Just something to put out there..
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Join Date: 2009-11-03 Member: 69255Members
Join Date: 2009-11-03 Member: 69255Members
First off I wanna say Hi, but I just want to see what your view on this is.
I usually pop into this server Guns4Back2School, it's a good community server and its fun to play at (pretty active too). I've been playing NS for about about 2 years on and off but I've run into something rather strange lately. Sometimes I decide to play on other servers like <GUD> or <BAD> (actually GUD is now called EvolveNS or something now). Anyways, I was playing on EvolveNS today and as an alien I started becoming annoyed a bit. This is about those ridiculous marines with symbols next to their names when you press Tab, which only go marines every game, and which end up with a score of like 34 - 2 at the end of the game. I mean.. seriously? Who's gonna draw the line when a guy is using auto-pistol and killing 2 good skulks with 1 clip of pistol (while they're dodging and bhopping)?
Ze point I'm trying to make: I and most other NS players (specifically aliens) who want to play the game don't want to be a meatbag which has bullets poured into it, while some guy is holding an Aiming key and yawning while he holds his firing button. If it were meant to be so, the rules should say something like: "We support hackers (aimbotters, wallhackers, and the such) 100%, we will not ban them but rather we will incorporate them as admins, or clan members."
I only don't speak up because most likely these clan members will get red-faced when accused of hacking..
Of course though, if you disregard all of what I've just said, and lets just say that "You really are 'that' good". Why would you go marine every round then?.. and then ignore people who tell you to go aliens.. and/or then if you do go aliens you utterly suck and end up dropping chambers? I mean.. some times you just have to draw the limit. Auto-pistoling is obviously allowed but you shouldn't be able to hit a lerk with 100% accuracy down a hallway while the lerk is dodging, or something like that. I've seen it, and had it happen to me as well. Marines are 'supposed' to miss. Speed and alien size are a part of the game, and aiming extremely well to the point where your accuracy is above 90% inhumanly, or humanly, I think merits some investigation.
The proposed solution:
If you are one of those players, please learn how to play as Alien, so that you don't have to go marine every round just to get a few kills. You will die at first but you'll get better at it.. Thanks to some people who helped me get my point across, helped me to write this, and thanks for reading. I/We hope to see comments soon.
Also another point I forgot to make before.. NS games without these annoyingly good marines seem to last longer, be more fun for the players, and be very well balanced. Once these players join its just 'Marines Dominate until JPS and then kill hive'
I usually pop into this server Guns4Back2School, it's a good community server and its fun to play at (pretty active too). I've been playing NS for about about 2 years on and off but I've run into something rather strange lately. Sometimes I decide to play on other servers like <GUD> or <BAD> (actually GUD is now called EvolveNS or something now). Anyways, I was playing on EvolveNS today and as an alien I started becoming annoyed a bit. This is about those ridiculous marines with symbols next to their names when you press Tab, which only go marines every game, and which end up with a score of like 34 - 2 at the end of the game. I mean.. seriously? Who's gonna draw the line when a guy is using auto-pistol and killing 2 good skulks with 1 clip of pistol (while they're dodging and bhopping)?
Ze point I'm trying to make: I and most other NS players (specifically aliens) who want to play the game don't want to be a meatbag which has bullets poured into it, while some guy is holding an Aiming key and yawning while he holds his firing button. If it were meant to be so, the rules should say something like: "We support hackers (aimbotters, wallhackers, and the such) 100%, we will not ban them but rather we will incorporate them as admins, or clan members."
I only don't speak up because most likely these clan members will get red-faced when accused of hacking..
Of course though, if you disregard all of what I've just said, and lets just say that "You really are 'that' good". Why would you go marine every round then?.. and then ignore people who tell you to go aliens.. and/or then if you do go aliens you utterly suck and end up dropping chambers? I mean.. some times you just have to draw the limit. Auto-pistoling is obviously allowed but you shouldn't be able to hit a lerk with 100% accuracy down a hallway while the lerk is dodging, or something like that. I've seen it, and had it happen to me as well. Marines are 'supposed' to miss. Speed and alien size are a part of the game, and aiming extremely well to the point where your accuracy is above 90% inhumanly, or humanly, I think merits some investigation.
The proposed solution:
If you are one of those players, please learn how to play as Alien, so that you don't have to go marine every round just to get a few kills. You will die at first but you'll get better at it.. Thanks to some people who helped me get my point across, helped me to write this, and thanks for reading. I/We hope to see comments soon.
Also another point I forgot to make before.. NS games without these annoyingly good marines seem to last longer, be more fun for the players, and be very well balanced. Once these players join its just 'Marines Dominate until JPS and then kill hive'
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2. The server in question is one of a few handful of servers which have a forced random plugin, you may have noticed it, however this is circumvented by the regulars going "afk" thus bypassing being autoassigned and allowing them to choose the team they're on. I don't think that many people do this.
3. If you think people are cheating then you probably are 'that' bad, evolvens has a very low tolerance for newer or non-learning players;
the classic rine pub stomp has now effectually become the norm on all public servers, the decline in popularity and standard principals of the general upper echelon of the game now make this inevitable. (I could go into a much less bullpoopty, more concrete model of why I think this is but let's not deviate too much).
