I can only repeat myself: For most people, open source and closed source software is identical: somebody ELSE develops it. How many times do I need to copy-paste this?
The difference is that open-source will have a wider range of available addons/content/etc. Which can be appreciated by everyone regardless of their programming ability.
remiremedy [blu.knight]Join Date: 2003-11-18Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
edited September 2008
<!--quoteo(post=1687333:date=Sep 4 2008, 01:10 AM:name=eediot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eediot @ Sep 4 2008, 01:10 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687333"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Dunno, how many times do we have to repeat ourselves until you stop ranting blindly and actually appreciate the meaning of our arguments? You are not correct in the scope of this discussion and steadfast refusal to change your bigotry isn't impressing anyone. Between two equally popular projects, the open source software will have a much greater pool of developmental progress, i.e more code, more fixes, more plug-ins, more everything. That affects it.
If you'd prefer to stick to your ill-founded mantra, feel free to ctrl + v your heart out. No point overburdening your brain with the exertion necessary to arrive at the <i>correct</i> conclusion.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Everything you are both saying is true.
Open source provides a wider developer base and generally is assumed to lead to programs with less vulnerabilities. This is because anyone with the knowhow can work on it.
To the average user there is no difference between open and closed source. All that you are talking about is under the hood. To someone without the knowhow to contribute, they might as well be using a closed source app. They are unlikely to know about what is going on under the hood and while the security of a browser will affect them regardless, they won't give it a second thought.
The average user is still dependent on others for updates and features. This is how closed and open source are the same.
<!--quoteo(post=1687351:date=Sep 4 2008, 07:31 AM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Sep 4 2008, 07:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687351"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The difference is that open-source will have a wider range of available addons/content/etc. Which can be appreciated by everyone regardless of their programming ability.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is not necessarily true. Both open and closed source browsers can have a plugin system that the community will develop for. Also we know Microsoft can bloat their products with features out the ear. That doesn't mean it's better, and in reality I think this tendency to have more features added is what has tarnished FF3 in my mind's eye. --
Has anyone noticed the spell checker doesn't work in NS forums? It highlights words when they are misspelled but does not give suggestions when I right click.
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<!--quoteo(post=1687357:date=Sep 4 2008, 03:38 PM:name=Psyke)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Psyke @ Sep 4 2008, 03:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687357"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Has anyone noticed the spell checker doesn't work in NS forums? It highlights words when they are misspelled but does not give suggestions when I right click.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> nanites attack your suggestions!
remiremedy [blu.knight]Join Date: 2003-11-18Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
<!--quoteo(post=1687358:date=Sep 4 2008, 09:46 AM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kouji_San @ Sep 4 2008, 09:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687358"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->nanites attack your suggestions!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> It must be the nanites! In other news, google thought I wasn't spelling "societal" correctly... now it seems to. Very odd.
Private_ColemanPhD in Video GamesJoin Date: 2002-11-07Member: 7510Members
So apparently Chrome sends all keystrokes you put into the address box to Google. They are storing 2% of everything users have typed in there along with the IP of whoever typed it. You don't even need to press enter, since it is part of the google suggestion feature.
The way to stop this is to disable suggestions by going to options ->Manage search engine and un-checking the checkbox.
This will also stop Chrome from suggesting sites and searches though <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
<!--quoteo(post=1687401:date=Sep 4 2008, 07:30 PM:name=Private_Coleman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Private_Coleman @ Sep 4 2008, 07:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687401"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So apparently Chrome sends all keystrokes you put into the address box to Google. They are storing 2% of everything users have typed in there along with the IP of whoever typed it. You don't even need to press enter, since it is part of the google suggestion feature.
The way to stop this is to disable suggestions by going to options ->Manage search engine and un-checking the checkbox.
This will also stop Chrome from suggesting sites and searches though <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> *Alert!* Google knows what you are searching!
If Google actually cares what sites I visit, other than for advertising (which I at least understand completely), then I think Google needs to seriously re-evaluate their covert strategy. Unless their covert strategy is to compile a good list of porn and political news stories; if that's the case, they're totally on the ball.
<!--quoteo(post=1687414:date=Sep 5 2008, 05:38 AM:name=moultano)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(moultano @ Sep 5 2008, 05:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687414"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Enter about:internets in chrome, and the true nature of the internet will be revealed. . .<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oho. Been a while since I saw that.
<!--quoteo(post=1687422:date=Sep 5 2008, 01:06 AM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Sep 5 2008, 01:06 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687422"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Enter :% into the address bar and be prepared for awesome...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I fell for it like a bag of potatoes. Is that something left over from testing or what?
<!--quoteo(post=1687431:date=Sep 5 2008, 05:47 AM:name=Haze)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Haze @ Sep 5 2008, 05:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687431"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've noticed that Chrome doesn't handle flash or facebook very well. Especially facebook. Also, the spell checker is fussy and bugged.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, they apparently re-wrote the javascript interpreter for Chrome, and it's not quite up to par with standards yet, but it's supposed to be much more stable.
<!--quoteo(post=1687438:date=Sep 5 2008, 07:34 AM:name=Quaunaut)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quaunaut @ Sep 5 2008, 07:34 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687438"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You can't blame Chrome for you deciding to use social networks.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> He can blame it for not working, though.
