I have a few small problems

MartMart Origin of SUYF Join Date: 2002-02-26 Member: 248Members
<div class="IPBDescription">No really i have...</div>Problem 1: I'm stuck at school.

Problem 2: They recently installed a new proxy server that prevents you from doing anything, running AIM, MSN, even Trillian & Opera.

Problem 3: Redownloading Opera made it work because of it's auto-detecting proxy function. Copying the proxy address from Opera to Trillian doesn't work.

Problem 4: Keep in mind I have absolutly no knowledge of proxy servers so if I've said something mind numbingly stupid then excuse it.

Problem 5: I need to know the proxy address and port number my school uses so I can get trillian to work... are there any third party programs I can download or anything like that which will tell me what I need to know so that I don't have to go see the administrator... since like hell he'll give it to me.

¬Mart

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  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    If find that Languard's freeware network scanner is pretty useful for this sort of thing. It can even tell you about the purpose of nodes on the network, based on a bit flag from how it responds, as well as the ports it has open. Grab a copy

    <a href="http://www.gfi.com/languard/lanscan.htm" target="_blank">Here</a>



    <!--EDIT|MonsieurEvil|Mar. 18 2002,13:54-->
  • InfamousInfamous Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 127Members
    Weve got this crap at our school called "Bess" which is a net filter, and it sucks bigtime. Any ideas to get around that? A.K.A like a website that you can view other pages through? we had www.safeweb.com last year, but they shut that down. <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo-->
  • Spyder_MonkeySpyder_Monkey Vampire-Ninja-Monkey Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 8Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    They tried that on my base. Make sure that you can't get to safeweb by using <a href="http://safeweb.com/index.html" target="_blank">http://safeweb.com/index.html</a>

    Our admins forgot to block the main page, and only blocked the front. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
  • pielemuispielemuis Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 72Members, NS1 Playtester
    wow monsE thx for that link, it's jsut what i need <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
    i had probs gettign my proxies right, it works now, btu with this tool i can scan for open ports 2!
    BTW WB Spyder, it seems like a long time since I last saw you here
  • KassingerKassinger Shades of grey Join Date: 2002-02-20 Member: 229Members, Constellation
    I happen to be on a network where my internet traffic goes through a proxy too. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->

    Thanks!
  • ComproxComprox *chortle* Canada Join Date: 2002-01-23 Member: 7Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    My school must have insanely tight security <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo--> NS.org is blocked (games category) and many other sites which I could visit last year. We can only save into ONE folder or the desktop, and we only have permission to run programs in certain folders. We can't even write to any main windows directories! Also, right click is disabled, and I even tried getting to system properties the long way, but those are all locked up.

    Any .exe that we download usually can't be run, because there isnt permission to. We found a way around that (*loves MS security*). We would just run it through the "Preview in Browser" option in FrontPage 2000.

    The security is a load of BS. I complained because even when I am doing projects at school, useful sites that I visited from home are firewall'd at school. Heck, they even had the UN site blocked under "Misc" once?!? Unfortunately, ALL school connections are routed through a main server at the school divison headquarters and they run the internet firewall, so I can't locally bust past it. Some sites (ie. gamespot) have only the main page blocked like Spyder said, but most have the whole thing blocked.
    Some more info: When the school server died one day, I logged in, and alot of the security was off or non-existant. It seems alot is run from the server. I could right-click, get into system properties and all that. I tried pulling out the network cable and loggin in, but it just complains it can't make contact with the server. Heck, even our version of Windows NT is only running service pack 4.
    Sheesh, long rant I got going here...

    On to the questions:
    1 - Any idea how to get by the firewall for the internet? I think it is... Web Sense.
    2 - Any idea how to get in system properties (just so I can change color settings and resolution, 800x600 is way too damn small)
    3 - Any idea about getting right click to work?
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Besides safeweb, there is also <a href="http://www.megaproxy.com" target="_blank">Megaproxy.com</a> (recent rescuer of many a user who couldn't reach RR.org during the server move).

    No prob, Interfector - just don't go hacking anyone with that thing!

    Woo dogee Comp - they have gone the way of the Group Policy Lockdown with User Profiles. Done correctly, it can be terminal to a school user trying to get a days 'puting in. What OS are they using on all these PC's? The reason that the policies didn't work when that server was down was probably that they use domain-based, server-side policies rather than local machine ones.

    The easiest way around that is to logon with a non-domain ID. you could also try running gpedit.msc (if win2000) or poledit.exe (if WinNT4), and see if they bothered to lock those down - once you get into them, you'll see how they are used to restrict access. Also, if they still let you run regedit.exe (they better not&#33<!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->, then you can find any HKEY_Current_User keys marked 'GroupPolicy' and delete them to unlock most of the PC.

