This is battlefield 2142, and it fullfills all what Flayra said in the twitter updates the last months: slow down movement, terrible visibility blocking by your own gun, senseless candy eye with metalic reflections in everything, EA patented slow gameplay for helens kellers and extra chromosoma slow kids; even the squad spawn points are there, no deaths as well, etc. Even the models are the same. What a sad day and what kind of present for the 7th NS BD, incredible. I'm more and more dissapointed with you guys at UWE, tsk, tsk, what a shame guys, what a shame.
<!--quoteo(post=1736971:date=Nov 10 2009, 06:07 AM:name=C4K3)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C4K3 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:07 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1736971"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This is battlefield 2142, and it fullfills all what Flayra said in the twitter updates the last months: slow down movement, terrible visibility blocking by your own gun, senseless candy eye with metalic reflections in everything, EA patented slow gameplay for helens kellers and extra chromosoma slow kids; even the squad spawn points are there, no deaths as well, etc. Even the models are the same. What a sad day and what kind of present for the 7th NS BD, incredible. I'm more and more dissapointed with you guys at UWE, tsk, tsk, what a shame guys, what a shame.
P.S: Where is it?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Anyone else terribly confused by this post? :P I'm not sure what your complaining about...OH NO NS2 LOOKS GOOD! Whats no deaths? and I'm sure the squad spawning wont be like BF2142 and who said anything about slowing down gameplay?! If anything their speeding it up based on their goal of making games 15-20 min. I'm sorry UWE disappoints you for some reason. Maybe you will be pleasantly surprised :)
<!--quoteo(post=1736973:date=Nov 10 2009, 12:22 AM:name=JAmazon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAmazon @ Nov 10 2009, 12:22 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1736973"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->what your complaining about...OH NO NS2 LOOKS GOOD! ... I'm sorry UWE disappoints you for some reason. Maybe you will be pleasantly surprised :)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I unistalled Battlecrap 2142 after spent 10 minutes playing it. It doesn't worth the media it is stored into; I guess it will be the same with this sequel and thats why I'm so sad, NS was the only game the last seven years that woth my spare / bed time at night. And, no, regarding the graphics, I was pleasantly surpriced 5 years ago by the Marmoset Toolbag. The new rendering engine is more of the same but five years late, so no, I'm not impressed. At all.
Better you have something really interesting under the table UWE because seems like all you did was trashing the gameplay we love in the NS, (your true master piece btw) and the only good game in the market since forever = the key for the prepurchasing miracle of a captive market you are losing already. Don't believe me? Just read the threads of the remainings of the NS community about the NS2. We started so exited and now, well, it is pathetic. The veteran community lost the hope in this game time ago and now is more like a joke. Why you had to kill the NS we felt in love with?
Did you buy NS2? If not then why are you following the progress of a game that you are convinced is going to be awful? Just so you can come on the boards and tell everyone how awful it is and how incompetent UWE are? seems kind of like a waste of time to me. Or are you trying to help UWE by telling them that their years of work are completely fruitless and so they should re-do everything? Or are you trying to enlighten us ignorant NS2 fans so that we'll realize how bad NS2 is going to be and relinquish our support of UWE immediately. Just trying to figure out the motive of your post, otherwise I guess its just more outright bashing :\
Is it just me or do some of the previous posts realy sound retarded and make no sense at all? No idea what these guys are complaining about, based on some videos and screenshots UWE released you make the conclusion that the entire game will suck just because it's a sequal? Sorry sir, your a retard.
<!--quoteo(post=1736981:date=Nov 10 2009, 02:25 AM:name=quintox)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (quintox @ Nov 10 2009, 02:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1736981"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is it just me or do some of the previous posts realy sound retarded and make no sense at all?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Obviously he's complaining about a fishing game called Battle Carp 2000 that he only played for 10 minutes because it's slow and boring and <i>doesn't worth the media it's stored into</i>.
I don't understand why he thinks NS is <i>woth his spare bed time</i>, it doesn't have any marmosets or fishes at all, only scorpians that hovar without flaping...