<!--quoteo(post=1687431:date=Sep 5 2008, 05:47 AM:name=Haze)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Haze @ Sep 5 2008, 05:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687431"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've noticed that Chrome doesn't handle flash or facebook very well. Especially facebook. Also, the spell checker is fussy and bugged.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, Chrome hates the "New Facebook" a lot. Not that I can blame it, it's pretty much the worst design decision ever.
Private_ColemanPhD in Video GamesJoin Date: 2002-11-07Member: 7510Members
edited September 2008
<!--quoteo(post=1687410:date=Sep 4 2008, 07:49 PM:name=spellman23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(spellman23 @ Sep 4 2008, 07:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687410"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Google is taking over! It's the beginning of the dystopia future! Run for your lives!!!!!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm just saying people should be aware that whatever they type into the address field is logged and sent to Google along with their IP address next to it. I'd prefer to know than not know. Thanks for exaggerating the ###### out of my post though bro.
moultanoCreator of ns_shiva.Join Date: 2002-12-14Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
<!--quoteo(post=1687535:date=Sep 6 2008, 10:24 PM:name=Private_Coleman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Private_Coleman @ Sep 6 2008, 10:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687535"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm just saying people should be aware that whatever they type into the address field is logged and sent to Google along with their IP address next to it. I'd prefer to know than not know. Thanks for exaggerating the ###### out of my post though bro.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's sent to whoever is set to be your default search, not necessarily google. It allows you to autocomplete to things you've never visited, and it's easy to turn off.
<!--quoteo(post=1687445:date=Sep 5 2008, 10:11 AM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Sep 5 2008, 10:11 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687445"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, Chrome hates the "New Facebook" a lot. Not that I can blame it, it's pretty much the worst design decision ever.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Private_ColemanPhD in Video GamesJoin Date: 2002-11-07Member: 7510Members
<!--quoteo(post=1687540:date=Sep 6 2008, 11:59 PM:name=moultano)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(moultano @ Sep 6 2008, 11:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687540"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's sent to whoever is set to be your default search, not necessarily google. It allows you to autocomplete to things you've never visited, and it's easy to turn off.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know. That's why I mentioned how to turn it off.
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Well, usually it's a case of "Hey Lawyers were making a browser draw somethin' up k? k."
I think it could be one better though:
EULA Article 1:
WE GON STEAL YO ######
If you'd prefer to stick to your ill-founded mantra, feel free to ctrl + v your heart out. No point overburdening your brain with the exertion necessary to arrive at the <i>correct</i> conclusion.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Everything you are both saying is true.
Open source provides a wider developer base and generally is assumed to lead to programs with less vulnerabilities. This is because anyone with the knowhow can work on it.
To the average user there is no difference between open and closed source. All that you are talking about is under the hood. To someone without the knowhow to contribute, they might as well be using a closed source app. They are unlikely to know about what is going on under the hood and while the security of a browser will affect them regardless, they won't give it a second thought.
The average user is still dependent on others for updates and features. This is how closed and open source are the same.
<!--quoteo(post=1687351:date=Sep 4 2008, 07:31 AM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Sep 4 2008, 07:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687351"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The difference is that open-source will have a wider range of available addons/content/etc. Which can be appreciated by everyone regardless of their programming ability.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is not necessarily true. Both open and closed source browsers can have a plugin system that the community will develop for.
Also we know Microsoft can bloat their products with features out the ear. That doesn't mean it's better, and in reality I think this tendency to have more features added is what has tarnished FF3 in my mind's eye.
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Has anyone noticed the spell checker doesn't work in NS forums? It highlights words when they are misspelled but does not give suggestions when I right click.
nanites attack your suggestions!
It must be the nanites! In other news, google thought I wasn't spelling "societal" correctly... now it seems to. Very odd.
The way to stop this is to disable suggestions by going to options ->Manage search engine and un-checking the checkbox.
This will also stop Chrome from suggesting sites and searches though <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
The way to stop this is to disable suggestions by going to options ->Manage search engine and un-checking the checkbox.
This will also stop Chrome from suggesting sites and searches though <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
*Alert!*
Google knows what you are searching!
alternately:
[<!--coloro:#4169E1--><span style="color:#4169E1"><!--/coloro-->Citation needed<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->]
Anyways, I've heard good things about it so far. Have yet to try it.
Oho. Been a while since I saw that.
I fell for it like a bag of potatoes. Is that something left over from testing or what?
<!--quoteo(post=1687431:date=Sep 5 2008, 05:47 AM:name=Haze)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Haze @ Sep 5 2008, 05:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1687431"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've noticed that Chrome doesn't handle flash or facebook very well. Especially facebook. Also, the spell checker is fussy and bugged.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, they apparently re-wrote the javascript interpreter for Chrome, and it's not quite up to par with standards yet, but it's supposed to be much more stable.
You can't blame Chrome for you deciding to use social networks.
He can blame it for not working, though.
Yeah, Chrome hates the "New Facebook" a lot. Not that I can blame it, it's pretty much the worst design decision ever.
I'm just saying people should be aware that whatever they type into the address field is logged and sent to Google along with their IP address next to it. I'd prefer to know than not know. Thanks for exaggerating the ###### out of my post though bro.
It's sent to whoever is set to be your default search, not necessarily google. It allows you to autocomplete to things you've never visited, and it's easy to turn off.
I like the new facebook.
I know. That's why I mentioned how to turn it off.