Help with mouselag not playable

mreemree Join Date: 2011-01-12 Member: 77226Members
I downloaded ns2 yesterday and found it is not playable. The mouse lag is intens and it dosen't help when I lower the grahpics to low and res to 1024 x

my system specs:

Intel core 2 duo t5800 @ 2.00ghz
4gb ram
windows 7 32
Nvidia geforce 9300m GS 512mb

I can play games like dod source perfectly, but ns2 is not playable. Is the engine so different?

I'm not sure if opengl or direct 3d has anything to do with it.

Can anyone help me out?

thanks!

Comments

  • mreemree Join Date: 2011-01-12 Member: 77226Members
    I see that it might have something to do with the beta version and not my system?
  • nUfl0wnUfl0w Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42412Members
    correct. and yes the spark engine is not the source engine
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    edited January 2011
    Both the CPU and GPU are old and low end, especially the graphics. (think 7-8 year old GPU performance and 5 year old CPU performance) Optimizations are coming, and while they're targeting low end systems, I don't personally have much hope for those specifications.
  • HughHugh Cameraman San Francisco, CA Join Date: 2010-04-18 Member: 71444NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts
    The 9300m just isn't up to the task mate. I've got one and mine struggles too, even paired with a P9600. I'm not sure whether Spark will be playable on these low end cards at any point. Source is extremely old... There's limits to how backwards-compatible/scalable new engines like Spark can be.

    Be hopeful though, when the game gets closer to release it may become possible to play it on very low end cards. I sure hope so, I'd love to play some NS2 on my laptop!
  • PsYcH0_Ch!cKeNPsYcH0_Ch!cKeN Join Date: 2009-12-11 Member: 69601Members
    I wouldn't mark it down as "unusable" just yet. The engine doesn't make proper use of any GPU at the moment. I have a pair of brand new Radeon 6950's running with an overclocked i7 930 and I'm lucky to hit 25fps. The GPU usage generally sits at around 30%, occasionally getting into the mid 40's. It's just not using the resources available, so it's far too early to start writing off any hardware, seeing as it's not actually being used to its full potential anyway.
  • AsranielAsraniel Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 724Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
    just wait for the moment, the engine has yet to be optimized.
  • mreemree Join Date: 2011-01-12 Member: 77226Members
    Thanks for all the reply's guys. I'll have to wait patiently for the final release and see if that will solve my problem. I guess its back to playing NS :)
  • CamronCamron Join Date: 2011-01-06 Member: 76356Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1823935:date=Jan 13 2011, 05:15 AM:name=PseudoKnight)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PseudoKnight @ Jan 13 2011, 05:15 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1823935"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Both the CPU and GPU are old and low end, especially the graphics. (think 7-8 year old GPU performance and 5 year old CPU performance) Optimizations are coming, and while they're targeting low end systems, I don't personally have much hope for those specifications.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    According to the Official NS2 FAQ, he should be fine.
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->A 1.2 GHz Processor, 256MB RAM, a DirectX 9 level graphics card, Windows Vista/2000/XP, Steam, mouse, keyboard and of course, an internet connection. We are working hard to make sure NS2 runs well on average hardware without having to upgrade your machine! We are doing heavy optimization work now.
    Last updated on November 18, 2010 by Charlie Cleveland<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know they probably won't reach that goal, but it's gonna be close.
  • mreemree Join Date: 2011-01-12 Member: 77226Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1823954:date=Jan 13 2011, 01:51 PM:name=Camron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Camron @ Jan 13 2011, 01:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1823954"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->According to the Official NS2 FAQ, he should be fine.

    I know they probably won't reach that goal, but it's gonna be close.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Yeah, thats what i thought. Thats why I bought the game yesterday. I just have to wait awhile.
  • blackpiranhablackpiranha Germany Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14375Members, Constellation
    Try turning off vsynch for that game.
  • mreemree Join Date: 2011-01-12 Member: 77226Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1823960:date=Jan 13 2011, 02:40 PM:name=blackpiranha)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackpiranha @ Jan 13 2011, 02:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1823960"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Try turning off vsynch for that game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    yes tried that, no difference.
  • cookmancookman Join Date: 2003-12-22 Member: 24654Members
    At this point in time, I sugget you waste no further energy on attempting to boost your fps.

    As it is, I still get some mouselag under the rare circumstances where I have 50+ fps.

    Just give the game rest until they optimize the engine. Personally I feel playing under these conditions just make me reflect badly upon the game in the long run, which I don't think would be quite fair.
  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1823941:date=Jan 13 2011, 03:48 AM:name=PsYcH0_Ch!cKeN)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PsYcH0_Ch!cKeN @ Jan 13 2011, 03:48 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1823941"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I wouldn't mark it down as "unusable" just yet. The engine doesn't make proper use of any GPU at the moment. I have a pair of brand new Radeon 6950's running with an overclocked i7 930 and I'm lucky to hit 25fps. The GPU usage generally sits at around 30%, occasionally getting into the mid 40's. It's just not using the resources available, so it's far too early to start writing off any hardware, seeing as it's not actually being used to its full potential anyway.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Those 6950's wouldn't be unlocked, would they?
  • KoruyoKoruyo AUT Join Date: 2009-06-06 Member: 67724Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited January 2011
    As far as i know you can flash every 6950 with a 6970 bios to unlock them => making them 6970 with lower clock speeds. (which can be adjusted too)

    Why wouldnt he unlock them :(?
  • RuntehRunteh Join Date: 2010-06-26 Member: 72163Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited January 2011
    Odd.

