A mini gun is a heavy super powerfull gun, it fits to large guys, like in terminator films, for the heavy weapon guy of TF2 or for the space marines from WH 40K, not really squads of small marines.
<!--quoteo(post=1728818:date=Sep 25 2009, 11:57 AM:name=homicide)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (homicide @ Sep 25 2009, 11:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728818"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Of course it fits into the game, a minigun is basically an HMG - an inaccurate fully automatic gun with a large clip and long reload time. (actually real miniguns don't have clips, but meh - close enough). It also probably has some warmup time, which could add some interesting combat dynamics<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The only thing I'm worrying about minigun is that it might be too immobile to be interesting. The warmup certainly adds an interesting dynamic though.
<!--quoteo(post=1728823:date=Sep 25 2009, 12:42 PM:name=Gregzenegair)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gregzenegair @ Sep 25 2009, 12:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728823"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->A mini gun is a heavy super powerfull gun, it fits to large guys, like in terminator films, for the heavy weapon guy of TF2 or for the space marines from WH 40K, not really squads of small marines.
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Considering we have jetpacks and power armor, I don't think we're too far away from space marines.
All we need is the chainswords.
Really though I don't think a minigun is too much of a problem, think of it like the power-assisted guns the marines in aliens carry, in aliens I think the gimmick is that they have aiming assistance, I don't see why regular marines couldn't get a sort of exoskeletal thingy with the minigun to help them use it, while the heavy armor dudes can just carry it around.
Besides, all alien games need a minigun, it is the natural weapon for alien killing, right next to the flamethrower and right above the shotgun.
<!--quoteo(post=1728828:date=Sep 25 2009, 11:00 AM:name=glimmerman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (glimmerman @ Sep 25 2009, 11:00 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728828"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hey cory want to write up a blog post on all the weapons :)????<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Me too! Im exited about the Minigun, it was one of my favorite weapons in Doom 3, I would be pleased if it had a similar design.
This is outstanding news! From day 1 i was saying how the title of "LMG" "HMG" we're being improperly assigned to weapons that were actually "SMG" = old lmg, and "LMG" = old hmg.
Looks like the devs have wised up and are now going to have proper weapons like assault rifles and machine guns and possibly even a carbine / scoped rifle / i.e. sniper rifle... Excellant!!!!
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<!--quoteo(post=1728831:date=Sep 25 2009, 11:23 AM:name=FocusedWolf)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FocusedWolf @ Sep 25 2009, 11:23 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728831"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This is outstanding news! From day 1 i was saying how the title of "LMG" "HMG" we're being improperly assigned to weapons that were actually "SMG" = old lmg, and "LMG" = old hmg.
Looks like the devs have wised up and are now going to have proper weapons like assault rifles and machine guns and possibly even a carbine / scoped rifle / i.e. sniper rifle... Excellant!!!!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> This post further cements my belief you live in your own fantasy world separate from the rest of us.
Of course there'll be a LUA'd sniper rifle. There'll even be a RAILGUN YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! KILL A FADE WITH 2 HITS but only has 3 shots so its balanced.
I actually really like the idea of having weapons that only HA's can use. Its reminiscent of m'old tribes days where only the heavy armor could use mortars. Could be an interesting dynamic or frustrating restriction for marines, but I'd say its worth at least looking into.
<!--quoteo(post=1728823:date=Sep 25 2009, 04:42 AM:name=Gregzenegair)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gregzenegair @ Sep 25 2009, 04:42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728823"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->A mini gun is a heavy super powerfull gun, it fits to large guys, like in terminator films, for the heavy weapon guy of TF2 or for the space marines from WH 40K, not really squads of small marines.
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Heavy and super powerfull like a HEAVY MACHINE GUN?
<!--quoteo(post=1728891:date=Sep 26 2009, 03:37 AM:name=homicide)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (homicide @ Sep 26 2009, 03:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728891"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Heavy and super powerfull like a HEAVY MACHINE GUN?
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I do, but compare a miniguns to the HMG of NS, mhh, weight and size are not the same ... or it will be a mini mini-gun.
It is for that, usually minigun are mounted guns ...
