Asking question on requirements

louis cardinal

<div class="IPBDescription">Anyone where with some broad knowledge on Ns2 please guide me</div>Okay this is from www.naturalselection2.com

<i>1.2 GHz Processor, 256MB RAM, a DirectX 9 level graphics card, Windows Vista/2000/XP, Steam, mouse, keyboard and an internet connection. The beta is not fully optimized <u>so a more powerful system is recommended.</u></i>

ok these are parts from my dxdiag:

SYSTEM INFORMATION:

BIOS: Ver 1.00PARTTBL
Processor: AMD Athlon™ Neo X2 Dual Core Processor L335 (2 CPUs), ~1.6GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 2046MB RAM
Page File: 1445MB used, 2646MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7600.16385 32bit Unicode

DISPLAY DEVICES:

Card name: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3410
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x95C4)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95C4&SUBSYS_3055103C&REV_00
Display Memory: 1276 MB
Dedicated Memory: 509 MB
Shared Memory: 766 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 800 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: 一般 PnP 監視器
Monitor Model: unknown
Monitor Id: CMO1233
Native Mode: 1280 x 800(p) (59.999Hz)
Output Type: Internal
Driver Name: atiumdag.dll,atidxx32.dll,atidxx64,atiumdva.cap,atiumd64,atiumd6a,atitmm64
Driver File Version: 8.14.0010.0678 (English)
Driver Version: 8.635.0.0
DDI Version: 10.1
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/5/2009 15:29:16, 3105280 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-D684-11CF-2A71-5F10A1C2C535}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x95C4
SubSys ID: 0x3055103C
Revision ID: 0x0000
Driver Strong Name: oem2.inf:ATI.Mfg.NTx86.6.1:ati2mtag_M72:8.635.0.0:pci\ven_1002&dev_95c4&subsys_3055103c
Rank Of Driver: 00E60001
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{3C5323C1-6FB7-44F5-9081-056BF2EE449D}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{552C0DAD-CCBC-420B-83C8-74943CF9F1A6}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
D3D9 Overlay: Not Supported
DXVA-HD: Not Supported
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled

Now would you say that i have the "requirements" for ns2 fufilled? =( if not i better get a greater computer.

PaiSand

Yes, you are fine with this.
I don't see any problem. Lets wait for other opinions about it.

ASnogarD

I would say your pushing your luck with that setup , the memory for one is a bit small and the CPU is a tad weak.
I would estimate the best you could get away with is Medium settings but I would GUESS you would end up on the awfull settings before long.

I would be very impressed if that setup ran NS 2 well to be honest, even when it is optimised for release.

... at the very minimal 2gig ram is too little for gaming on a Vista OS.

Runteh

Ha, no way.

I have a laptop running dual core, 2.2 Ghz, 4 gig of Ram and a Mobility Radeon 3475 (or something).

I have to run in 640x480... and whilst playable on lowest settings, the FPS is horrid. (Between 18 - 35, usually on the worst side of the equation)

However, I think it is still worth the purchase if you enjoy following develpment - and things will change once they start properly optimising the game, and it should run a lot better.

louis cardinal

i have plans to purchase my own custom desktop but for now my alternative is my crappy lattop =)

thanks anyways and o well... no ns2 for now =)...

Wheeee

your mobility radeon will choke pretty hard. i'd be surprised if it got more than 10-15 fps in game right now.

Runteh

I was hoping I could upgrade my graphics card in my laptop, but I don't think it is possible. Major bummer. It would run fine with a better graphics card I reckon. Well, good enough for me.

Chris0132

<!--quoteo(post=1816794:date=Dec 17 2010, 09:03 PM:name=ASnogarD)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASnogarD @ Dec 17 2010, 09:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816794"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would say your pushing your luck with that setup , the memory for one is a bit small and the CPU is a tad weak.
I would estimate the best you could get away with is Medium settings but I would GUESS you would end up on the awfull settings before long.

I would be very impressed if that setup ran NS 2 well to be honest, even when it is optimised for release.

... at the very minimal 2gig ram is too little for gaming on a Vista OS.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

My 7 pc runs most games fine with 2gb ram.

