Text Messaging While Driving - Is It Dangerous?

DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
<div class="IPBDescription">government is trying to enact legislation to ban it</div>It seems recent studies have revealed that texting while driving is more dangerous than drunk drivers. As a result (or perhaps not) the federal government is trying to enact legislation that would ban it... states that refuse to comply would be denied federal funding.

I'm not sure if this problem is as bad "across the pond" but it sure is getting a lot of press over here.

Are measures as extreme as this necessary?


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  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    No, texting while driving falls under reckless driving, which is illegal in all 50 states anyway.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    edited July 2009
    "Those who would sacrifice freedom to gain security deserve neither freedom nor security." I've always liked that phrase. But it is not a hard and fast rule. Traffic laws are a good example of sacrificing freedom to gain security (or rather safety), and I'm sure we all agree that you shouldn't have the freedom to drive on whichever side of the road you like, or ignore traffic lights.

    "Across the pond" is a broad definition, including many different countries without unified laws, but I am fairly certain both Denmark and Germany have heavy restrictions on cellphone usage while driving. You're allowed to talk on the phone using a headset, a speaker & mic setup or whatever else keeps your hands free, but the moment you're holding a cellphone to your ear or, even worse, taking your eyes off the road to type a text message, you're violating traffic laws.
    Stick shifts are also far more widespread than automatics here (I believe it's the reverse in the U.S.), so you do need two hands to fully operate your vehicle.

    In the interest of public safety, drivers owe the road their full attention. Asking them to find somewhere to safely stop their vehicle before diverting their attention away from a situation that they can turn lethal in a split-second shouldn't even be necessary.
  • BadMouthBadMouth It ceases to be exclusive when you can have a custom member titl Join Date: 2004-05-21 Member: 28815Members
    I think it is necessary. Texting whilst driving breaks the driver's concentration, no matter how good at multi-tasking you are. As long as you are not 100% focused on driving, you are a danger on the road. 99% isn't even good enough. And come to think of it, they should ban all the other silly things that people do in cars that distract them. i.e. put on makeup, eating messy sandwiches, consulting a map as you are driving.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    The title of this thread is "is it dangerous" but the question you ask is a different one. I can say that yes, it's dangerous, but you ask whether we should make it illegal, and the answer is yes, we should, for the same reason we make driving drunk illegal. When you're doing something that has the potential to injure or kill not just yourself but multiple innoncent people, you should be breaking the law. Texting while driving is only a freedom in the broadest sense of the word. Nobody's making it illegal to pull over to the side of the road and text, or use a voice to speech text messager (which doesn't exist, I guess, but I'm sure they will someday) or anything like that. The only thing we're making illegal is engaging in a dangerous activity that is proven to have a deleterious effect ont he skills you need to utilize to keep from maiming or killing your fellow citizen.
  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Texting while driving is illegal here in Ireland, in fact, operating a phone at all is illegal when driving. You can answer a phone on a hands free kit, but you can't dial a call if it requires yo to hold a device in your hand ( i.e. voice dialing is allowed ).

    If you need to operate anything that isn't integrated onto your dashboard, pull over.

    I don't understand why these measures can even be considered extreme. It's just basic safety legislation.

    <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/technology/21distracted.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/technolo...distracted.html</a>


    Furthermore, several tests demonstrate that someone operating a mobile phone while driving is as impaired as someone just over the legal alcohol limit. This is based on Irish values, which allow for more blood alcohol than continental europe, but less than in the US. There is craploads of research on this. The debate is long over here in Europe on the matter. I'm actually surprised than anyone can even consider this an extreme measure. If you support using your mobile phone while driving, then you support increasing the blood alcohol limit by a factor of at least 2, based on experimental evidence.
  • TesseractTesseract Join Date: 2007-06-21 Member: 61328Members, Constellation
    You're seriously asking us if texting while driving is dangerous? Why not phrase this as "is 'driving without looking at where you're going and with at least one hand off the wheel at any one time to press buttons on a phone while not really focusing on either one' dangerous?" And should it be illegal? My friend, that shouldn't even be a question.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Hey, he may just be playing the devil's advocate. It got the discussion going. Don't jump to conclusions.
  • TesseractTesseract Join Date: 2007-06-21 Member: 61328Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1720108:date=Jul 30 2009, 05:13 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lolfighter @ Jul 30 2009, 05:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1720108"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Don't jump to conclusions.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    literally smirked at this
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    lolfighter lies, it doesn't take 2 hands to control a stick shift vehicle ♥