I stopped taking people seriously here a long time ago. We have some very interesting characters with very creative ideas, to say the least.
If you think NS2 is going to be complete crap, that UWE is made up of limbless goons and that everyone who thinks the game is not doomed is delusional...I am surprised why you would bother hanging around here giving everyone else a hard time.
<!--quoteo(post=1736977:date=Nov 10 2009, 02:24 AM:name=JAmazon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAmazon @ Nov 10 2009, 02:24 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1736977"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Did you buy NS2? If not then why are you following the progress of a game that you are convinced is going to be awful?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure, I'm a constie as you can see in my profile, and also preordered the game the first day the option was set in the site, as many other NS veteran players. But I guess this is not your case so lets slide that supporting part because you have no idea of what are we talking about. And no, I wasn't convinced at the time the game will be so trashed like this, perhaps I could spent the money more wisely instead buying an inexistent game composed of a hallway and some ragdolls with eyecandy using a reversed engineering renderer and copycating a bizarre bunch of random features from other chessyfail games. I think about that small amout as a donation to Flayra for all his effort in the NS and thanks to the entire NS community input for all what was made for the game improvement by itself; finally for all the fun we got playing it for free all those years if anything. And that doesn't mean in anyway this NS2 has some value instead, is just the homesickness of the epic NS games we used to enjoy and the existence of a veteran community that still actively playing (even with an emergent and amazing competitive league the last week), what made us preordered this piece of... Stuff. I could pay twice the amount was set for the black armor wholeheartedly for an improved NS game... But instead we got this... Thing...
<!--quoteo(post=1736977:date=Nov 10 2009, 02:24 AM:name=JAmazon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAmazon @ Nov 10 2009, 02:24 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1736977"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just so you can come on the boards and tell everyone how awful it is and how incompetent UWE are? seems kind of like a waste of time to me.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not talking to everyone, just pointing out my opinion to the development team if they still bothering reading the jewels of their fanbois on a daily basis. It is clear for everyone: all the dev team want to hear is cheers and applause. And sadly you are correct, is a waste of time because nothing will be done about the raising weirdness with every update, with those radical changes in the game features at the end is a pathetic 20% NS and a huge 80% bull######. That was pointed out clearly to everyone with some criticism since the very beginning. At the end, I'm just complaining about the destruction of a piece of electronic art. With all the very basic geometry, bad netcode, and crappy graphics, NS still one of the best games around. Its own life can speak for itself. This is trash for the masses, like the EA patented retardedness. Damn money, it destroys everything high in a work of art. GG
<!--quoteo(post=1737012:date=Nov 10 2009, 12:08 PM:name=C4K3)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C4K3 @ Nov 10 2009, 12:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1737012"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->*snip* I could pay twice the amount was set for the black armor wholeheartedly for an improved NS game... But instead we got this... Thing... *snip*<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's understandable that you were expecting a updated and revised NS1 in its sequel. NS2 is going to be very different (even though people still complain it is too similar to the first game) and honestly, we know too little about it to make a sound judgment yet.
It being different from NS1 does not automatically bad, and I am fairly optimistic that it won't be bad. I could be wrong.
It's amazing how fast they are producing this games, all things considered and then some.
But, for all those doubters, I used to have slight doubts for fear of losing NS1 feel, but I realized something
UWE are tried, tested, and insanely good!!!
NS1 went through a billion and a half changes, most of you won't remember, notice, or care about though. Most likely you never noticed or cared: Why? Because NS1 remained so damn fun!!!! We can't just say it's different, it won't be that great, do NOT worry, if it isn't, they'll get yelled at, and make it fun, they always succeed. So let's just give UWE our ever lasting undying support and watch as this game speeds at insane velocity toward our grubby consumer hands.
From the looks of it though, the game itself will be so amazing flaws will unnoticeable by anyone.
