Do you care about realism?
Tweadle
Join Date: 2005-02-03 Member: 39686Members, NS2 Map Tester
Join Date: 2005-02-03 Member: 39686Members, NS2 Map Tester
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws" target="_blank">Clarke's Law</a> (check out the third one) - when humankind finaly has nanite technology, a new era will dawn. for the better? depends on who you vote today.
p.s. i want gorges to scream when i set them on fire with flamethrower :)
I like a good balance between arcade and realism. Physics is a must but human conditions like broken leg, bleeding, missing limb, aliens on fire, recoil, etc, should all be left out.
Focusedwolf, if it was real to the max, there would be no respawn points and you wouldn't magically control another marine.
I play a lot of Quake so realism isn't that important to me... I want a balanced game with lots of depth.
We're still assuming NS universe technology obviously. But in that range of technology, i'm suggesting we keep it gritty, which is the exact opposite of arcade.
Wow... this post... all i have to say is wow. I can't believe how unintelligent you are.
Grit is a texture
Actually it is also a theme, and just so happens to be one which NS2 utilizes.
As for realism in NS2, I think MuYeah's post just about sums it up.
I do feel that the issue of "nanites" is a bit abused. Every time a marine technology is suggested with no scientific or logical background, nanites are to blame. It just seems that "nanites" is the new word for "magic." The term is relied on too heavily.
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Guys, by saying things like this, you're worse than you say he is. If you don't like him, put him on your ignore list, have a private conversation with him in the form of pm's, or be the bigger man. (btw, I didn't see him say anything negative or try to provoke any kind of emotional reaction. He seems to be posting honestly and enthusiastically.) Edit: Don't reply to this paragraph.
I do feel that the issue of "nanites" is a bit abused. Every time a marine technology is suggested with no scientific or logical background, nanites are to blame. It just seems that "nanites" is the new word for "magic." The term is relied on too heavily.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would tend to agree. We still have humans walking around, bullets fly in mostly straight lines, and if you get hit enough you die.
At the same time, I feel that the average gamer is willing to suspend quite a bit of reality for the sake of the game. For example, Halo is a pretty big hit, but I don't see any plasma guns or beam swords hanging around. Similarly, even Call of Duty MW takes a few liberties, especially in multiplayer. I mean, who cares about flags? And a predator missile every 5 seconds? Or that basic RPGs can lock onto vehicles?
So, there has to be the basic rules of realism, i.e. physics and usually (unless it's intentional stylistic choices) visually accurate. However, the way other elements interact can be much more pliable depending on the goal. Some games simply want to be true sims, others don't really care. Do you want Microsoft Flight Simulator? Or MechWarrior?
A similar analogy is Anime. At a fundamental level there are certain things that have to be "realistic". At the same time, people are perfectly willing to let giant mechas run around or for people to fly if it's convenient. That being said, there are also several anime that try to be extremely accurate to how things would work in the real world, such as Planetes which even tried to have accurate Newtonian physics for their space scenes.
Personally, for NS2 I tend to lean towards the "unrealistic" side.
uhhh, I don't think you quite get the joke. 'Nanites' isn't a real explanation, it's a short form of saying "Because the NS2 universe is set in a sci-fi future in which many forms of new technology, nanite or other, may be realized I can justify at length any arbitrary idea that you may or may not find believable solely based on fictitious technologies which I can foreseeably define such that they posses credibility in the NS2 universe"
Instead of writing volumes of Arthur C Clarke-sian sci-fi fiction on a forum simply to justify some gameplay element on the grounds of credibility (which it shouldn't ever be for this exact reason), people will tend to abbreviate it to simply "nanites".
But sadly, that is almost impossible to do. So some realistic elements should take a backseat.
As "real" as NS1 was would be dandy.
I like a good balance between arcade and realism. Physics is a must but human conditions like broken leg, bleeding, missing limb, aliens on fire, recoil, etc, should all be left out.
Focusedwolf, if it was real to the max, there would be no respawn points and you wouldn't magically control another marine.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If he wants max realism, he could have someone standing next to him with a starved panther ready to sic it on him as soon as he got skulked.
I'm kinda liking the sound of that, although I would hope it was an optional setting.
This.
And of course NS2 has to to be shipped with a cyber sniff 2000, because I want to smell the onos roar and lerk spores.
Per se, Half-Life universe is incredibly anal about making sense of things (both story-wise and visually) despite being a game about a sngle Ph.D. beating down a whole alien army. Would it still be fun without it though? Heck yeah.
Both it and NS are centered around gameplay first. What you need in this case is a writer who will be able to design the story and visuals from the gameplay-up, and that certainly is possible. From the very few details know about the game, UW have been doing a decent job of it so far, too.
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+1
Couldn't have said it better myself.
If I wanted realism for the sake of realism, I would not play a sci-fi game.
It's the little details that aren't.
Like, noone would ever want to have gunfights and explosions inside vulnerable space stations.
And some alien abilities are completely against the laws of physics.
But these things make NS what it is.
Reality isn't very well put together, games have designers because you can't just copy from reality and expect it to work.
The bullets are frangibles :)
(frangibles are bullets that break apart on impact)
are you implying that bullets that break apart on impact do no damage to the object being struck?
Concerns with over penetration / ricochet hazards aboard aircraft, ships and (e. g.) nuclear power plants that might release hazardous materials have led to efforts to provide small caliber ammunition with reduced ricochet, limited penetration (RRLP) for use by SOF to reduce risk to friendly forces and innocent persons. There are three general levels of frangible: Training [may be used for training only]; reduced ricochet, limited penetration[RRLP, designed for purposes stated]; and general purpose frangible [though no military requirement has been established for a general purpose round for use by conventional forces]. Specific ammunition must undergo wound ballistics testing/ legal review once developed. It can be used for: Close Quarter Battle (CQB); Military operation in Urban Terrain (MOUT); Visit Board Search and Seizure; and Counter-Narcotics (CN) Operation.
Frangible bullets will break up into small, less harmful, pieces upon contact with anything <b>harder than they are (aliens are gooey)</b>. This maximizes the round's transfer of energy to the object and minimizes the chances that pieces of the bullet will exit the object at dangerous velocities. Each of the small fragments quickly loses any energy and therefore pose very little danger to any secondary targets. This means that full-power frangible bullets can be shot at target all the way up to muzzle contact without any worries that the bullet or case will ricochet and potentially hurt either the shooter or others.
<a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/frangible.htm" target="_blank">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/sys...s/frangible.htm</a>
I wouldn't dream of removing them, but that's basically it for your realism right there.
I wouldn't dream of removing them, but that's basically it for your realism right there.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh, realistic body collisions combined with jetpack flight model would be pretty catastrophic.