Going To Ready Room To Help Your Gorges..

McMastersMcMasters Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8536Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">is it cheating?</div> Now, before the "CS pwnage h@x0rz0rz0rs" come here and say "anything in the game should be exploited", I'd like to know what everyone else thinks.

Unless everyone else *is* a CS W@llHxor!1!1!11. Seems that way whenever I play aliens these days.. -_-
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  • LPCLPC Join Date: 2002-04-07 Member: 384Members, Reinforced - Diamond
    going to the RR to help your gorges is 'cheating', yes. it's an unbalancing exploit and will be fixed in the next version (according to flayra)
  • BoddoZergBoddoZerg Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8380Members
    It's a bug exploit, like the Warcraft III v1.02 human infinite resources bug, just a bit less severe. People shouldn't use it.
  • ChompyChompy Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7379Members
    Personally I usually play Alien (and almost exclusively Gorge), so I wish I could justify it.. but no. It IS an exploit, the game was not designed with this in mind, and so it should not be used.

    But as long as we're talking about that, Marines shouldn't be going into vents either <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • AnkanAnkan Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1858Members
    I wonder what you guys are talking about... I dunno - honestly!!!!!
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    I have no idea what the effect of going to this would be for a gorge.
  • LeusugiLeusugi Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6576Members
    The resources the player initially started with would go to his team when he switches to readyroom. Giving a gorge or two a 7-14 or so res boost per player. At least that's what I think they are talking about.
  • TheGunslingerTheGunslinger Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8126Members
    Just like killing yourself as a marine to get your health back. Allowing some way for aliens to give up their resources to the hive freely and including some way for marines to heal themselves (slowly at base) are both good ideas.
  • TempestTempest Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8083Members
    Whenever you go to ready room or leave the game, your resources good back into the pool and are distributed among the players left. So if everybody except the gorge go to ready room real quick, the gorge gets all the resources, which is 10+ per player (everybody starts out with 10).
  • SeikedenSeikeden Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5443Members
    personally I would call it a tactic, after all if the resources are redistributed, then you don't get them back when you rejoin, thus giving you less options, + the fact that if all the skulks F4 and come back, the hive wil be undefended and noone will be on the offensive.

    However, if this wasn't an intended feature then it's an exploit ya. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    especially since it allows a well organised team to instantly set up two hives . <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • PeregineDivePeregineDive Join Date: 2002-07-15 Member: 951Members
    Great idea! no marines in vents, especially Heavies... its really a **obscenity** to kill them when they camp one side =p
  • m4rinem4rine Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7354Members
    i think there should be some way to give your resources to the hive, and when you die you should lose them because isnt dieing the same thing as leaving just u respawn back in and u dont lose your res?
  • WraithmanWraithman Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8600Members
    It's just an Exploit and all exploits do is cheat everyone from having a fun game. I dont understand why everyone is so bent on winning. I would rather have a fun and fair game and lose than win no contest because my team uses some loophole or exploit to dominate the match. Part of the fun is the challenge. No challenge if the aliens can just pump up their resources like that. Just my opinion though. I just know i wouldnt want to be on a marine team with the aliens doing that to us.
  • MrBatmanMrBatman Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7176Members
    I asked Monsieur Evil about this, and he told me that it was a valid team tactic, that had been used in pre-release playtesting; but you will most likely be unable to do it once autobalancing is implemented.
  • ShadowicsShadowics Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7652Members
    I guess it is an exploit, but it doesn't seem like a big deal to me. All the marines give their resources to the bomm automatically but no one complains about that, so what if the skulks don't want to use their resources and give them to the gorges instead? It's not like they're making more resources out of nowhere, just redestributing, it would be nice it there was an easier way though.
  • ApparitionApparition Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8433Members
    I don't personally consider it cheating unless someone is majorly exploiting it (i.e. Waiting 'til max resources then goin' ready room & repeating.) It's a shame, I do hope they fix it in the new version. It should only pass out the resources if someone LEAVES the game or if someone goes to Ready Room and changes to Marine.. Oh well.
  • ShadowicsShadowics Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7652Members
    edited November 2002
    Why would waiting untill max resources make any difference? You'd give resources all at once instead of in smaller increments, it doesn't give your team any more resources. The purpose of doing it is so the aliens don't lose resources if someone gets disconnected, for example. If they changed it as you suggest it wouldn't make any difference either, they just join marines, hit F4 before they spawn, and rejoin aliens, just a little extra step to distribute resources.
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin--Chompy+Nov 14 2002, 08:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chompy @ Nov 14 2002, 08:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But as long as we're talking about that, Marines shouldn't be going into vents either <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Some vents, such as those on bast, have friggin' <i>ladders</i> in them! Some can only be welded by venturing into their deep, dark, scary works. If the mapper has left the ability for marines to enter a vent, let them! It is <i>not</i> an exploit!
  • IdenIden Join Date: 2002-10-16 Member: 1513Members
    I consider it a 'cheat' and often threaten those who try this with bans, it's funny to hear from Monse that it's a valid tactic but also heard that Flayra says it's an 'exploit' and will be fixed.

