<!--quoteo(post=1713238:date=Jun 21 2009, 05:43 AM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thaldarin @ Jun 21 2009, 05:43 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1713238"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm in before the lock. This thread made me lol pretty hard.
Did you all e-mail Eidos and ask that Lara's chest get made bigger, bouncier, curvier? No I didn't think so...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't quite see what you mean. For starters, Lara doesn't wear armor so it doesn't factor into this discussion at all, and second we're asking for LESS conspicuous boobs, not MORE.
Oh and can we stop talking about breast size in general? This discussion is supposed to be about armors forged to look like breasts. We could absolutely have a big-breasted character in armor without having the armor look like a sculpture of boobs.
Pic examples speak better than words:
Bad female chestplate: <a href="http://www.sithvixen.com/starwars/femtrooper.html" target="_blank">http://www.sithvixen.com/starwars/femtrooper.html</a>
In NS2 the armor will be TIGHT though (unlike medieval armors) ... so there'll definately be at least *some* half-barrel shape protruding out for the breasts.
But MAN those pics were embarrassingly hard to google... I basically *had* to write "female armor SCA" ... if I just wrote "female armor" most of the results I got were of BIKINIS, not armors... *shakes head*
I don't know if you people know Battle Angel Alita, but there is a Cyborg Technology that allows a Body to be adjusted according to personal needs and Characteristics, such as Gender and Size.
I draw a similarity here, else it would be near impossible to change from Vanilla to Heavy Armor.
<!--quoteo(post=1713214:date=Jun 21 2009, 12:59 PM:name=Scythe)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scythe @ Jun 21 2009, 12:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1713214"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If you had your way the Mona Lisa would've had her boobs out.
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If I had my way Mona Lisa would have DD-cups and wearing a bikini.
As for the armour, they have to have boobs large enough to be noticeable from a distance. Like many others have said, the shape only needs to be some sort of a bulge, maybe a half-barrel. As long as we can tell that those are boobs and not huge manly pecs, it's totally fine. On the other hand, Heavy Armour can be the same for both sexes. I think Heavy Armour with boobs would be ugly.
As a career alien player (and female), I say give female marines DD cup sizes so that the young (read virgin) marine players stare at them all the time, making them easy targets for us, aliens...har har har
<!--quoteo(post=1713231:date=Jun 21 2009, 03:35 AM:name=Ryo-Ohki)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ryo-Ohki @ Jun 21 2009, 03:35 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1713231"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Speaking for myself at least, a don't play a game to become aroused.
Throwing giant bazongas on female characters attracts, in many people's opinion, including mine, the wrong type of player. There's also somewhat of a stigma attached to it, going all the way back to the days of Tomb Raider, where the game was remembered far more for it's main character's huge tracts of land rather than the gameplay. As others have pointed out, it breaks immersion when you've got a game that takes itself seriously with the exception that it's females look like Swedish porn stars. It overshadows other game aspects.
Now as some have said, why bother putting them in if they're going to look only marginally dissimilar to male models? Players like variety and choice, no matter how small. Quite aside from the visual aspect however, there's the aural element as well; female marines will sound different.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, it has nothing to do with hormones from my point of view.
I couldn't care less whether someone chose the male or female model, but as per your comment, if someone did choose to be a female character, I'd like them to be distinguished enough that there's a point to having the option there in the first place. And you don't have to become "aroused" to appreciate the female form, that's just a sad, basic perspective to take.
So one obvious way of making them seem feminine, with natural feminine features, rather than blending them with the males, is to make the breastplate more fitting. Now most women- particularly in America, have an ample bosom. It's all part of our genetics, it's certainly not something that belongs in the gutter.
So why go against nature here, merely to conform to some rather delicate sensibilities? You're not doing any girls any favours, ordinary girls are more than happy to show or discuss their busts.
And most guys are happy for them to do so too. From what I've noticed, It's only guys 'online' that express offence at it (and feminists), because they really have no concept of how everyday girls truly see themselves. Sure, you might be trying to be noble, because objectifying women is bad too. But just as bad is taking the completely polar approach and creating an adrogynous view of women . I guarantee you, you'd struggle to find even 1 real woman who'd like to be forced into a man's chest armour.