The scripting argument is as old as the game itself, though most of the antiscripters have stopped playing (I'm fairly alone on this nowadays :P, I only switched to using mwheel to jump this year because for the longest time I was damned if I was going to reduce myself to pleb level :P).
A lot of high level players would be able to pistol whip you without using a script (though ofc there are many factors, but on a good day nothing much is gonna stop you from dying anyway), dodging works in tiers of awareness(again no time for bullpoop free explanations) generally speaking better players will have as much better idea of what you're going to do than you are of what they're going to do so acts as a natural advantage.
Never admit you're an average player then accuse others of cheating, it's called getting owned, deal with it.
4. People go marine every round and ignore everyone for 2 reasons: 1. there is no point trying to play as a team with people who are incapable of doing so. 2. they don't wanna
Also, never ever complain about scripting or cheating. If you honestly suspect some one of cheating, make a demo and send it to the server admins (make sure to get their steam ID in there).
As for scripting, The quick run down:
Scripting doesn't let you do anything a reasonably skilled player can't do with out scripts. In the case of pistol scripting there is a hard coded RoF cap on the pistol, it can't be broken with out cheats, and it can be reached by skilled players who simply spam Mouse1. It can also be reached by moderately skilled players (my self) who use MWheel for +attack (I can reach it with clicking, but my aim goes to bugger all). Any one who uses a script to hit the RoF cap is useless as you can not enter ANY other commands when a script is running (this includes Mouse look iirc). Aka, you can't do anything outside of firing your pistol. Sound useful? It isn't.
As for the "You are too good as marines, go alien!" line, it is kinda dumb. You complain about not having fun playing how you want to play, yet seem to think that others should sacrifice their enjoyment by playing how you want them to play instead of how the want to play.
sorry mate, as ZiGGY pointed out, playing Aliens with a team that can't work together sucks, and thus people pop on simply to dominate as marines because they can.
THe reason this occurs......now follow me here.........is.........................they don't suck ass.
PS. The same players that dominate on EvolveNS go to Guns and dominate there where scripting isn't allowed. Quite frankly, I can't stand playing on Guns, it's like playing with a server full of people with railroad spikes driven into their heads.
My final view is that if these players honestly have fun walking around with a pistol and killing skulks/fades, let them. But stacking marine team every round seems suspicious and annoying, because this game requires teamplay and a team which is efficient in sacrificing themselves for the team, and getting their own joy-kills. Personally I love aliens much better, as I said. Marines seems to linear to me now.. In my mind its more like 'Shoot the meat-bag and if it has too much hp you'll die'. So, alien just makes it seem funner for me. It's challenging and fun, and I just look at those gloating 43-2 marines and think 'Wow, what a nerdy kid.' I guess I could say it twists my face a little. This makes me think so many more things like 'Why gloat when you have guns?' or 'I think that alien guy you're mad at is a good guy and you're some pissed off kid who likes his heavy weaponry and ramboing'.
I could go into that, but I think I'll just end it here.. saying that mostly it has to do with what is called 'skill stacking'.
Anyways, I love the game, love the players, and I'm gonna keep on playing NS probably for the rest of my life. till I'm an old man on a mic.
The fact that you mention an "aiming key" makes me think you don't have quite as much skill as you seem to think. I'm not sure why you would consider the 43-2 marine a nerdy kid. I'd focus more on the guy who walker skulks said marine 43 times in between complaints of hacker marines/scripting.
+1
if you want to improve ask questions.
Most of the marines who get ridiculous k:d could just as well go fade on aliens...
Most of those players you're complaining about on Marines would probably have the same effect on the games if they went Aliens. It seems rather hypocritical to me to rag on people for playing Marines when you profess a preference for Aliens yourself.
I'm sure you like all the other players out there have read nsdojo and other nslearn topics. Also you know about rates and what you should be doing.
Otherwise there is no need to complain but try and get better or try to make those around you better by helping / hinting them in game. I hate to say it but even some of the mic spammers who scream off and on in game are really annoying, but you would get annoyed too if downies are roaming around like hellen keller and doing nothing.
Even at evolve there are numerous people who actually put forth an effort and will answer questions if you simply don't know why your doing so poorly(Don't be surprised if some people grief but others will give you tips). There is even a group now that train's during some days of the week on drills from the guys you previously insinuated to be cheating. 2 skulks with 1 pistol? how about 3 + with 1 lmg clip. It only takes 10 shots to kill a skulk right?
Let's say that the servers you play on actually tolerate cheaters(an appalling situation). Then, you have to accept that life isn't always fair and switch servers. Yes, I also think that servers that allow cheaters suck but unless you own the server, there is nothing you can do.
Finally, as to your gripe to people always playing one team. I would have to say that you may not like it, but you have to respect the choices of other players. Forcing players to play on random teams when they do not want to is not fun at all. If the mechanics of the game allow for player freedom, they should have it. If you think they are staying on one side because of cheating, then this goes back to my first point.
Like Toothy? I swear if Toothy never had games he'd only have half a life; the guy's <i>too</i> good. You get what you put in!
Most the people who play in EvolveNS are league players (some are CAL NS players, back when CAL NS existed), which means they play competitively, and have been for years. It's apple and oranges. Stick to the skill censored servers, don't ###### in NS forums about players I play against ever week, perhaps even daily.
btw.. as far as established pub servers go, BAD has far better players than g4b2s. Thats because BAD clan members are competitive enough to handle challenging players.