to the general concern over activity. It's not to say that there's any real pressure for UWE to develop just because a group of obscure internet people will it - but rather that there have been a few precedents that could give reasonable concern from anyone, not just a rambling bunch of idiots on a company website, as to how much attention and bated breath is reasonable to apply to future products.
In essence, all I'm really saying is that I think that if one of the goals of the podcasts are to keep a sort of connection with the community, or to give us something to chew on as we wait for the first release, that the community would more appreciate a simple but <i>genuine</i> podcast about what's really going on behind the scenes. Sort of akin to <a href="http://www.mhric.org/fdr/fdr.html" target="_blank">Roosevelt's Fireside Chats</a>, rather than being given "interesting" or more colorful news updates that might be essentially unrelated to what's really on you guys' minds.
I could be totally off with this, since I don't have webalizer statistics to figure out if a fireside chat would actually be appreciated. In any case, it's just something to think about.
Oh, and please try not to take Domining's posts to heart. For all intents and purposes, he's the NS community's lovable but retarded red-headed stepchild.
I think you got that backwards.
<!--quoteo(post=1672112:date=Mar 4 2008, 04:22 PM:name=Radix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Radix @ Mar 4 2008, 04:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1672112"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->the NS community's<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hello, welcome to the Radix NS Community!
We hope you enjoy your stay.
Hmm very weird, because when I click on the #18 link, I don't get to see podcast #18. I see everything else you guys posted in februari (podcasts #16 and #17), when it should only show podcast #18. (both in firefox and IE, even with cache cleared as well, so it has to be serverside versus februari 29?).
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=103889&pid=1671813&st=0&#entry1671813" target="_blank">Related thread</a> in website feedback forum.
It can't be that I'm the only frikking one which has this problem!? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
Thank's for the new podcast I enjoyed it.
brian
We can deal with it <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
The Tangent about the virtual worlds thing and artists taking over the world was interesting. I'd also have to agree with most of the posts in this thread about no NS2 news though, I guess that you guys have been busy with GDC and stuff, which is fairly important I'd say, and I'm glad you guys talked about what you saw and thought about it. Keep it up!
Edit: Also, Blizzard's Cinematics have always been over the top <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerd-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::nerdy::" border="0" alt="nerd-fix.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here's someone I can agree with 90%, if not fully. Getting feedback on what IS now the most important/valuble aspect of entertainment is really important/valuble.. LOL!
I assume we will see NS2 on PC interface before we start plugging ourselves in from the brain-stem? NS3 maybe? Well I'm ready for it anyways, but I don't think many others are!!
Blizzard is whack.. world of ######craft [happy panda] is poop. And so is blizzard (in comparison) IMHO. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/siege.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::siege::" border="0" alt="siege.gif" />
So we figured it's better to let you know that we haven't vanished and give you something to listen to if you so choose. We summarize the podcast when we post it, so if it doesn't look interesting you can skip it! It seems like the best option to me (but I'll admit it's a little frustrating for us as well).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Has it been 7 years.. Boy, the time sure flies when *BLAH BLAH BLAH*.
I DO have total confidence in 'the TEAM', I have watched and enjoyed the development processes, from here in Oz.. But I do feel that there has been a LULL in gameplay and all this 'customizing' has degenerated the entire project.
There is a definate need for a cinema feature for NS, IMHO.
OK, I'll stop ranting now.
OK, I'll stop ranting now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed. I have found I enjoy the podcasts regardless of content and frankly haven't a clue why some people complain. I really hope the negative posts don't discourage them from continuing the encouraging dialogue. I want them to know IMHO I like to hear all about all the little things around development, including how it affects your life or their thoughts on other games or other passions. By talking about these things, they really are helping Unknown World's main goal taken from <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/about" target="_blank">here</a>: <b>"Our goal is simple: to unite the world through play"</b>
WE ARE CRITICS
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->you guys have no say in what they talk about, unless you're an investor of course.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
(lol)
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Seems like some of you are so isolated from the <b>"Meatspace"</b> (real world). Believe it or not, but some of us like to hear about people's personal lives. It doesn't always have to be about <b>"cyberspace"</b>, video games and NS2.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
(lol)
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Podcasts are just a way to get to know developers better, not to force information out of them. Just so you guys remember, they're doing you a favor by making podcasts, so you should be thanking them for that.
OK, I'll stop ranting now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I had no idea internet text had so much weight behind it so as to "FORCE" people to do something.
And this statement breaks your argument.... and <b>who are you</b> to tell us we should/shouldn't?
but yeah, some statements have been a bit impatient, selfish or rude..
meh.
i've downloaded and started to play NS1 again - taking screenies for my own fan art ...
OK, I'll stop ranting now.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not sure that Flayra and Max do these podcasts just because they're bored. I can't imagine they're getting a whole lot out of it. The podcasts are for us, the fans. If we don't like them for whatever reason, it falls to us to tell Flayra and Max, so that they can fix what's broken or stop wasting their time on something nobody enjoys and get back to making the game.
NS.
(No Sh--)
(No Sh--)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ATTN: Harimau
This is a necessary reply to a necessary post.
This is a necessary reply to a necessary post.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Welcome to the internet. I think you'll fit in here.
Buddy, speak for yourself. I'm sure they are plenty of people who enjoyed podcast #18, myself included.