    texting while driving is stupid, inane, not only are you taking your eyes of the road cause you have to look at your text your also engaging your brain. Double distraction whammy
  • TesseractTesseract Join Date: 2007-06-21 Member: 61328Members, Constellation
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1720108:date=Jul 30 2009, 12:13 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lolfighter @ Jul 30 2009, 12:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1720108"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hey, he may just be playing the devil's advocate. It got the discussion going. Don't jump to conclusions.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not much of a discussion. Everyone so far has agreed that texting while driving should be illegal.
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    I'm rather surprised myself, as popular as this practice is that more haven't discounted the danger factor. If everyone thinks it's either stupid, dangerous, or should be illegal than who in the hell is out there doing it?

    ... no one that frequents these forums, I guess, lol.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    People who consider themselves good drivers might think that it's acceptable - after all, it merely lowers them to the level of the average guy on the road, so it can't be that bad.
    However, swedish professor Ola Svenson did a <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V5T-45XSMNG-33&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=4556b89791f4b9682108893f878c742c" target="_blank">study</a> in the 80s in which:

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->[...]subjects were asked about their competence as drivers in relation to a group of drivers. The results showed that a majority of subjects regarded themselves as more skillful and less risky than the average driver in each group respectively.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    In short, people might think that you shouldn't use cellphones in the car, but that it's "okay just this once" or similar justfications. What you agree on when you sit down quietly at home browsing the forums may be very different from your actions in the spur of the moment. After all, that call was very important and traffic wasn't very heavy and you were being extra attentive to compensate.
  • TesseractTesseract Join Date: 2007-06-21 Member: 61328Members, Constellation
    edited July 2009
    A study in the 80s concluded that people think they're better than other people so when I'm in a situation where I need to devote 100% of my attention to my surroundings I might suddenly get hit by the brilliant notion that I should divert my attention crotchwards where my good buddy Jonny Smallballs has texted me about the latest episode of Queer Eye for the Straight guy. Shortly afterwards when my clearly clueless arse has wound up in jail because in the process of texting back I managed to modify the bone structure of some young children with the bonnet of my car, I will justify this by saying that I never advocated the action in the first place but I "didn't know" how I would react in the real world and, well, would you look at that, I have turned my back on rational thinking because the text was "oh so important."

    After all, when I say with full confidence that I will never be able to fly, in reality I may one day get the magical power and float away to the sugary rainbow world where everything will be right and merry. When that day comes, I will realise the error of my ways in condemning the concept of the power of flight and also in the ability to juggle driving and texting.

    edit: grammars
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1720157:date=Jul 30 2009, 03:58 PM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Depot @ Jul 30 2009, 03:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1720157"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm rather surprised myself, as popular as this practice is that more haven't discounted the danger factor. If everyone thinks it's either stupid, dangerous, or should be illegal than who in the hell is out there doing it?

    ... no one that frequents these forums, I guess, lol.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Do you actually have trouble understanding why anyone would do something that almost everyone agrees is stupid, dangerous, and/or illegal? Is driving drunk dumb? Is suicide bombing dumb? Is smocking crack cocaine dumb? Is shooting at a police officer dumb? Can you truly not conceive of a world in which people do things they ought not to do?
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    No, I have trouble understanding why so many won't admit they do it. <img src="http://www.nsmod.org/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1720172:date=Jul 30 2009, 09:17 PM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Depot @ Jul 30 2009, 09:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1720172"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No, I have trouble understanding why so many won't admit they do it. <img src="http://www.nsmod.org/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Possibly because you are bugging the wrong demographic about this?

