so about that machine gun alt fire
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Join Date: 2009-06-05 Member: 67694Members
Join Date: 2009-06-05 Member: 67694Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Whats it's intended use?</div>I just wanted to know, if 40 damage is an acceptable alt fire, considering skulks have 80 total damage taken before death atm, and fades having 450.(the only ones the alt fire really applies to)
I mean if it were up to me it'd be an effect that would give the marine a second or 2 spare time, with diminishing effects(see deadspace or the fade trailer)
I mean if it were up to me it'd be an effect that would give the marine a second or 2 spare time, with diminishing effects(see deadspace or the fade trailer)
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Having some sort of lock-down with an alien if you press it just in time the alien strikes would be awesome (like the fade trailer).
This would give you a few seconds while the animation plays and any marine buddies around can spray, say the fade, full of bullets while it cannot move.
Not sure how this would work with the skulk. Maybe you'd push it back a few meters since it's quite small.
Although again, no point in doing this yet because of the lag.
I support this idea!
Having some sort of lock-down with an alien if you press it just in time the alien strikes would be awesome (like the fade trailer).
This would give you a few seconds while the animation plays and any marine buddies around can spray, say the fade, full of bullets while it cannot move.
Not sure how this would work with the skulk. Maybe you'd push it back a few meters since it's quite small.
Although again, no point in doing this yet because of the lag.
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A lock down with any alien outside of the Behemoth (right?) sounds like a bad ass idea, or even a slight stun? Something like in Left 4 Dead 2.
A big no to paralyzing effects, as we always say.
Perhaps it could be used as a parrying move? Use it at the right time, and the attacker's is pushed back slightly and deals no (or reduced) damage.
Obviously wouldn't work against an Onos though.
Of course it would. It would fuction like this:
The Onos attacks you and you block the attack. You then swing up on it´s back legolas-style and then ride it into battle, stomping and crushing the poor skulks.
Yeah.
The Onos attacks you and you block the attack. You then swing up on it´s back legolas-style and then ride it into battle, stomping and crushing the poor skulks.
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I lol'd. Thanks.
+1
AVP has proven that mechanic doesn't work.
Blurred vision maybe?
The alien side is heavily based on melee atack...all you would need is one marine to connect a hit with the alt fire and the skulk/fade etc is either dead...or almost dead.
Also...for a free, no upgrade requred, BASIC atack like that...it shouldnt even have those effects.
I think the original purpose of it was to be used as a last resort atack when you run out of bullets (just my own guess), but it dosent make sense seeing that you already have the Axe..which serves the exact same purpose.
Yes, the alt bashing-with-your-gun atack is quicker then the Axe, and you dont have to switch wep during a fight. <b>But then wtf is the use of the axe now???</b> I mean i can just run around and bash resource towers with my gun now to save bullets...something that the knife/axe used to be very useful for...
I'd say change the alt fire to something else and leave the BASIC MARINE MELEE ATACK to be done with the Axe...thats what the Axe is for...
It could be anything...e.g..increase rate of fire but lower accuracy...or whatever...anything but a melee atack....because i forsee the Axe becoming very useless when the game becomes playable....
The taser idea got flamed into oblivion. We've quietly let it pass on.
You have a point. Maybe an upgradable laserpointer so other marines can see where you're aiming? :D
I mean it shouldn't be a problem for the engine since we have dynamic lightning, flashlights and whatnot.
A team of marines searching dark corridors with laserpointers would be very atmospheric!
EDIT: with a limited battery ofc
Alien players could see the lasers and know exactly where the marines are looking, even when they're not being cautious, and from distances that are unfair.
To me it makes sense to include this against skulks, lerks and fades (sans the rediculous amount of attacks of course).
Today they are called quicktime events afaik.
The alien side is heavily based on melee atack...all you would need is one marine to connect a hit with the alt fire and the skulk/fade etc is either dead...or almost dead.