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So NS2 != pretty NS1, and therefore sucks balls, we get it. You can politely ask Charlie for a refund if your so inclined. What exactly does the fan art of an old rail car concept have to do with anything? I saw that your a constie and never once questioned your "veteran-ness" or whatever. You've obviously been playing this game for a while and have alot vested in it, but thats no reason to fear change. The reason every tweet sounds "weird" is because UWE are trying to make a unique game, and being that there have been countless alien vs human type games, they are really stretching into the unknown for unique gameplay mechanics. I'll admit some of them sound a little... interesting, but I dont immediately hate the game because of that! Instead I remain cautiously intrigued and can't wait to see how they pan out in game.
<!--quoteo(post=1737012:date=Nov 10 2009, 10:08 AM:name=C4K3)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C4K3 @ Nov 10 2009, 10:08 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1737012"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->With all the very basic geometry, bad netcode, and crappy graphics, NS still one of the best games around. Its own life can speak for itself. This is trash for the masses, like the EA patented retardedness. Damn money, it destroys everything high in a work of art. GG<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can see the logic in your observations. Clearly NS1 was a fluke. A lot of gameplay elements that just happened to work together very well. It certainly was not envisioned by a particular individual who is still key in the sequel's development. Yes, I can see how NS2's gameplay changes will be for the worst, especially after seeing these screenshots that reflect only the work of UWE's art/engine department. The gameplay department just consists of Charlie tossing dice and concocting new non-deterministic methods of selecting gameplay elements to ensure optimal failure. Indeed, I will go cancel my preorder now. I am enlightened.
I too wish to follow you in your quest to ride the marmoset-driven railcar. I have complete trust in a licensable eye candy dispenser that relies on a single physics engine implementation and lacks networking support.
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<!--quoteo(post=1737038:date=Nov 10 2009, 01:02 PM:name=C4K3)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C4K3 @ Nov 10 2009, 01:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1737038"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Something familiar?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> What are you trying to imply by posting <a href="http://unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=106374&hl=art-test" target="_blank">snipergen</a>'s work? He's a fan of NS2 and did the tram car as an art test for NS2. He's probably planning on modding NS2.
What bothers me the most is: -What makes NS1 fantastic is the strategy and tactics, like chess. Eye candy graphics never saved a game. Any FPS to Elder Scrolls Oblivion. If the game make you fell it's empty, you'll probably loose the interest in it rapidly. I mean read some game dedicated website to see it. Before we have 'hey it's wonderfull (meaning they paid the article ; HL² is good example). Come back 1 month after the game is out and you'll get the real tester answer. For NS it depends on possibilities and maps (vent, obsticle, darkness etc...). Any tech tree for NS2 ? Any specifications on alien chambers ? So far no one has a clear idea of that, it seems. So eye candy or strategy ?
-I'm afraid, as it tends to be said, the atmosphere on alien side will not be the same. I mean nerfed. Ambush is a key point in NS1. Maps help (or not) to do so. Having a skulk stuck on the ground as the only way to do things makes me think of a CS clone. And what about the view ? AVP style or NS1 style ?
-At this point, instead or releasing screenshots, i would enjoyed some video showing one on one fight. In order to get an idea of how things work. Even in a BOX-TEST-MAP.
Game mechanics are essential to NS, and i think it IS the thing that made NS1 what it is today. It's like Pong : a classic. Will NS2 be something with real game mechanics inside? For now i have more doubts about it than hopes.
<!--quoteo(post=1737075:date=Nov 10 2009, 02:18 PM:name=locallyunscene)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (locallyunscene @ Nov 10 2009, 02:18 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1737075"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What are you trying to imply by posting snipergen's work?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is absolutely cheesy. All this is a bizarre gathering of random stuff DOOM-like without story line or anything. Just random trash over a classic game as Unclecrunch said. It gets old as soon as you look at it thanks to the empty ramblings. -1 lives to NS. GG
<!--quoteo(post=1737111:date=Nov 10 2009, 05:21 PM:name=C4K3)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C4K3 @ Nov 10 2009, 05:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1737111"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That is absolutely cheesy. All this is a bizarre gathering of random stuff DOOM-like without story line or anything. Just random trash over a classic game as Unclecrunch said. It gets old as soon as you look at it thanks to the empty ramblings. -1 lives to NS. GG<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe you've covered the entire spectrum of things UWE is doing terribly wrong. Graphics/media, gameplay, and now we need a better <i>story line</i>.