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<!--quoteo(post=1713256:date=Jun 21 2009, 01:41 PM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thaldarin @ Jun 21 2009, 01:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1713256"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Oh hell I'll just go ahead and say it..
Armor probably is constructed in a similar way as the weapons/buildings etc... Just a design pattern to be used for the nanites to program themselves into. Most likely very easily adaptable to each and every marines needs... Female's that have somewhat larger then average breasts would probably prefer support in that area, if they are to do combat vs the Kaahra... Externally this wouldn't have to be visible on the marine armor. But hey, it can be like the concept art. You know to show some difference vs the males, this is a game after all and the need to play as a female character seems to be there. Why not have them look a little bit different, like the concept art...
Also, why even have this topic. Judging from the very concept art there is no need to worry about seeing a barely dressed DDD chest size. Where did this conclusion come from O.o"
<!--quoteo(post=1713266:date=Jun 21 2009, 07:58 AM:name=Windburn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Windburn @ Jun 21 2009, 07:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1713266"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You're not doing any girls any favours, ordinary girls are more than happy to show or discuss their busts.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Those are not ordinary girls, belive it or not. Makes me wonder what kind of girls you know and also makes me question your maturity.
<!--quoteo(post=1713266:date=Jun 21 2009, 08:58 AM:name=Windburn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Windburn @ Jun 21 2009, 08:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1713266"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Actually, it has nothing to do with hormones from my point of view.
I couldn't care less whether someone chose the male or female model, but as per your comment, if someone did choose to be a female character, I'd like them to be distinguished enough that there's a point to having the option there in the first place. And you don't have to become "aroused" to appreciate the female form, that's just a sad, basic perspective to take.
So one obvious way of making them seem feminine, with natural feminine features, rather than blending them with the males, is to make the breastplate more fitting. Now most women- particularly in America, have an ample bosom. It's all part of our genetics, it's certainly not something that belongs in the gutter.
So why go against nature here, merely to conform to some rather delicate sensibilities? You're not doing any girls any favours, ordinary girls are more than happy to show or discuss their busts.
And most guys are happy for them to do so too. From what I've noticed, It's only guys 'online' that express offence at it (and feminists), because they really have no concept of how everyday girls truly see themselves. Sure, you might be trying to be noble, because objectifying women is bad too. But just as bad is taking the completely polar approach and creating an adrogynous view of women . I guarantee you, you'd struggle to find even 1 real woman who'd like to be forced into a man's chest armour.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I really don't know what you're going on about. The point that Ryo-Ohki was making is that pronounced boobs / pronounced female figures have a stigma attached to it and in a 'realistic' or 'serious' game like NS it detracts from both the immersion and the art direction. You then went on some rant about feminists and how well you know women IRL (<i>clearly</i>).
Women who sign up to have a front line combat role physically cannot have that 'classically beautiful' female figure. They have to meet the same standards as their male counterparts. They have to be able to carry some guy who weights 160 pounds with 60 pounds of armor/gear on their backs. You can't do that <i>and</i> look like a super model. That's where the complaints come in. Due to how unrealistic is it, it breaks the feel of the game to have a bunch of able bodied males next to slender and sexy females.
<!--quoteo(post=1713270:date=Jun 21 2009, 08:18 AM:name=SentrySteve)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SentrySteve @ Jun 21 2009, 08:18 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1713270"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Women who sign up to have a front line combat role physically cannot have that 'classically beautiful' female figure. They have to meet the same standards as their male counterparts. They have to be able to carry some guy who weights 160 pounds with 60 pounds of armor/gear on their backs. You can't do that <i>and</i> look like a super model. That's where the complaints come in. Due to how unrealistic is it, it breaks the feel of the game to have a bunch of able bodied males next to slender and sexy females.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, natural selection is oh-so realistic. Those aliens are actually swine-flu mutated rabid animals that have escaped from the local zoo. In fact, the whole thing really is set only a few years from now.
Please. You're bordering on lunacy. If you want realism, go play a flight sim, or second life, or something equally as mundane. What I was merely inferring, which you're obviously incapable of comprehending without jumping to fanciful conclusions, is that there is absolutely no need to sterilise females in game as much as has been said in this thread. It's just dumb, to be honest. And sooo not realistic, if we actually want them to be females, and not some futuristic a-sexual malea without penises.