Ho yeah, I found your minigun ^^ <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNFWUvahk4I" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNFWUvahk4I</a>
<!--quoteo(post=1728804:date=Sep 25 2009, 12:40 PM:name=[WHO]Mr.Black)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ([WHO]Mr.Black @ Sep 25 2009, 12:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728804"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Megan Fox == Not that hot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Dude, what's wrong with you? But back to the topic...
<!--quoteo(post=1728877:date=Sep 26 2009, 02:13 AM:name=JAmazon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAmazon @ Sep 26 2009, 02:13 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728877"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I actually really like the idea of having weapons that only HA's can use. Its reminiscent of m'old tribes days where only the heavy armor could use mortars. Could be an interesting dynamic or frustrating restriction for marines, but I'd say its worth at least looking into.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> My words exactly. It'd give a true meaning to the word Heavy. Imagine a squad of them bad boys, each one on top of a rolling MASC and on their way to a hive, spitting lead and death with minigun barrels glowing red hot.
<!--quoteo(post=1728929:date=Sep 26 2009, 07:54 AM:name=KonserniJohtaja)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KonserniJohtaja @ Sep 26 2009, 07:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728929"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Dude, what's wrong with you? But back to the topic...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
People only think she is hot because the media tells us she is.
She isn't.
<!--quoteo(post=1728929:date=Sep 26 2009, 07:54 AM:name=KonserniJohtaja)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KonserniJohtaja @ Sep 26 2009, 07:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728929"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My words exactly. It'd give a true meaning to the word Heavy. Imagine a squad of them bad boys, each one on top of a rolling MASC and on their way to a hive, spitting lead and death with minigun barrels glowing red hot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Miniguns are pretty much the HMG, they just are changing the names around.
Im just happy comms arn't droping weapons anymore. Now when I've earned my gear some punk won't be able to run and grab my requested junk off the floor.
I do hope each weapon will have its limelight though. I've always pref- the Shotgun to HMG (in most cases) and alot of comms just woulden't drop them.
Now if I find weps that I just like more, I get to have them without the voice-chat auctioner battle between allies.
Isn't THAT much more important then Hyper-drive-deluxe-ammo!! (tho that would be cool to).
<!--quoteo(post=1728929:date=Sep 26 2009, 12:54 PM:name=KonserniJohtaja)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KonserniJohtaja @ Sep 26 2009, 12:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728929"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My words exactly. It'd give a true meaning to the word Heavy. Imagine a squad of them bad boys, each one on top of a rolling MASC and on their way to a hive, spitting lead and death with minigun barrels glowing red hot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now picture five skulks leaping out of vents and shadows xenociding that squad into oblivion.
<!--quoteo(post=1728919:date=Sep 26 2009, 03:42 AM:name=Gregzenegair)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gregzenegair @ Sep 26 2009, 03:42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728919"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I do, but compare a miniguns to the HMG of NS, mhh, weight and size are not the same ... or it will be a mini mini-gun.
It is for that, usually minigun are mounted guns ...
Ho yeah, I found your minigun ^^ <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNFWUvahk4I" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNFWUvahk4I</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
People don't normal carry machine guns either, let alone HEAVY machine guns.
<!--quoteo(post=1729021:date=Sep 26 2009, 08:51 PM:name=aNytiMe)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (aNytiMe @ Sep 26 2009, 08:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1729021"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You could have a small minigun chambered in .22lr or something.
THE LEAD WALL DOESN'T LIE.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah but it shoots like hundreds of those in a few seconds.
I would like to see a more unified weapon arsenal,
like a upgrade system, that uses the same basic form, but evolves from it.
lets say the MG is the basic form, when somebody buys a shotgun he just modifies his MG, replaces the barrel, ammo feed, magazines and adds a pump function. when getting a HMG he reinforces the basic frame, a longer barrel, drummagazine, and overall a heavier look. the GL would be the same LMG basicaly, but with short, large barrel and our loved big revolving magazine
when upgrading to minigun, the LMG would have heavy modifications, 3 spinning barrels and ammo belt feed.
instead of many different weapons, why not take a basic grounding and modify the weapons on the spot, which is overall more realistic then entire weapons falling from the ceiling..