I'd like to thank you for your contributions to the forum.
I like how "I've never played this game but, game graphics relevent to our time" = RUINED GAME.
I personally think the original NS shouldn't have used the HL engine because it was too new and had too good of graphics for the time. They should have made the game in 2D, but because they were greedy and wanted money they went and used the HL engine and it ruined the game. Either that or with the HL engine they should have just had smooth texture-less maps and models to play as and kill eachother.
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<!--quoteo(post=1737111:date=Nov 10 2009, 11:21 PM:name=C4K3)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C4K3 @ Nov 10 2009, 11:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1737111"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That is absolutely cheesy. All this is a bizarre gathering of random stuff DOOM-like without story line or anything. Just random trash over a classic game as Unclecrunch said. It gets old as soon as you look at it thanks to the empty ramblings. -1 lives to NS. GG<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You certainly to have very strong feelings, but their source isn't entirely clear. You seem to be critiquing the art direction and world-building of NS2 based on some third-party screenshots.
Perhaps you should calm down a little. I realise you are upset, but I can promise you that a considerable amount of thought is being put behind everything that goes into NS2.
Something was bugging me with the screenshot and I believe I found it : the muzzleflash does not spread light over the weapon of the marine.. This is visible in the strong contrast of the weapon with the muzzle in the back..
Probably an unsignificant detail.. but the rest looks hyper realistic. I'm looking forward to see those images in real time action.
I'm putting my money on UncleCrunch and C4K3 being the same person. They both have (poor) English with the same sentence structure. Also, I love how C3K3 keeps claiming to be a hardcore vet and just joined the forum in 2008, long after NS1's popularity had waned. Just sayin'...
Remember people: Like pigeons, Trolls love to be fed. Stop feeding and they will stop flocking.
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<!--quoteo(post=1737111:date=Nov 10 2009, 06:21 PM:name=C4K3)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C4K3 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1737111"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That is absolutely cheesy. All this is a bizarre gathering of random stuff DOOM-like without story line or anything. Just random trash over a classic game as Unclecrunch said. It gets old as soon as you look at it thanks to the empty ramblings. -1 lives to NS. GG<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh yeah, but that's what you get when posting an amateur's screenshots. For what it's worth I think the stuff UWE has released looks much better. Apparently you don't and are claiming it looks the same? I think you might need glasses then or a better monitor.
<!--quoteo(post=1737167:date=Nov 11 2009, 01:28 AM:name=Warmonger)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Warmonger @ Nov 11 2009, 01:28 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1737167"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm putting my money on UncleCrunch and C4K3 being the same person. They both have (poor) English with the same sentence structure. Also, I love how C3K3 keeps claiming to be a hardcore vet and just joined the forum in 2008, long after NS1's popularity had waned. Just sayin'...
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This is battlefield 2142, and it fullfills all what Flayra said in the twitter updates the last months: slow down movement, terrible visibility blocking by your own gun, senseless candy eye with metalic reflections in everything, EA patented slow gameplay for helens kellers and extra chromosoma slow kids; even the squad spawn points are there, no deaths as well, etc. Even the models are the same. What a sad day and what kind of present for the 7th NS BD, incredible. I'm more and more dissapointed with you guys at UWE, tsk, tsk, what a shame guys, what a shame.
P.S: Where is it?
P.S: Where is it?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Anyone else terribly confused by this post? :P I'm not sure what your complaining about...OH NO NS2 LOOKS GOOD! Whats no deaths? and I'm sure the squad spawning wont be like BF2142 and who said anything about slowing down gameplay?! If anything their speeding it up based on their goal of making games 15-20 min. I'm sorry UWE disappoints you for some reason. Maybe you will be pleasantly surprised :)
I unistalled Battlecrap 2142 after spent 10 minutes playing it. It doesn't worth the media it is stored into; I guess it will be the same with this sequel and thats why I'm so sad, NS was the only game the last seven years that woth my spare / bed time at night. And, no, regarding the graphics, I was pleasantly surpriced 5 years ago by the Marmoset Toolbag. The new rendering engine is more of the same but five years late, so no, I'm not impressed. At all.