    hell, show of hands:
    How many people use text messaging a lot (I mean that in the "if you didn't have an unlimited plan you just bought <telco> owners a few new yachts")
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <img src="http://www.nsmod.org/forums/style_emoticons/default/no2.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1720173:date=Jul 30 2009, 09:23 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thansal @ Jul 30 2009, 09:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1720173"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Possibly because you are bugging the wrong demographic about this?

    hell, show of hands:
    How many people use text messaging a lot (I mean that in the "if you didn't have an unlimited plan you just bought <telco> owners a few new yachts")<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    *raises hand* but only due to fiancee
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    I've never even sent a text message.
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1720181:date=Jul 30 2009, 11:22 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 30 2009, 11:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1720181"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've never even sent a text message.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You're not old enough to drive, are you?
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    Sure, make it illegal. Course, I'd rather live in a society of responsible citizens who are smart enough to understand that it's dangerous as hell and don't do it anyway.

    I find that a few simple rules can take the place of all these problems:

    <u>Maintain control of your vehicle</u>
    No tailgating, leave enough room between you and the vehicle ahead of you for your speed (3 seconds they say), use the proper speed for the road conditions, don't fly around blind turns like a man on fire

    <u>Be aware of what's around you</u>
    No running over road workers, check your blind spot, no texting, no drinking, etc

    <u>Try to have a positive effect on traffic OR Be nice OR my version of defensive driving</u>
    Try not to assist in running someone off the road who needs to merge because of a lane is ending or something, pass on the left, drive on the right (or the other way around if you're from one of those crazy places), tailgating also falls under here because of the road rage it induces

    In fact, I think tailgating is the single most dangerous thing any driver can do. [/Rant]
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1720202:date=Jul 31 2009, 09:18 AM:name=Rob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rob @ Jul 31 2009, 09:18 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1720202"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><u>Try to have a positive effect on traffic OR Be nice OR <b>my version of defensive driving</b></u><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That made me laugh, but overall I agree.

    If you're going slower than the speed of traffic don't hang out in the left lane.
    Don't pass on the right.
    Don't tailgate.

    If people actually followed these rules driving on the highways would be so much nicer.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1720196:date=Jul 31 2009, 05:38 AM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Depot @ Jul 31 2009, 05:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1720196"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You're not old enough to drive, are you?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm 20.
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    ;_; I'm older than tychoo
  • DepotDepot The ModFather Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1720227:date=Jul 31 2009, 12:21 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 31 2009, 12:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1720227"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm 20.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    My grandson is 21. He is a text-ho.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1720258:date=Jul 31 2009, 07:51 PM:name=Depot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Depot @ Jul 31 2009, 07:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1720258"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My grandson is 21. He is a text-ho.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Amazing! Does he text while driving? If he does, I'd stop him, because the worst case scenario is he hits a bus full of orphans on their way to volunteer at a shelter for kittens. Best case scenario, he exposes himself as the kind of person who cares more about text messaging than not accidentally slamming into a car driven by a pregnant woman.
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1720096:date=Jul 30 2009, 04:25 PM:name=puzl)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (puzl @ Jul 30 2009, 04:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1720096"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Texting while driving is illegal here in Ireland, in fact, operating a phone at all is illegal when driving. You can answer a phone on a hands free kit, but you can't dial a call if it requires yo to hold a device in your hand ( i.e. voice dialing is allowed ).

    If you need to operate anything that isn't integrated onto your dashboard, pull over.

    I don't understand why these measures can even be considered extreme. It's just basic safety legislation.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I thought that was legislation in the UK, Ireland and a handful of countries in Europe already enforced this?
  • BadMouthBadMouth It ceases to be exclusive when you can have a custom member titl Join Date: 2004-05-21 Member: 28815Members
    It's a funny thing that you cannot hold a handphone whilst you are driving but you can use the earpiece/mouthpiece to talk. My mum obeys this rule but that kind of makes her more dangerous when she's driving. Since she unplugs the earpiece from the phone everytime she ends a call, whenever a new calls comes in, she would have to untangle all the wires and replug it in.
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