GTX 480 Performance in Build 151

Hugh

<div class="IPBDescription">Does anyone have one?</div>Hi everyone,

I'm considering switching from a 5870 to a 480 to take advantage of Adobe's CS5 Mercury engine. If I could use Mercury, I could pump out much more footage than I can now.

Does anyone have any experience with the framerates achieved by a 480 in build 151, at 1920x1080? I imagine there is little difference between them, given that (as far as I know) Spark doesn't use tesselation. I have to check though, because if I can't FRAPS at 30fps on a 480 in these early builds then the NS2HD name becomes false advertising.

If you have one and are willing to share numbers, could you also identify your CPU?

kabab

Its way to early to get any real performance numbers to base anything on really..

Also seeing as they will want to make the game as accessible to as many people as possible I'd say any currently generation GPU will be more then sufficient to give you good framerates...

What your seeing now is in no way I think representative of the final performance.

Hugh

<!--quoteo(post=1801852:date=Oct 18 2010, 12:27 PM:name=kabab)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kabab @ Oct 18 2010, 12:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1801852"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Its way to early to get any real performance numbers to base anything on really..

Also seeing as they will want to make the game as accessible to as many people as possible I'd say any currently generation GPU will be more then sufficient to give you good framerates...

What your seeing now is in no way I think representative of the final performance.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Thanks for the reply Kabab but that doesn't really apply to me. I already have a current generation GPU, and I already get great framerates. I don't want to improve my framerates, I want to use Mercury. I just need to be sure that before I take the $$$ hit, the quality of NS2HD is not going to suffer.

I need approximate 480 for numbers for Build 151, not final release, because I am reporting, not waiting to play. Even if 152 yields a 10% improvement, I need to be able to FRAPS 151 at 30fps.

Anyone got one of these 400w toasters and want to share some experience :)?

WhiteZero

I'm sure you'll get plenty of FPS now and even more in the future. I don't know why you are worried about this now.

SentrySteve

Despite your clear question about the Mercury engine I'm going to offer no useful information while reassuring you something you're not concerned about, say framerates, will be fine. For my second sentence I'm going to pretend you didn't post why you'd like this information so I can act perplexed as to why you're asking.

Hugh

lol, SentrySteve if I had not seen your post I would have been driven to despair by WhiteZero's.

To summarise: <b>I already get good FPS. I don't want to improve my FPS. I want to replace a 5870 with a 480, for reasons not in any way related to NS2 fps(Mercury). So I need to know if the 480 gives equivelent FPS to the 5870 in Spark</b>

My wallet's health depends on the input of a 480 owner out there...

EDIT: Although my wallet is probably hoping I don't get a reply, because then I won't have an excuse to do the swap. The 5870 trade in price will likely be abysmal! :(

WhiteZero

I think it was obvious that you are not worried about getting <b>more</b> FPS at this point. But the entire question is moot anyway, since the game is going to be optimized to the point where a comparison now will be totally irrelevant after each patch.

In order to know the real comparison between the two cards, there would have to already be someone out there that has switched from a 5870 to a 480 while having otherwise identical, which I'm guessing there has not been yet.

In order to get accurate information to answer your core issue of capturing with FRAPS, you are going to need to compare with someone with nearly the exact hardware as you but with a 480... so it would be of great benefit if you posted your full specs.

So I guess you get to be first to tell us, NS2HD.
Get the 480 from somewhere you can return it if it does not suit your needs.

kabab

The state the game is in now there will be sweet ###### all performance difference...

Wheeee

this is now a joke thread where everyone tells NS2HD that this is alpha and that framerate performance will go up before the final release.

Hugh

<!--quoteo(post=1801863:date=Oct 18 2010, 02:49 PM:name=Wheeee)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wheeee @ Oct 18 2010, 02:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1801863"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->this is now a joke thread where everyone tells NS2HD that this is alpha and that framerate performance will go up before the final release.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

:D hahaha!

Hugh

(double post, I know, I'm sorry)

White Zero, cool essay, not interested.

Could no one please post below this line:

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Unless they have a GTX 480, on any hardware, and can give me an approximation of the FPS they achieve in build 151 OR they are participating in Wheeee's efforts which I wholeheartedly support.