    Of course both of these are 'heard it from a friend of a friend' so both might be made up. Can Monse or Flayra come on and say something?
  • WardancerWardancer Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3609Members
    about the vents thing, i thean heavys should be unable to go inte vents, only light armour should allow that, since the heavy guy is BIG, too big to fit in a vent
  • TwexTwex Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4999Members
    i don't consider it an exploit; it's just an option to make a sacrifice for the greater good of the team, and i consider options and choices a good thing for games.

    even if it IS an exploit, i wonder how it can be fixed. if the resources are permanently destroyed when leaving the team, that opens up much bigger exploit/grief opportunities.
  • TikiTorchBobTikiTorchBob Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8527Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But as long as we're talking about that, Marines shouldn't be going into vents either <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    And what happens when all the alien hives are dead and a lone skulk is hiding in the vents? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • f3rretf3rret Join Date: 2002-05-29 Member: 686Members
    You do realize that once you're at 33, your resources go into the main alien pool, and are given out to anyone who has room, right?

    So, you could just stay skulk at 33 res, and all the res will go to gorges. Either way, I think that's how it was designed. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SlycasterSlycaster Limited Edition Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 24Members, NS1 Playtester
    This is considered one of the biggest exploits in the game. Yes its cheating, and it will never be allowed in any official NS games/matches.
  • magic_cancer_hamstermagic_cancer_hamster Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2253Members
    edited November 2002
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So, you could just stay skulk at 33 res, and all the res will go to gorges. Either way, I think that's how it was designed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Exactly. When you have 33 resources and readyroom, thats 33 resources to the rest of the team, plus whatever tiny extra bit the team got if the towers cycled and threw the difference between teams into their output (if you didn't get back to the alien themed door in time (No more opening game menus to not work for me, yes! (if anyone knows how to fix that for other mods, please tell))). Now that you're at 0 resources, you aren't full and aren't passing spare points to the gorge anyway. So no real difference, unless you consider that everyone except for a gorge could do this at once and a gorge would have the resources for another hive. Now that I think about it, that is an exploit. But what if a team member leaves? For some reason, people don't want to switch to the enemy side because of uneven teams (you just helped a squad build a turret farm at a node and now you have to take it down? im never willing to switch to marines when they are down on teammates (How do you like it now? 5 marines, 7 aliens! (And I don't like the marine argument that they actually have 1 less player because the commander isnt out there fighting. Gorges aren't combat junkies either. And they never get any thanks, unlike the commander.))). Now, you have a member less and the resources they ate up are gone. If that person crashed or lost sound and came back in, you lost those points, and they are now saving up again (drawing away from the resource pool). So either the readyroom switch helps a gorge in need of resources get a hive up too fast but helps the team out when someone leaves or crashes. Or if its taken out, then you can't get instahives but will be hurt by one member less even more.

    But all that matters is balance. Are instahives more dangerous than a team that can have resources that could have gone somewhere else just disappear? (Stupid omniscent-yet-hassled© marine commander. Yay for such huge differences between team concepts and only such small issues being a problem)

    Readyroom switch might not be much of a problem if team balance code is implemented and you are in danger of losing your spot on the alien team. (But how often do you see people begging to be let into the alien team? Even though aliens are the best (Eventually everyone will either get tired of marine being the same old fps and go alien. Or they will learn the fun of squad- and team-work. Or it will only be the team work people and the CS pieces of crap that never learn and think they're great anyway))
  • RokiyoRokiyo A.K.A. .::FeX::. Revenge Join Date: 2002-10-10 Member: 1471Members, Constellation
    Why don't they just program it so that a player keeps his resources until he either disconnects or joins the marines? That way players can go to the rr and back all they want and it wont have an effect, they'll actually have to dc and come back in, which will take longer and has a higher risk of letting the marines come in and attack while the aliens are gone.

    I love it how the offensive chambers always remember who built them. I've been in games where marines are getting killed by players who left the game an hour ago! I wonder how it will look if a gorge builds up a few off chambers, and then joins the marine team and runs into them?

    [907th] PFC. Revenge killed [907th] PFC. Revenge
  • RokiyoRokiyo A.K.A. .::FeX::. Revenge Join Date: 2002-10-10 Member: 1471Members, Constellation
    edited November 2002
    Oops... Double post... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin--Wardancer+Nov 15 2002, 09:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wardancer @ Nov 15 2002, 09:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->about the vents thing, i thean heavys should be unable to go inte vents, only light armour should allow that, since the heavy guy is BIG, too big to fit in a vent<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Agreed.
  • JasperJasper Join Date: 2002-04-08 Member: 390Members
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  • BeetlejuiceBeetlejuice Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7542Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This is considered one of the biggest exploits in the game. Yes its cheating, and it will never be allowed in any official NS games/matches. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    If this really would be one of the biggest exploits in the game than ns could be happy. This is an exploit without any doubt. There is no menu point for the aliens to redistribute rp so finding a way to do it anyway is exploiting the game. But you can hardly call it cheating. It only enables the aliens to do something the marines have automatically, it is only usefull very early in the game and then the rp you redistribute are very few and it has some drawbacks.
    I would not do this in a game because if the designers of this game would have wanted the aliens to redistribute their rp they would have made a menu point for it and not forcing them to go to ready room. But i dont fall into panic if someone does it cause it doesnt do a big difference.
    I hope they fix it next patch mainly to stop these discussions about it. I just hope they dont mess with the alien resource pool when fixing it. Dont want to see a minor exploit fixed to get great problems like player logs out, aliens loose massive resources, player changes team, aliens loose massive resources, player gets disconnected, aliens loose massive resources...
  • TacoSupremeTacoSupreme Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2562Members
    I dont think you should hold resources from your team if you sit in the readyroom, sometimes I dont feel like playing and go to the readyroom to chat with some friends, and I would hate it if I was holding some of my teams resources while doing so.
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