I wouldn't set the textures to super duper high but most everything else works fine.

yourbonesakin

Definitely not going to get 60 Frames Per Second running any game released in the last year and definitely not any game released in the future. And that's a bare minimum for playability. Anything less than 60 FPS will definitely kill your ability to compete (unless you only play commander). I'd say you'll get 20 FPS in NS2 with that computer, which is less than unbearable.

I'd say hit up tomshardware.com and look at their System Builder Marathons they do every month. They try building the best possible PCs they can in three general price areas: $2000, $1000, and $700. Then they test the FPS in about 4 games at different resolutions and quality settings to give lots of information on just how well the money was spent.

When NS2 comes out in 2-3 months, the $1000 computer tomshardware puts together should be just right for getting 70-80 FPS in NS2 with 1280x1080 resolution. If you don't want to do lots of research, just following tomshardware and picking out the computer they have built and tested is very recommendable. You also know that all the parts are compatible. Of course look at the previous months' $1000 dollar computers also, because sometimes tomshardware strays from what they think is best and follows reader requests to test interesting computer part combinations. By interesting I mean bad. Of course, the FPS tests will show this and the writers will tell you this throughout the article ("We followed reader requests to buy $600 more for graphics cards instead of getting a non-###### CPU like we usually buy. We really shouldn't have done that, as the tests show. Putting the last month's computer up against this month's computer makes that really obvious."). Just FYI.

Definitely do not buy any computer parts until Intel's new CPU processors come out in january with their "Sandy Bridge" announcement (For that matter, your CPU should probably be an Intel CPU). The old (and very good) CPU's will have their prices cut, and new CPU's will of course perform better than the old CPU's at the prices the old CPU's are going at now. If you buy now so close to a new CPU release, you're definitely losing out. I'd wait until February 15th for all the price changes to the old CPU's and the information on just how good "Sandy Bridge" CPU's really are to come out so you can make an informed decision.

Edit: Oh, and never ever run Windows Vista for performance (or anything). Get Windows 7 if you ever get a new computer. I repeat, do not ever get Windows Vista.

ASnogarD

Look , 2 gigs is too little for Win 7...if you are not going more than 2 gig then stick with XP, seriously ... Vista and Win7 are memory hogs, the same game in XP with 2 gigs will run considerably better than in Vista/ Win 7 BUT if you got some RAM to kick around Win 7 is as good as XP but with dx 10 and 11 support...not better , as good as.

yourbonesakin

Yar. Only reason to get Windows 7 is so you can run more than 3.3 gigabytes of RAM. If you only have 2 gigabytes, Windows XP should be the choice. The difference is that Windows XP can only handle about 3.3 gigabytes of RAM and Windows 7 can only handle 8 gigabytes of RAM.

But 2 gigabytes isn't enough for NS2, since it takes a $1000 computer to run it anyway and RAM only costs $50 per 2 gigabytes. Spending $1000 on everything and then saving $50 on RAM is silly. Just get $50 more RAM so you have 4 gigabytes total to be reasonably safe. I'd get 6 gigabytes to be sure that you have enough. But I'm paranoid, and 4 gigabytes should be just fine.

I think Windows XP should be okay with 4 gigabytes of RAM (even though it can't use all of that). I know for sure 2 gigabytes is retarded for Windows 7.

I didn't mention Windows Vista because that thing is terrible and never an option.

Wheeee

it doesn't take a $1000 computer. i built mine for 600 in august and it runs just fine.

Karba

<!--quoteo(post=1816848:date=Dec 17 2010, 11:25 PM:name=yourbonesakin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yourbonesakin @ Dec 17 2010, 11:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816848"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->When NS2 comes out in 2-3 months......<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

joke of the day inside lol

yourbonesakin

<!--quoteo(post=1816868:date=Dec 17 2010, 09:09 PM:name=Wheeee)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wheeee @ Dec 17 2010, 09:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816868"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->it doesn't take a $1000 computer. i built mine for 600 in august and it runs just fine.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Our definitions of fine probably differ severely.

Mine is: Runs 1280x1080 + high settings with average FPS >= 70 and minimum FPS >= 50.

What FPS do you get and at what resolution/quality setting?

<!--quoteo(post=1816880:date=Dec 17 2010, 10:02 PM:name=Karba)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Karba @ Dec 17 2010, 10:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1816880"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->joke of the day inside lol<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're right, I was too optimistic. Probably 6 months or a year. But if that's true, then a $1000 computer made when NS2 comes out might actually be overkill.