FuzionMonkey

I don't have a 480, but you'll find that in pretty much all benchmarks a 480 will outperform a 5870.

<a href="http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/158?vs=162" target="_blank">http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/158?vs=162</a>

Unless the Spark engine is a strange outlier, I doubt you will see a reduction in framerate.

WhiteZero

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White Zero, cool essay, not interested.

Could no one please post below this line:

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Unless they have a GTX 480, on any hardware, and can give me an approximation of the FPS they achieve in build 151 OR they are participating in Wheeee's efforts which I wholeheartedly support.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So you're not interested in accurate comparisons?
Someone with a 2.4GHz Dual Core CPU and 3GB of RAM is going to have a <b>very</b> different result recording with FRAPs than someone with a 3.6Ghz Quad Core and 8GB of RAM, as an example. There is a large margin of variance here.

But if you are not worried about that, whatever, I tried to help. Good luck.

TychoCelchuuu

<!--quoteo(post=1801874:date=Oct 18 2010, 01:37 AM:name=WhiteZero)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WhiteZero @ Oct 18 2010, 01:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1801874"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So you're not interested in accurate comparisons?
Someone with a 2.4GHz Dual Core CPU and 3GB of RAM is going to have a <b>very</b> different result recording with FRAPs than someone with a 3.6Ghz Quad Core and 8GB of RAM, as an example. There is a large margin of variance here.

But if you are not worried about that, whatever, I tried to help. Good luck.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly, normal cross-comparisons only work because the engines have had all the kinks worked out and have had their performance stabilized across various machines. There's really no way to know what's up until you actually make the swap.

Hugh

Good info FuzionMonkey, thanks. Can't believe I haven't seen the AnandTech comparison tool before.

My only concern stems from the fact that Fermi is far more parrallel than Cypress, and that might not be optimal for Spark. Given I hover around 30fps now, I have very little room to move with recording the alpha, but based on those graphs I've got more than a 10% margin of error there.

You poor ######s though, if I do this I'll be spitting out videos so fast I'll get a speeding ticket from YouTube. If you watch NS2HD and aren't sick of my accent, you will be!

If anyone on the forum is interested in video editing and hasn't heard of Mercury, check it out. I'm blown away by what it can do. Makes my hex-core seem like a redundant investment.

weezl

a bit late to the discussion.. but gtx480 + c2d e6850 3GHz @ 3.6 here

"measuring" just by feel:
i get 30-50 fps.
when going around in the map i sometimes get microfreezes, think the game is loading in new textures or something, cos later they disappear.
the game settles at mostly 40-50 i would say.
(had a 88gts320 before and got 5-20 fps :P)

i've also checked CPU and GPU utilization:
CPU: both my cores hover between 80-95%
GPU: 30-40%

yes, i'm fully aware that my CPU is bottlenecking, planning an upgrade to the most badass AMD 6-core around newyear.
so the point is that you also need a good CPU with that new gtx480.


edit: and yeah, 1920x1080 also, gaming on my TV...

SgtBarlow

I upgraded from an nvidia 8800GTX to a 460GTX
The FPS between the two is the same because the GPU Procesor is being maxed out by these GPU based caculations like culling and physics, Currently being optimized as we speak and the clock speed differences bewteen the 2 is only on the Core clock where the 460 is 100Mhz faster. I probs got about 5 fps more.

The Differance between an ATi Card and an nVIdia card of the same equivalance is:

<!--coloro:#00BFFF--><span style="color:#00BFFF"><!--/coloro--><b><u>ATi has higher clock speeds fewer shaders.</u>
<u>nVidia has lower clock speeds more shaders.</u></b><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

In the engines current build, Switching from ATi to nVidia on this engine will = Lower FPS, But if the next patch has huge improvements in the choke of the GPU processing that wont matter, As its ATi's higher clock speeds giving the current advantage.

Then next patch could possibly mean that the nVidia card will win over an ATi card if the processing is no longer an issua because the extra shaders on an nVidia card will handle the drawing of shadows and lighting much better.