<!--quoteo(post=1728961:date=Sep 26 2009, 12:59 PM:name=-Diesel-)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (-Diesel- @ Sep 26 2009, 12:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728961"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Miniguns are pretty much the HMG, they just are changing the names around.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
a true minigun has a rof of 600-3000rnds/min, whereas a true machine gun has a rof of 100-300rnds/min
i say strap a CIWS Phalanx to the back of every HA that roams a map... negates the need for a siege cannon, you can just cut walls down
why does the SG need a pump function? why not semi auto or even auto? or why not just make it an addition to the MG like the underslung M870 masterkey system? And i do believe that the GL will no longer be a standalone weapon, it will be replaced by something similar to an M203 grenade launcher system, which is attached to the bottom of the MG
<!--quoteo(post=1729094:date=Sep 27 2009, 10:37 AM:name=darktimes)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (darktimes @ Sep 27 2009, 10:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1729094"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would like to see a more unified weapon arsenal,
like a upgrade system, that uses the same basic form, but evolves from it.
lets say the MG is the basic form, when somebody buys a shotgun he just modifies his MG, replaces the barrel, ammo feed, magazines and adds a pump function. when getting a HMG he reinforces the basic frame, a longer barrel, drummagazine, and overall a heavier look. the GL would be the same LMG basicaly, but with short, large barrel and our loved big revolving magazine
when upgrading to minigun, the LMG would have heavy modifications, 3 spinning barrels and ammo belt feed.
instead of many different weapons, why not take a basic grounding and modify the weapons on the spot, which is overall more realistic then entire weapons falling from the ceiling..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
All the guns would look basicly the same that way.
I hope it's something like: Heavies can move and fire the Minigun, normal marines can use it but can barely move with it, and cant fire it if they're moving (It basically makes them a turret).
I'm not sure if you're referencing 'true' machine guns from pre-WW1, but most MG's fire as fast, often faster than their AR siblings (AKM - 600 RPM, RPK - 600 RPM; etc)
While they don't fire as fast as miniguns, sure, that's selling them a little short. Hell, WW1 bolt action rifles in trained hands had a better ROF than that.
You can call it an AR if it makes you happy, you can even lua up NS2 and replace all references and appropriate art work with Assault Rifle where ever you like then release it for other similar minded people to enjoy!
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<!--quoteo(post=1729262:date=Sep 28 2009, 04:40 AM:name=Delphic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Delphic @ Sep 28 2009, 04:40 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1729262"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You can call it an AR if it makes you happy, you can even lua up NS2 and replace all references and appropriate art work with Assault Rifle where ever you like then release it for other similar minded people to enjoy!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> This.
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The only thing I'm worrying about minigun is that it might be too immobile to be interesting. The warmup certainly adds an interesting dynamic though.
Do you understand ?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Considering we have jetpacks and power armor, I don't think we're too far away from space marines.
All we need is the chainswords.
Really though I don't think a minigun is too much of a problem, think of it like the power-assisted guns the marines in aliens carry, in aliens I think the gimmick is that they have aiming assistance, I don't see why regular marines couldn't get a sort of exoskeletal thingy with the minigun to help them use it, while the heavy armor dudes can just carry it around.
Besides, all alien games need a minigun, it is the natural weapon for alien killing, right next to the flamethrower and right above the shotgun.
Me too! Im exited about the Minigun, it was one of my favorite weapons in Doom 3, I would be pleased if it had a similar design.
Looks like the devs have wised up and are now going to have proper weapons like assault rifles and machine guns and possibly even a carbine / scoped rifle / i.e. sniper rifle... Excellant!!!!
Looks like the devs have wised up and are now going to have proper weapons like assault rifles and machine guns and possibly even a carbine / scoped rifle / i.e. sniper rifle... Excellant!!!!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This post further cements my belief you live in your own fantasy world separate from the rest of us.
Do you understand ?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heavy and super powerfull like a HEAVY MACHINE GUN?
Do you understand?
don't be fooled
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I do, but compare a miniguns to the HMG of NS, mhh, weight and size are not the same ... or it will be a mini mini-gun.
It is for that, usually minigun are mounted guns ...
Ho yeah, I found your minigun ^^ <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNFWUvahk4I" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNFWUvahk4I</a>
Megan Fox == Not that hot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, what's wrong with you? But back to the topic...