I'm here for a fun action game, not to criticise <i>precisely</i> how the game is so unrealistic, because no one aims at the hip anymore. If female armour has comfort in mind, using futuristic molded <i>whatever it might be</i>, then so be it.
And with all the nanite technology, there's absolutely no proformer at all for what the typical person <i>has</i> to look like.
Now, If you're shot by a soldier with breasts, or you're shot by a grisly old codger, you're still dead.
regarding the OP... well personally I loved cory's concept, but it might work just as well to have a sportsbra type molding to the chest armor with a single broad convexity rather than 2 individual bilateral moldings, but keeping the same size as now
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Did you all e-mail Eidos and ask that Lara's chest get made bigger, bouncier, curvier? No I didn't think so...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't quite see what you mean. For starters, Lara doesn't wear armor so it doesn't factor into this discussion at all, and second we're asking for LESS conspicuous boobs, not MORE.
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Pic examples speak better than words:
Bad female chestplate:
<a href="http://www.sithvixen.com/starwars/femtrooper.html" target="_blank">http://www.sithvixen.com/starwars/femtrooper.html</a>
Good female chestplates:
<a href="http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Womens_Full_Leather_Arm_Armor_BTS-2132-F.html" target="_blank">http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Women...BTS-2132-F.html</a>
<a href="http://her-sca-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/lamellar-armor.jpg" target="_blank">http://her-sca-blog.com/wp-content/uploads...ellar-armor.jpg</a>
<a href="http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Leather_Scale_Armour_Set_BTS-4101.html" target="_blank">http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Leath...t_BTS-4101.html</a>
In NS2 the armor will be TIGHT though (unlike medieval armors) ... so there'll definately be at least *some* half-barrel shape protruding out for the breasts.
But MAN those pics were embarrassingly hard to google... I basically *had* to write "female armor SCA" ... if I just wrote "female armor" most of the results I got were of BIKINIS, not armors... *shakes head*
I draw a similarity here, else it would be near impossible to change from Vanilla to Heavy Armor.
Read: I believe that the Marines are Cyborgs.
Nanites.
--Scythe--<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If I had my way Mona Lisa would have DD-cups and wearing a bikini.
As for the armour, they have to have boobs large enough to be noticeable from a distance. Like many others have said, the shape only needs to be some sort of a bulge, maybe a half-barrel. As long as we can tell that those are boobs and not huge manly pecs, it's totally fine. On the other hand, Heavy Armour can be the same for both sexes. I think Heavy Armour with boobs would be ugly.
Throwing giant bazongas on female characters attracts, in many people's opinion, including mine, the wrong type of player. There's also somewhat of a stigma attached to it, going all the way back to the days of Tomb Raider, where the game was remembered far more for it's main character's huge tracts of land rather than the gameplay. As others have pointed out, it breaks immersion when you've got a game that takes itself seriously with the exception that it's females look like Swedish porn stars. It overshadows other game aspects.
Now as some have said, why bother putting them in if they're going to look only marginally dissimilar to male models? Players like variety and choice, no matter how small. Quite aside from the visual aspect however, there's the aural element as well; female marines will sound different.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, it has nothing to do with hormones from my point of view.
I couldn't care less whether someone chose the male or female model, but as per your comment, if someone did choose to be a female character, I'd like them to be distinguished enough that there's a point to having the option there in the first place. And you don't have to become "aroused" to appreciate the female form, that's just a sad, basic perspective to take.
So one obvious way of making them seem feminine, with natural feminine features, rather than blending them with the males, is to make the breastplate more fitting. Now most women- particularly in America, have an ample bosom. It's all part of our genetics, it's certainly not something that belongs in the gutter.
So why go against nature here, merely to conform to some rather delicate sensibilities?
You're not doing any girls any favours, ordinary girls are more than happy to show or discuss their busts.
And most guys are happy for them to do so too. From what I've noticed, It's only guys 'online' that express offence at it (and feminists), because they really have no concept of how everyday girls truly see themselves. Sure, you might be trying to be noble, because objectifying women is bad too. But just as bad is taking the completely polar approach and creating an adrogynous view of women
.