At this stage it could lean the other way, I would stick with your ATi card for now as my friend gets 20 fps more than i do on his ATi 5870 versus the 8800 GTX (<i>Remeber my upgrade from this to 460 did a smidge to the FPS</i>) , I will give you nudge after the next patch if the situations change if you have not already got the nVidia Card.

Snougar

Personally, I can't justify spending $550AUD on a GPU purely for Premiere. I've got a Q6600 at 3.4GHz with a HD5850 and Premiere CS5 runs as smooth as butter for me. Also a lot of what you encoding, if its for the NS2HD channel, is really pretty simple and shouldn't take a whole lot of power to do (Compared to the demonstration where Adobe show off the mercury engine doing 9 PiP's, each with over-lays, etc. And who does that?).

If I had the money and I REALLY needed GPUPU/CUDA, I'd wait for the GTX470/480 refreshes sometime this Q4. Sell off the HD5870 and get one.

Also remember FRAPS is heavily bottlenecked by the CPU and harddrive. A fast Secondary drive (say a Spinpoint F3/F4) even an SSD would help a fair bit. Also if you are on a hex core, try setting FRAPs CPU core affinity to which-ever core is being used the LEAST.

SgtBarlow

The GPU accelerations with nVidia in that App offers much better perfomace whilst editing footage. I think you can render out via GPU in CS5 with an nVidia Card? That would too mean faster compile of the movies where FX are applied.
The 460 gave me much faster previews and playback in After Effects CS4 for its improved support for CUDA as well as supporting DirectCompute 5.0

Obraxis

I have a GeForce 470 with a i7 920. I get between 25fps all the way up to 70+ depending on the map on build 151.

And yes, they're great with CS5 suite.

Hugh

<!--quoteo(post=1801909:date=Oct 18 2010, 10:02 PM:name=weezl)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (weezl @ Oct 18 2010, 10:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1801909"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->a bit late to the discussion.. but gtx480 + c2d e6850 3GHz @ 3.6 here "measuring" just by feel: i get 30-50 fps.

yes, i'm fully aware that my CPU is bottlenecking, planning an upgrade to the most badass AMD 6-core around newyear.
so the point is that you also need a good CPU with that new gtx480.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Thankyou weezl! Exactly the kind of info I needed. If you're referring to the 1090T, I'm running one at the moment, it will not dissapoint!

<!--quoteo(post=1801917:date=Oct 19 2010, 12:27 AM:name=MaLaKa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaLaKa @ Oct 19 2010, 12:27 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1801917"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Personally, I can't justify spending $550AUD on a GPU purely for Premiere.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Neither. I can get the 480 for AU$540, and have a mate who may buy the 5870 for $380. When you have uni, and a job, paying $160 to cut preview/render times by 75% is a quality of life investment :P

EDIT: Mistyped price as 440... Wow I wish.

<!--quoteo(post=1801920:date=Oct 19 2010, 12:45 AM:name=SgtBarlow)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SgtBarlow @ Oct 19 2010, 12:45 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1801920"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think you can render out via GPU in CS5 with an nVidia Card? That would too mean faster compile of the movies where FX are applied.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Exactly. :)

<!--quoteo(post=1801926:date=Oct 19 2010, 02:20 AM:name=Obraxis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Obraxis @ Oct 19 2010, 02:20 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1801926"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have a GeForce 470 with a i7 920. I get between 25fps all the way up to 70+ depending on the map on build 151.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Thanks so much Obraxis. It's simple statements like this I've been watching this thread for.

SgtBarlow

Holy ######? $440 for the 460?

How much would shipping cost you from the UK because at the current exchange rate you could import one from Retail inc VAT $235 Aussi Dollars



** Ah right a 480, yeh thats about right $550 ish

Dictator93

I have gtx 470 SLI, and get pretty great performance, but, literally only 30% GPU Utilization. still 40-70 FPS. Cannot imagine how it would run with better GPU utiliation. Probably a Billion FPS. :D

Snougar

I would still wait it out until the GTX480s are refreshed.

Have a looky at <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=110459&hl=" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...=110459&hl=</a>

Also, I hope your mate doesn't buy the HD5870 off you. They are $390 new :P