<!--quoteo(post=1728877:date=Sep 26 2009, 02:13 AM:name=JAmazon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAmazon @ Sep 26 2009, 02:13 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728877"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I actually really like the idea of having weapons that only HA's can use. Its reminiscent of m'old tribes days where only the heavy armor could use mortars. Could be an interesting dynamic or frustrating restriction for marines, but I'd say its worth at least looking into.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My words exactly. It'd give a true meaning to the word Heavy. Imagine a squad of them bad boys, each one on top of a rolling MASC and on their way to a hive, spitting lead and death with minigun barrels glowing red hot.
People only think she is hot because the media tells us she is.
She isn't.
<!--quoteo(post=1728929:date=Sep 26 2009, 07:54 AM:name=KonserniJohtaja)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KonserniJohtaja @ Sep 26 2009, 07:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1728929"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My words exactly. It'd give a true meaning to the word Heavy. Imagine a squad of them bad boys, each one on top of a rolling MASC and on their way to a hive, spitting lead and death with minigun barrels glowing red hot.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Miniguns are pretty much the HMG, they just are changing the names around.
I do hope each weapon will have its limelight though. I've always pref- the Shotgun to HMG (in most cases) and alot of comms just woulden't drop them.
Now if I find weps that I just like more, I get to have them without the voice-chat auctioner battle between allies.
Isn't THAT much more important then Hyper-drive-deluxe-ammo!! (tho that would be cool to).
Now picture five skulks leaping out of vents and shadows xenociding that squad into oblivion.
It is for that, usually minigun are mounted guns ...
Ho yeah, I found your minigun ^^ <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNFWUvahk4I" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNFWUvahk4I</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
People don't normal carry machine guns either, let alone HEAVY machine guns.
They would have MGs with big bullets that kick ass.
THE LEAD WALL DOESN'T LIE.
THE LEAD WALL DOESN'T LIE.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah but it shoots like hundreds of those in a few seconds.
like a upgrade system, that uses the same basic form, but evolves from it.
lets say the MG is the basic form, when somebody buys a shotgun he just modifies his MG, replaces the barrel, ammo feed, magazines and adds a pump function.
when getting a HMG he reinforces the basic frame, a longer barrel, drummagazine, and overall a heavier look.
the GL would be the same LMG basicaly, but with short, large barrel and our loved big revolving magazine
when upgrading to minigun, the LMG would have heavy modifications, 3 spinning barrels and ammo belt feed.
instead of many different weapons, why not take a basic grounding and modify the weapons on the spot, which is overall more realistic then entire weapons falling from the ceiling..
a true minigun has a rof of 600-3000rnds/min, whereas a true machine gun has a rof of 100-300rnds/min
i say strap a CIWS Phalanx to the back of every HA that roams a map... negates the need for a siege cannon, you can just cut walls down
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP6GpAnmAPU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP6GpAnmAPU</a>
edit: darktimes:
why does the SG need a pump function? why not semi auto or even auto? or why not just make it an addition to the MG like the underslung M870 masterkey system? And i do believe that the GL will no longer be a standalone weapon, it will be replaced by something similar to an M203 grenade launcher system, which is attached to the bottom of the MG
like a upgrade system, that uses the same basic form, but evolves from it.
lets say the MG is the basic form, when somebody buys a shotgun he just modifies his MG, replaces the barrel, ammo feed, magazines and adds a pump function.
when getting a HMG he reinforces the basic frame, a longer barrel, drummagazine, and overall a heavier look.
the GL would be the same LMG basicaly, but with short, large barrel and our loved big revolving magazine
when upgrading to minigun, the LMG would have heavy modifications, 3 spinning barrels and ammo belt feed.
instead of many different weapons, why not take a basic grounding and modify the weapons on the spot, which is overall more realistic then entire weapons falling from the ceiling..<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
All the guns would look basicly the same that way.
Ewwww.
Woah, what the hell planet do your machine guns reside on?
MG4: 880 Rnds/min
Pecheneg: 660 rnds/min
M249: 750-1000 rnds/min
Ameli: 850-1200 rnds/min
I'm not sure if you're referencing 'true' machine guns from pre-WW1, but most MG's fire as fast, often faster than their AR siblings (AKM - 600 RPM, RPK - 600 RPM; etc)
While they don't fire as fast as miniguns, sure, that's selling them a little short. Hell, WW1 bolt action rifles in trained hands had a better ROF than that.
This.