I'll be frank. I don't care about the people that are being targeted by racism. It isn't me, it doesn't affect me, and it doesn't bother me. It's the same reason I don't recycle, strive towards a better future, or go out of my way to help people. Racism to me is a completely moot point because it never even enters my mind until somebody brings it up. Racism will never be stamped out, and it will always be a huge part of existence. Humanity appears destined to be segregated and split up into warring tribes because it's in our blood. It won't be changed.
I, personally, have never gotten the racism card. Why should being hated by someone because of your race even bother you outside of extremist violent factions? Are you so sad and lonely that you envy the possible friendship you could have from this man or woman that hates you for your race? I also hate the fact that racism is so often pinned on white people. There is a large percentage of black people (let's face it, that's all any of you are talking about in the long run) that work hard to blame all their problems and issues on the white majority and lash out, assault, and berate them for the colour of their skin. The road goes both ways, but too many people never come to realize it.
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Do you honestly think that racism affects people only by reducing their potential circle of friends, and nothing more? Actually, you probably do, since its pretty clear that you've never actually bothered to think even the slightest bit about it beyond deciding that it doesn't apply to you. Racist attitudes affect people's chances of getting jobs and how they are treated in the ones they do get, they affect the way people are treated by police and government, they lead to people being denied their right to vote because their names "resemble" those of convicted felons. All of this is rooted in the way people interact with one another, but the problem is <i>not</i> that it means some sets of people can't be friends with each other, or any other lovey-dovey strawman you wish to assemble.
Just because you have the delightful luxury of not being forced to think about it because it never happens to you doesn't mean that the same applies to everyone, or that racism is a moot point. Since you make it clear that you don't care about it, why even bother entering a discussion on racism, when the only thing you have to offer is that the only person you care about is yourself?
<!--quoteo(post=1673791:date=Mar 21 2008, 02:39 AM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Mar 21 2008, 02:39 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1673791"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I claimed that almost nobody today has heard of Arthur C. Clarke. You contested that claim, which I then reinforced. You then responded by saying nobody has heard of plenty of authors. This does nothing to alter the validity of my earlier claim, which I would still submit is correct.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I tender a motion to dismiss your claims as irrelevant to debate, then. Obama does not mention Clarke, you claim that this is attributable to obscurity. Your claim is false, as Obama does not mention any authors, thus obscurity does not even enter the equation. Nor does the postulate that Clarke is only read by "nerds."
On a different topic: Why the hell were two random, unrelated subjects put in the same thread?
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<!--quoteo(post=1673857:date=Mar 21 2008, 01:38 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Mar 21 2008, 01:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1673857"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->On a different topic: Why the hell were two random, unrelated subjects put in the same thread?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think the tie was that they are/were both hopeful people. IMO Clarke deserves his own topic anyway. Maybe a mod could move the Obama comments to the Obama speech discussion?
<!--quoteo(post=1673836:date=Mar 21 2008, 07:10 AM:name=Insane)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Insane @ Mar 21 2008, 07:10 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1673836"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Do you honestly think that racism affects people only by reducing their potential circle of friends, and nothing more? Actually, you probably do, since its pretty clear that you've never actually bothered to think even the slightest bit about it beyond deciding that it doesn't apply to you. Racist attitudes affect people's chances of getting jobs and how they are treated in the ones they do get, they affect the way people are treated by police and government, they lead to people being denied their right to vote because their names "resemble" those of convicted felons. All of this is rooted in the way people interact with one another, but the problem is <i>not</i> that it means some sets of people can't be friends with each other, or any other lovey-dovey strawman you wish to assemble.
Just because you have the delightful luxury of not being forced to think about it because it never happens to you doesn't mean that the same applies to everyone, or that racism is a moot point. Since you make it clear that you don't care about it, why even bother entering a discussion on racism, when the only thing you have to offer is that the only person you care about is yourself?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why? Because the constant whining of racism and segregation is a waste of my own air that you people are denying me. A discussion and issue that will go nowhere because of the base disgusting nature of man.
<!--quoteo(post=1673857:date=Mar 21 2008, 12:38 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Mar 21 2008, 12:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1673857"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I tender a motion to dismiss your claims as irrelevant to debate, then. Obama does not mention Clarke, you claim that this is attributable to obscurity. Your claim is false, as Obama does not mention any authors, thus obscurity does not even enter the equation. Nor does the postulate that Clarke is only read by "nerds."
On a different topic: Why the hell were two random, unrelated subjects put in the same thread?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I guess. I was responding to Crispy, telling him that expecting Obama to mention Clarke was unreasonable. I guess expecting him to mention any author is sort of unreasonable too, but Clarke's certainly an impossibility when it comes to presidential speechwriters. It's like them dropping a Nietzsche reference or something. It just won't happen.
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<!--quoteo(post=1673857:date=Mar 21 2008, 12:38 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Mar 21 2008, 12:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1673857"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->On a different topic: Why the hell were two random, unrelated subjects put in the same thread?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I wrote about both of them because I watched Obama's speech shortly after hearing about Clarke's death, and it really moved me. A lot of Clarke's work talks about factions of people pitted against eachother for silly reasons, and I thought Obama's speech really spoke to that.
"I have great faith in optimism as a guiding principle, if only because it offers us the opportunity of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. I hope that we have learned something from the most barbaric century in history — the twentieth. I would like to see us overcome our tribal divisions, and begin to think and act as if we were one family. That would be real globalization." That's from Clarke's "farewell" address on his 90th birthday.