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... machine guns are free, they dont require upgrades and its basic attack kills a skulk in half a second if locked on... meanwhile thier alt fire does nothing... dps wise the machine gun primary fire will be superior... imo it needs a revamp to be made more useful or to be taken and replaced with something else, like someone mentioned higher fire rate(good for fades in your face i'd say, worse for skulks)
Purely cosmetic and atmoshpere-inducing mindboggling effect.
Alien players could see the lasers and know exactly where the marines are looking, even when they're not being cautious, and from distances that are unfair.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well nowadays Laserpointers are used to blind the enemy so this might be an additional use, dont make it as irritating as the Flamer blind, just make it feel like something very bright hit your eyes. This way u get the effect of easier focused fire and a mini blind that can safe your ass when a Skulk is running at you like a Berserk. Ofc make it just a mini blind just enough to give the marine a chance to dodge away for like 1 bite
Also I can't see this working in a reasonable way. Would it blind the skulk simply when aiming at it? No thanks.
So you don't have to switch to it, and because the hatchet is meant more for buildings than for head-on fights. The hatchet is still useful because of its speed, but it could use a good buff against players.
Almost every marine weapon revealed could be used to smack aliens around with the butt of the gun, so why not add a Melee key?
Of course the crosshair is more than fine as it is, and laserpointers as mentioned will only give out your position to nearby aliens.
But seriously, what's wrong with fluff? It looks cool and it fits perfectly within NS2's atmosphere. The aliens probably know where you are anyway.
I can't think of any other good uses as a secondary fire except for a melee attack.
Automatic:
- Low accuracy
- High rate of fire
- Average damage
Burst:
- High accuracy
- Low rate of fire
- High<b>er</b> damage (I mean the change near negligible)
Opinions?
The problem with the swipe is that if its effective it will take out the use of the dedicate melee weapon ( the axe ) , if not its a waste of a alt ability.
Personally I would ditch the rifle swipe ( it brings up fears of L4D style swipe teams ) , adjust the fire cone of the main fire mode to be wider ( inaccurate at longer ranges ) and add a aim down sight function for the alt weapon mode of the rifle with a much improved accuracy but make it that the aim down sight decreases / limits the view to the sides .. like a zoom.
In short, ditch the swipe and make the rifle alt fire switch to modes : aimed shots ( zoomed, looking down the sights, slower rate of fire, more accurate) or burst fire ( faster rate of fire, inaccurate beyond medium range, doesnt impede vision ).
It fits better than a swipe mode, dont forget that the aliens are suppose to be masters at melee range ... giving the Marines an easy manner to melee when a alien gets to its main attack range is unfair to the alien team, ESPECIALLY if you add things like pushbacks.
1.A scenario when fighting skulks; a skilled player could wack a skulk with it not necessarily disabling it in anyway but knocking them them to the side some but not slowing them (damage optional). Makes this more of a defensive move but i think it would be more balanced and effective rather than some big damage melee attack.
2. I hope it wouldn't do any significant damage and no damage to any other Alien lifeforms other than a gorge and skulk.
Alternative Alt Fire:
1.I really would like to see some sort of sights that could be upgraded and added on to the LMG though for a secondary fire; the spread on the fire is pretty big at a distance currently.
2. I don't like the idea of LMG firing modes, I rather have the penalty for using sights being your visibility is somewhat lessened by the muzzle flash.
So for structures or out of ammo, switch to axe. But for a quick smack to a skulk when your clip is empty and they are in your face, alt-fire... In a lot of situations it could very well finish them off. Just think, they're running at you and you used most of your clip while they are coming out you, dodging around... they leap at you *smack* dead. It shouldn't do damage to fades and onos though in my opinion.
For some alternatives though, I could quickly think of two things.
Or maybe a more accurate 3-round burst or something...
Or maybe it negates the dmg from a skulks first bite if they leaped at you and you manage to hit them in the face (no knockback or anything)
HOWEVER, I think its too early to try and change. I see potential in it, and like the usage I could get out of the alt-fire how it is now.
There is use both for it, and the axe, even the way it is now.