    As for their websense server, that is a wacky kind of combo product that is mostly used to restrict site access. It's not a true firewall or proxy - more of an in-between. If they have it in-between your LAN and DMZ/internet routers, you're kinda screwed. Look for backdoor circuits and proxy servers with a port/network scanner - often times the IT guys themselves will have one as a failover, and for unrestricted surfing for themselves.

    I have no idea on earth why they would lock down the context menu (rt-click). That's just plain spiteful, as it's extremely useful and doesn't contain anything that an application itself doesn't already have.

    Finally, you could just find some pictures of the head of IT with a goat and get yourself unrestricted in a hurry.

    <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
  • ComproxComprox *chortle* Canada Join Date: 2002-01-23 Member: 7Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    ROFL! *goes to find pictures*
    Well, we are running NT4, Ill try that poledit.exe, where could I find it? Also, there is no run option in the start menu, cant even get into DOS, sheesh. Our school is locked up tighter than Fort Knox. Heck, from the divison router in, we cant ping/tracert anything. I have scanned the thing over and over. Not a single bloody port seems to be open, and I dont know how!

    I must admit, the one time I logged in when the server was down we had some "fun". They use online attendance system, so we went in and just replaced some pictures and words (nothing major). "Welcome to this school's poor attendance system" "If a student is away, please choose "he is skipping"" <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
  • MartMart Origin of SUYF Join Date: 2002-02-26 Member: 248Members
    They disabled the right clicking on my schools network too, but thankfully my sociology teacher is a slow typer and it gave me a chance to memorise her user name and log in...

    Unfortunatly she doesn't have access to any of the admin functions...

    Ok, I got the program but I have no idea what any of the information on my screen means. Which of it is relevant to finding the proxy port and address of the server?
  • hArkhArk Join Date: 2002-01-26 Member: 92Members
    Ok well we where restricted from every thing now due to someone viewing some hard core porn while a mother brought in a 4 year old kid in to the computer room
    Sued tafe and all hell broke lose my friend got on student counsel to get it removed because the admin did not resource the product before buying it for it blocks out almost every thing (literally)
  • FamFam Diaper-Wearing Dog On A Ball Join Date: 2002-02-17 Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Same here, they have installed WinSuite, which locks down The start menu, the clock, the desktop, they have a external proxy service that checks the content of sites against both a list of predenied and also processes each site for forbidden words and in internal Firewall which blocks ports. They even locked DOS, network settings, hid hard drives, and installed software to view any monitor from a admin machine. Installing new components is not allowed (although it can be done if you think sideways).

    The first I got around by making my own clock and File manager in C++, the second we have yet to figure out. We have got to all the funky things in DOS (Computer->Computer Messaging) using another funky program designed by our 'in house team', and we reconfigured the software that stops you from using certain programs so it killed the Spyware on startup. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->

    As for installing other programs, you have to get ti all ready beforehand, file strucures and all, then copy the whole thing onto the Hard drive.

    Im still looking for an IRC client that works, as Java has been disabled, and it is not possible to install mIRC, etc.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mart+Mar. 19 2002,04:37--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Mart @ Mar. 19 2002,04:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ok, I got the program but I have no idea what any of the information on my screen means. Which of it is relevant to finding the proxy port and address of the server?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, you want to use it scan for servers with open ports. Can you get to your browser proxy config and see what port they specified for proxy server? Once you know that, you can start scanning the network for servers with that port open - usually there won't be that many proxy servers around, as they are trying to control access.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Of course, you could always just bring in your own copy of Windows 2000/NT4, install it parallel (and hidden in a subdir), remove the entries from the boot loader, and use a flpooy disk to boot into it when you felt like it. They probably wouldn't figure it out for weeks...
  • liquidscriptliquidscript Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 35Members, Constellation
    lol, you all are just like the group of friends i hang out with at my schoool.  always hacking around with the schools pc's.  <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> good times
  • DruBoDruBo Back In Beige Join Date: 2002-02-06 Member: 172Members, NS1 Playtester
    Mart, it's a microsoft proxy server, right? if it is, they made their own program that opens the gates up right for you, by re-routing all net traffic through port 80 (the http port). It's bundled with the proxy server program, so you can't download it off of the MS website, but I can DCC it to you. (it's about 2 megs.) It'll add a control panel plugin, but you can shortcut it on the desktop. Just enter in the name of your proxy server, the port number (usually 80, but MonsE's program will help you make sure), and you're set! you don't even need to enter in proxy information in your other programs.

    I use it for Trillian, Download Accelerator, AIM, and any Kazaa-style programs I use. But it has to be a microsoft proxy server, otherwise it won't work.
  • MartMart Origin of SUYF Join Date: 2002-02-26 Member: 248Members
    I'm not actually sure if it's a microsoft proxy or one provided by the company who set up the system and provided all the computers (RM).

    In the meantime i've managed to distract those who care by installing DooM 1 and 2 and playing that instead.

    ¬Mart
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