I guarantee you, you'd struggle to find even 1 real woman who'd like to be forced into a man's chest armour.
Nanites.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This!
Armor probably is constructed in a similar way as the weapons/buildings etc... Just a design pattern to be used for the nanites to program themselves into. Most likely very easily adaptable to each and every marines needs... Female's that have somewhat larger then average breasts would probably prefer support in that area, if they are to do combat vs the Kaahra... Externally this wouldn't have to be visible on the marine armor. But hey, it can be like the concept art. You know to show some difference vs the males, this is a game after all and the need to play as a female character seems to be there. Why not have them look a little bit different, like the concept art...
Also, why even have this topic. Judging from the very concept art there is no need to worry about seeing a barely dressed DDD chest size. Where did this conclusion come from O.o"
Those are not ordinary girls, belive it or not. Makes me wonder what kind of girls you know and also makes me question your maturity.
I couldn't care less whether someone chose the male or female model, but as per your comment, if someone did choose to be a female character, I'd like them to be distinguished enough that there's a point to having the option there in the first place. And you don't have to become "aroused" to appreciate the female form, that's just a sad, basic perspective to take.
So one obvious way of making them seem feminine, with natural feminine features, rather than blending them with the males, is to make the breastplate more fitting. Now most women- particularly in America, have an ample bosom. It's all part of our genetics, it's certainly not something that belongs in the gutter.
So why go against nature here, merely to conform to some rather delicate sensibilities?
You're not doing any girls any favours, ordinary girls are more than happy to show or discuss their busts.
And most guys are happy for them to do so too. From what I've noticed, It's only guys 'online' that express offence at it (and feminists), because they really have no concept of how everyday girls truly see themselves. Sure, you might be trying to be noble, because objectifying women is bad too. But just as bad is taking the completely polar approach and creating an adrogynous view of women
.
I guarantee you, you'd struggle to find even 1 real woman who'd like to be forced into a man's chest armour.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I really don't know what you're going on about. The point that Ryo-Ohki was making is that pronounced boobs / pronounced female figures have a stigma attached to it and in a 'realistic' or 'serious' game like NS it detracts from both the immersion and the art direction. You then went on some rant about feminists and how well you know women IRL (<i>clearly</i>).
Women who sign up to have a front line combat role physically cannot have that 'classically beautiful' female figure. They have to meet the same standards as their male counterparts. They have to be able to carry some guy who weights 160 pounds with 60 pounds of armor/gear on their backs. You can't do that <i>and</i> look like a super model. That's where the complaints come in. Due to how unrealistic is it, it breaks the feel of the game to have a bunch of able bodied males next to slender and sexy females.
Yes, natural selection is oh-so realistic.
Those aliens are actually swine-flu mutated rabid animals that have escaped from the local zoo.
In fact, the whole thing really is set only a few years from now.
Please. You're bordering on lunacy.
If you want realism, go play a flight sim, or second life, or something equally as mundane.
What I was merely inferring, which you're obviously incapable of comprehending without jumping to fanciful conclusions, is that there is absolutely no need to sterilise females in game as much as has been said in this thread. It's just dumb, to be honest. And sooo not realistic, if we actually want them to be females, and not some futuristic a-sexual malea without penises.
I'm here for a fun action game, not to criticise <i>precisely</i> how the game is so unrealistic, because no one aims at the hip anymore.
If female armour has comfort in mind, using futuristic molded <i>whatever it might be</i>, then so be it.
And with all the nanite technology, there's absolutely no proformer at all for what the typical person <i>has</i> to look like.
Now, If you're shot by a soldier with breasts, or you're shot by a grisly old codger, you're still dead.
You're pro as hell at ignoring points and just replying with gibberish.
NS has a realistic art direction. Something that isn't realistic would break that art direction.
<a href="http://www.sithvixen.com/starwars/femtrooper.html" target="_blank">http://www.sithvixen.com/starwars/femtrooper.html</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bahaha what on earth is that.
"This suit of armor was designed by Richie several years ago for his daughter."
anyone else find that INCREDIBLY creepy?
regarding the OP... well personally I loved cory's concept, but it might work just as well to have a sportsbra type molding to the chest armor with a single broad convexity rather than 2 individual bilateral moldings, but keeping the same size as now