Spectating

Carte BlancheCarte Blanche Join Date: 2008-09-24 Member: 65070Members
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Please add the ability to spectate commanders. It will dramatically soften the commanding learning curve.
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  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    Not a bad idea.

    I'm thinking in the vein of how pro StarCraft systems allow you to watch through the monitor of the player, which would be sweet for replays and training sessions later. But that's just a small part of it.

    In general, it would be a nice feature to be able to view in the comm's viewpoint, maybe even using the same height values, so you can watch the game as a RTS player.
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  • Carte BlancheCarte Blanche Join Date: 2008-09-24 Member: 65070Members
    I love to spectate skilled players, so that I can see how they play. Learning their strategies and tendencies. The ability to spectate commanders would improve not only the skills of the average commander, but the skills of the average marine player because it allows you to learn the strategies and tendencies of your commander more intimately.

    I don't know how difficult or easy it would be to implement spectating commanders, but there are numerous benefits to be had, and it doesn't change gameplay at all.
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  • ryknow69ryknow69 Join Date: 2008-03-24 Member: 63952Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1688811:date=Sep 24 2008, 04:44 PM:name=Carte Blanche)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Carte Blanche @ Sep 24 2008, 04:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1688811"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Please add the ability to spectate commanders. It will dramatically soften the commanding learning curve.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    short, but damn sweet
    I'd love to learn a new trick or two from watching another commander, good for, Smart, Nubs.
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  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    Awful idea! I hate it! Wait, what's your idea? *reads topic*

    Oh wow cool. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

    No really, I like the idea. Don't see why it shouldn't be done except that maybe they'd not want to encourage spectators in ns2. They have that feature as it is now on ns1 and most servers will 'tollerate' it for a couple maps and kick you if you stay there any longer. I've always enjoyed watching others play. Watching skilled players, at least for me, can be just as entertaining as if I played msyelf. Watching a commander with his full insight of the game would be very fun. *gets popcorn*
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  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    edited September 2008
    *Double post* *Double post*

    sorry sorry
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  • ryknow69ryknow69 Join Date: 2008-03-24 Member: 63952Members
    doub...doub...double post, post, post....

    =) cant wait to see this implemented, as it should be for nub learning means.
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  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    ....

    You can go download some pro replays right now if you want. It's a feature that already exists, even though it can get some beefing up and easier UI to use them.

    As it stands, most players don't start looking at replays until they're already past nub level, so I'm not sure about the argument it's good to ease the learning curve for entry into the game. It can help bridge the skill gap to the pro level, though, or just create excitement about the awesome stuff that happens at pro level.
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  • ryknow69ryknow69 Join Date: 2008-03-24 Member: 63952Members
    I would use spectating to learn how to command, you know the mod Empires? I learned how to comm from watching.
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  • Carte BlancheCarte Blanche Join Date: 2008-09-24 Member: 65070Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1688850:date=Sep 25 2008, 01:49 PM:name=spellman23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(spellman23 @ Sep 25 2008, 01:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1688850"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As it stands, most players don't start looking at replays until they're already past nub level, so I'm not sure about the argument it's good to ease the learning curve for entry into the game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    A new player entering the game would learn buttloads about how the game works by spectating a commander even for just one game.
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  • BacillusBacillus Join Date: 2006-11-02 Member: 58241Members
    edited September 2008
    The replays are far from being accessible. First they need to be recorded, most often through the HLTV, then uploaded and then again downloaded and then played through console commands. That's mostly stuff that you can't figure out by yourself unless you're especially looking for it.

    The idea itself is really good. I can't see any reason why it shouldn't be implemented.
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  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1688884:date=Sep 26 2008, 05:34 AM:name=Bacillus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bacillus @ Sep 26 2008, 05:34 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1688884"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The replays are far from being accessible. First they need to be recorded, most often through the HLTV, then uploaded and then again downloaded and then played through console commands. That's mostly stuff that you can't figure out by yourself unless you're especially looking for it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Exactly what I meant by stating the current UI is crap. Sorry if I came off sounding critical, I was just trying to point out it already exists in NS1. It's something that should definitely be allowed and given a lot of power. A powerful replay plus interface would be really sweet, and the ability to directly spectate a commander would be nice as well instead of only being able to follow the on-the-ground players.

    The replay system will also need a stronger free roaming camera, especially one that interfaces with a commander's potential view. Basically, allow the camera to move like in RTS replays, from top down and sliding along the commander's view, but free roaming and not locked to what the real commander did. A general purpose free roaming camera would also be nice, as would first-person cameras. However, I think the commander view replays would be the most powerful if the devs need to prioritize.
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  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    btw, from the archives....

    <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=102877&view=findpost&p=1654545" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...t&p=1654545</a>

    Already partially in the game plan!
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  • PAINPAIN Join Date: 2006-10-31 Member: 58120Members, Constellation
    edited September 2008
    Man. This thread got off topic really quick!

    <!--QuoteBegin-Mzx+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mzx)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The ability to spectate the commander is something we're planning on including in NS2.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I like the idea of spectating the comm. Wouldn't it be better to have it's own thread though? Just a suggestion.
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