<!--quoteo(post=1673865:date=Mar 21 2008, 02:02 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Mar 21 2008, 02:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1673865"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I guess. I was responding to Crispy, telling him that expecting Obama to mention Clarke was unreasonable. I guess expecting him to mention any author is sort of unreasonable too, but Clarke's certainly an impossibility when it comes to presidential speechwriters. It's like them dropping a Nietzsche reference or something. It just won't happen.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Except supposedly he didn't use the speech writers this time or something. Never understimate the nerdery of any man!
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<!--quoteo(post=1673862:date=Mar 21 2008, 06:37 PM:name=Testament)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Testament @ Mar 21 2008, 06:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1673862"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Why? Because the constant whining of racism and segregation is a waste of my own air that you people are denying me. A discussion and issue that will go nowhere because of the base disgusting nature of man.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So why don't you go somewhere else where you won't have to listen to any of it? As far as I'm aware, nobody is forcing you to enter this or any other discussion on race and the nice thing about the internet is that you don't have to look at parts of it if you don't want to. Nobody is taking anything away from you by talking in this thread and if you don't like the topic you can go and do something else. Repeatedly establishing that the only person you care about is yourself offers absolutely nothing to the discussion. You've made it very clear that the topic at least doesn't interest you and very probably annoys you, so <i>what on earth are you doing here</i>?
<!--quoteo(post=1673886:date=Mar 21 2008, 06:41 PM:name=Insane)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Insane @ Mar 21 2008, 06:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1673886"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So why don't you go somewhere else where you won't have to listen to any of it? As far as I'm aware, nobody is forcing you to enter this or any other discussion on race and the nice thing about the internet is that you don't have to look at parts of it if you don't want to. Nobody is taking anything away from you by talking in this thread and if you don't like the topic you can go and do something else. Repeatedly establishing that the only person you care about is yourself offers absolutely nothing to the discussion. You've made it very clear that the topic at least doesn't interest you and very probably annoys you, so <i>what on earth are you doing here</i>?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> But if he didn't repeatedly say it we wouldn't realize how cool and rebellious he is. I mean, being cold hearted and a self appointed social pariah is just <i>so edgy</i>.
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I, personally, have never gotten the racism card. Why should being hated by someone because of your race even bother you outside of extremist violent factions? Are you so sad and lonely that you envy the possible friendship you could have from this man or woman that hates you for your race? I also hate the fact that racism is so often pinned on white people. There is a large percentage of black people (let's face it, that's all any of you are talking about in the long run) that work hard to blame all their problems and issues on the white majority and lash out, assault, and berate them for the colour of their skin. The road goes both ways, but too many people never come to realize it.
Just because you have the delightful luxury of not being forced to think about it because it never happens to you doesn't mean that the same applies to everyone, or that racism is a moot point. Since you make it clear that you don't care about it, why even bother entering a discussion on racism, when the only thing you have to offer is that the only person you care about is yourself?
I tender a motion to dismiss your claims as irrelevant to debate, then. Obama does not mention Clarke, you claim that this is attributable to obscurity. Your claim is false, as Obama does not mention any authors, thus obscurity does not even enter the equation. Nor does the postulate that Clarke is only read by "nerds."
On a different topic: Why the hell were two random, unrelated subjects put in the same thread?
I think the tie was that they are/were both hopeful people. IMO Clarke deserves his own topic anyway. Maybe a mod could move the Obama comments to the Obama speech discussion?
Just because you have the delightful luxury of not being forced to think about it because it never happens to you doesn't mean that the same applies to everyone, or that racism is a moot point. Since you make it clear that you don't care about it, why even bother entering a discussion on racism, when the only thing you have to offer is that the only person you care about is yourself?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why? Because the constant whining of racism and segregation is a waste of my own air that you people are denying me. A discussion and issue that will go nowhere because of the base disgusting nature of man.
On a different topic: Why the hell were two random, unrelated subjects put in the same thread?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I guess. I was responding to Crispy, telling him that expecting Obama to mention Clarke was unreasonable. I guess expecting him to mention any author is sort of unreasonable too, but Clarke's certainly an impossibility when it comes to presidential speechwriters. It's like them dropping a Nietzsche reference or something. It just won't happen.
I wrote about both of them because I watched Obama's speech shortly after hearing about Clarke's death, and it really moved me. A lot of Clarke's work talks about factions of people pitted against eachother for silly reasons, and I thought Obama's speech really spoke to that.
"I have great faith in optimism as a guiding principle, if only because it offers us the opportunity of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. I hope that we have learned something from the most barbaric century in history — the twentieth. I would like to see us overcome our tribal divisions, and begin to think and act as if we were one family. That would be real globalization."
That's from Clarke's "farewell" address on his 90th birthday.
Except supposedly he didn't use the speech writers this time or something. Never understimate the nerdery of any man!
So why don't you go somewhere else where you won't have to listen to any of it? As far as I'm aware, nobody is forcing you to enter this or any other discussion on race and the nice thing about the internet is that you don't have to look at parts of it if you don't want to. Nobody is taking anything away from you by talking in this thread and if you don't like the topic you can go and do something else. Repeatedly establishing that the only person you care about is yourself offers absolutely nothing to the discussion. You've made it very clear that the topic at least doesn't interest you and very probably annoys you, so <i>what on earth are you doing here</i>?
But if he didn't repeatedly say it we wouldn't realize how cool and rebellious he is. I mean, being cold hearted and a self appointed social pariah is just <i>so edgy</i>.