<a href="http://boards.polycount.net/showthread.php?t=61346" target="_blank">http://boards.polycount.net/showthread.php?t=61346</a>
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Better you have something really interesting under the table UWE because seems like all you did was trashing the gameplay we love in the NS, (your true master piece btw) and the only good game in the market since forever = the key for the prepurchasing miracle of a captive market you are losing already. Don't believe me? Just read the threads of the remainings of the NS community about the NS2. We started so exited and now, well, it is pathetic. The veteran community lost the hope in this game time ago and now is more like a joke. Why you had to kill the NS we felt in love with?
GG
if you love ns, just play it now, don't wait to play NS2
now, if you need something new to play, wait to play NS2 ;)
Obviously he's complaining about a fishing game called Battle Carp 2000 that he only played for 10 minutes because it's slow and boring and <i>doesn't worth the media it's stored into</i>.
I don't understand why he thinks NS is <i>woth his spare bed time</i>, it doesn't have any marmosets or fishes at all, only scorpians that hovar without flaping...
If you think NS2 is going to be complete crap, that UWE is made up of limbless goons and that everyone who thinks the game is not doomed is delusional...I am surprised why you would bother hanging around here giving everyone else a hard time.
Sure, I'm a constie as you can see in my profile, and also preordered the game the first day the option was set in the site, as many other NS veteran players. But I guess this is not your case so lets slide that supporting part because you have no idea of what are we talking about. And no, I wasn't convinced at the time the game will be so trashed like this, perhaps I could spent the money more wisely instead buying an inexistent game composed of a hallway and some ragdolls with eyecandy using a reversed engineering renderer and copycating a bizarre bunch of random features from other chessyfail games. I think about that small amout as a donation to Flayra for all his effort in the NS and thanks to the entire NS community input for all what was made for the game improvement by itself; finally for all the fun we got playing it for free all those years if anything. And that doesn't mean in anyway this NS2 has some value instead, is just the homesickness of the epic NS games we used to enjoy and the existence of a veteran community that still actively playing (even with an emergent and amazing competitive league the last week), what made us preordered this piece of... Stuff. I could pay twice the amount was set for the black armor wholeheartedly for an improved NS game... But instead we got this... Thing...
<!--quoteo(post=1736977:date=Nov 10 2009, 02:24 AM:name=JAmazon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAmazon @ Nov 10 2009, 02:24 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1736977"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just so you can come on the boards and tell everyone how awful it is and how incompetent UWE are? seems kind of like a waste of time to me.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not talking to everyone, just pointing out my opinion to the development team if they still bothering reading the jewels of their fanbois on a daily basis. It is clear for everyone: all the dev team want to hear is cheers and applause. And sadly you are correct, is a waste of time because nothing will be done about the raising weirdness with every update, with those radical changes in the game features at the end is a pathetic 20% NS and a huge 80% bull######. That was pointed out clearly to everyone with some criticism since the very beginning. At the end, I'm just complaining about the destruction of a piece of electronic art. With all the very basic geometry, bad netcode, and crappy graphics, NS still one of the best games around. Its own life can speak for itself. This is trash for the masses, like the EA patented retardedness. Damn money, it destroys everything high in a work of art. GG
It's understandable that you were expecting a updated and revised NS1 in its sequel. NS2 is going to be very different (even though people still complain it is too similar to the first game) and honestly, we know too little about it to make a sound judgment yet.
It being different from NS1 does not automatically bad, and I am fairly optimistic that it won't be bad. I could be wrong.
But, for all those doubters, I used to have slight doubts for fear of losing NS1 feel, but I realized something
UWE are tried, tested, and insanely good!!!