    I am playing at 640 x 480 on a Sony Vaio Laptop FW21E.

    Yes, the FPS are very low (17 - 30). But I am not experiencing severe mouse lag, which can be really annoying.

    I wonder if this is a driver issue?

    2.2 Core Duo
    4 Gig Ram
    Radeon 3475? HD Mobility
  • CamronCamron Join Date: 2011-01-06 Member: 76356Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1824132:date=Jan 13 2011, 05:00 PM:name=Koruyo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Koruyo @ Jan 13 2011, 05:00 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1824132"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As far as i know you can flash every 6950 with a 6970 bios to unlock them => making them 6970 with lower clock speeds. (which can be adjusted too)

    Why wouldnt he unlock them :(?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--quoteo(post=0:date=:name=engadget.com)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (engadget.com)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You should be aware that the retail 6970 card uses an 8-pin and a 6-pin connector for its auxiliary power whereas the 6950 only has a pair of 6-pin intakes, which might cause trouble under extreme loads, and there's also the fact that you'll most likely be hacking your warranty away together with your GPU's limitations<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> [via <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/27/amd-radeon-hd-6950-can-be-turned-into-an-hd-6970-using-a-bios-ha/" target="_blank">engadget</a>]
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    edited January 2011
    Based on <a href="http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey" target="_blank">Steam stats</a>, common game spec minimums years ago, benchmarks, and my technical knowledge, I attempted to create some more realistic targets. The minimums were pretty common approximately five years ago.

    My Suggested Target Minimum Specifications (low settings)
    - Windows XP/Vista/7 (future OSX and Linux versions possible)
    - 1GB (XP) or 2GB (Vista/7)
    - 2.8Ghz P4 equivalent processor
    - 128MB DirectX9 compatible video card (6600GT equivalent)

    My Suggested Target Recommended Specifications (high settings)
    - 2GB (XP) or 3GB (Vista/7)
    - Dual core, 2Ghz Core 2 Duo equivalent processor
    - 512MB DirectX9 compatible video card (8800GT equivalent)

    Obviously there's caveats to a spec list like this, but it's what the industry uses. I compared these specs to benchmarks on Left 4 Dead (1680x1050) to make sure they get appropriate performance, even considering the engine differences. The recommended specs get just over 60FPS in that game. I still think the minimum specs might be a bit too optimistic with their work load, but they're targets for a reason.
  • enhaxedenhaxed Join Date: 2011-01-03 Member: 76135Members
    Win XP SP3
    P4 3.0GHz
    2GB RAM
    Geforce GTX280

    NS2 build 160 on High @ 1920x1200 = ~30fps
  • NoOtherDestinyNoOtherDestiny Join Date: 2003-07-31 Member: 18627Members
    I'm on a 2 year old system. Core i7 920 with a GTX295. I've not really experienced any mouse lag that I've noticed or much FPS lag. It does go worse later on with all the building spam like hydras and turrets, but still well playable. I'd think they'd be aiming for 8800GT for min specs now, those cards were on my old computer around 5 years ago or so.

    I just don't get why people don't do a small upgrade. This game won't likely be released for another year at least due to more optimizations etc, and the first computer you used to play NS on likely won't even be able to attempt it, hell I played NS firstly on a computer with a Celeron 466Mhz and an old GeForce card which Ican't remember the name of, I upgraded from a TNT2 lol. Better graphics cards are quite cheap.
  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1824138:date=Jan 13 2011, 03:11 PM:name=Camron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Camron @ Jan 13 2011, 03:11 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1824138"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->[via <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/27/amd-radeon-hd-6950-can-be-turned-into-an-hd-6970-using-a-bios-ha/" target="_blank">engadget</a>]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Nothing is without risks, but if I can get a 6970 for a 6950 price, what's not to love?

    Also, with regards to the op, the major performance problems at the moment are server, not client, side if I understand it right.
  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    edited January 2011
    yea i just played around plenty in a server and tried to notice any mouse lag. not seeing ANY as long as my fps is up (above 30)
    what FPS are you getting with that old 9300 ? might not be mouselag. unless its some driver related issue with your mouse or the game doesnt like your mouse. :) i have a logitech mx 518

    EDIT:

    OH! its 9300m, as in mobile, as in laptop.
    yea. no. as im sure you've already heard the "its an unoptimized beta" line already ill spare you and say this instead: this isnt hl2 source engine circa 2004, use a beefy desktop with modern high end specs if you expect any performance out of this beta currently. i have a i7 @ 3.2ghz with 6 gb 1800 mhz ddr3 ram with a geforce 295gtx and i get decent fps to play, although it is still choppy occasionally. my laptop would be brought to its knees with this game. goodluck.
  • LopezLopez Join Date: 2011-01-14 Member: 77480Members
    Well, on HIGH details, I also experience kinda mouselags - and of course graphic lags.

    Especially when shadows of ventilators appear (which are flickering => buggy?), the fps drops heavily down to 20fps => mouselags.

    On mid details, big rooms in front of me having around 40fps, smaller ones without flickering shadows are 80fps at max. Avg is 50 +/- 30. then the mouselags are not that heavy.

    My system:
    Intel Q9650 @ 4,2Ghz
    AMD 5970 @ watercooled
    8 GB RAM
    1920*1080 @60hz

    I'd suggest to improve the engine soon, too ;)
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