NS1 went through a billion and a half changes, most of you won't remember, notice, or care about though. Most likely you never noticed or cared: Why? Because NS1 remained so damn fun!!!! We can't just say it's different, it won't be that great, do NOT worry, if it isn't, they'll get yelled at, and make it fun, they always succeed. So let's just give UWE our ever lasting undying support and watch as this game speeds at insane velocity toward our grubby consumer hands.
From the looks of it though, the game itself will be so amazing flaws will unnoticeable by anyone.
"In UWE we trust"
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Something familiar?
I can see the logic in your observations. Clearly NS1 was a fluke. A lot of gameplay elements that just happened to work together very well. It certainly was not envisioned by a particular individual who is still key in the sequel's development. Yes, I can see how NS2's gameplay changes will be for the worst, especially after seeing these screenshots that reflect only the work of UWE's art/engine department. The gameplay department just consists of Charlie tossing dice and concocting new non-deterministic methods of selecting gameplay elements to ensure optimal failure. Indeed, I will go cancel my preorder now. I am enlightened.
I too wish to follow you in your quest to ride the marmoset-driven railcar. I have complete trust in a licensable eye candy dispenser that relies on a single physics engine implementation and lacks networking support.
What are you trying to imply by posting <a href="http://unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=106374&hl=art-test" target="_blank">snipergen</a>'s work? He's a fan of NS2 and did the tram car as an art test for NS2. He's probably planning on modding NS2.
-What makes NS1 fantastic is the strategy and tactics, like chess. Eye candy graphics never saved a game. Any FPS to Elder Scrolls Oblivion. If the game make you fell it's empty, you'll probably loose the interest in it rapidly. I mean read some game dedicated website to see it. Before we have 'hey it's wonderfull (meaning they paid the article ; HL² is good example). Come back 1 month after the game is out and you'll get the real tester answer. For NS it depends on possibilities and maps (vent, obsticle, darkness etc...). Any tech tree for NS2 ? Any specifications on alien chambers ? So far no one has a clear idea of that, it seems. So eye candy or strategy ?
-I'm afraid, as it tends to be said, the atmosphere on alien side will not be the same. I mean nerfed. Ambush is a key point in NS1. Maps help (or not) to do so. Having a skulk stuck on the ground as the only way to do things makes me think of a CS clone. And what about the view ? AVP style or NS1 style ?
-At this point, instead or releasing screenshots, i would enjoyed some video showing one on one fight. In order to get an idea of how things work. Even in a BOX-TEST-MAP.
Game mechanics are essential to NS, and i think it IS the thing that made NS1 what it is today. It's like Pong : a classic. Will NS2 be something with real game mechanics inside? For now i have more doubts about it than hopes.
That is absolutely cheesy. All this is a bizarre gathering of random stuff DOOM-like without story line or anything. Just random trash over a classic game as Unclecrunch said. It gets old as soon as you look at it thanks to the empty ramblings. -1 lives to NS. GG
I believe you've covered the entire spectrum of things UWE is doing terribly wrong. Graphics/media, gameplay, and now we need a better <i>story line</i>.
I'd like to thank you for your contributions to the forum.
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I personally think the original NS shouldn't have used the HL engine because it was too new and had too good of graphics for the time. They should have made the game in 2D, but because they were greedy and wanted money they went and used the HL engine and it ruined the game. Either that or with the HL engine they should have just had smooth texture-less maps and models to play as and kill eachother.
You certainly to have very strong feelings, but their source isn't entirely clear. You seem to be critiquing the art direction and world-building of NS2 based on some third-party screenshots.
Perhaps you should calm down a little. I realise you are upset, but I can promise you that a considerable amount of thought is being put behind everything that goes into NS2.
This is visible in the strong contrast of the weapon with the muzzle in the back..
Probably an unsignificant detail.. but the rest looks hyper realistic.
I'm looking forward to see those images in real time action.
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I believe you mean monorail cat sir :D
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Uh yeah, but that's what you get when posting an amateur's screenshots. For what it's worth I think the stuff UWE has released looks much better. Apparently you don't and are claiming it looks the same? I think you might need glasses then or a better monitor.
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