NS2 Rockdown Bugs

radforChrist

<div class="IPBDescription">Things that you've found on the map that the devs need to know</div>Similar to the thread on Tram, issues I found on the map.

<b>General issues:</b>
<ul><li> Sometime the DI infests UNDER a grate, so you don't know it is infesting, or it's SoF doesn't work as well. This is true for both maps.</li><li> Cannot shoot through railings, and hydras/sentries/alien SoF will not register anything behind them.</li></ul>

<b>Map Specific:</b>
<ul><li>Anything behind this railing is protected by it, making it a somewhat exploitable spot for crags and marines to hide, fire, then duck.
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/SstHXl.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

</li><li>Area in front of pipe is slightly exploitable in the fact a marine can crouch there and, due to the melee range of aliens, is very difficult to kill.
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/K1EaZl.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

</li><li>Fell behind this barrel, can't get out.
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/jT7xLl.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></li></ul>

Album here: <a href="http://imgur.com/a/fZVXL#SstHX" target="_blank">http://imgur.com/a/fZVXL#SstHX</a>

Hope that helps you devs, and add your own!

radforChrist

OK, here's more as aliens.
<ul><li>Could we make it so gorges can fit under here? Gorges need to flee!
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/p6tFSl.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

</li><li>FYI, gorges can build ANYWHERE, and it keeps the node from being droppable...
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/Kmsbdl.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

</li><li>I can egg up here, but I can't get down.
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/Zqtgol.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

</li><li>I can come in through this hole, but it's pretty hard to get back out of it. A skulk who wanders here is a dead one...
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/wV3wGl.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

</li><li>Again, I can't go through here as gorge. Healing gorges in vents are fun and necessary.
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/4Stp7l.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

</li><li>Gorge won't fit.
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/OClOMl.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

</li><li>This hose dangling will stop a skulk dead unless he strafes the wall opposite of it.
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/RUvTKl.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

</li><li>Same as above, further down.
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/7s2Btl.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

</li><li>I can egg here, but i can't get out! Hydras are awesome from here, but a gorge is dead if he can't escape.
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/pR1Jol.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></li></ul>
Album here: <a href="http://imgur.com/a/fErs0#p6tFS" target="_blank">http://imgur.com/a/fErs0#p6tFS</a>


NINJAEDIT: Also, could we move the Marine start res node here:
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/9ki4M.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
It's just so crowded at the moment.

ScardyBob

Nice post.

However, I wouldn't hold out for UWE to 'fix' rockdown. They've very clearly stated that rockdown is a test map that won't be released with NS2 v1, so don't expect much more time and effort to be spent on it. I figure they'll be working mostly on tram, mineshaft, and whatever other maps they intend to release with NS2 v1.

Feha

Testmap or not, I do agree they should try and fix some of those issues, some dont have a lot to do with the map, and some others should not be to hard (from the little i know of mapping) and rockdown is 1 of the 2 maps we currently have. The barrel one has to do with the model, and would probably be fixed if they made rines crouch work (jump crouching), or made the edges a 45 degree slope.

Moving the extractor is a good idea i think, should not be to hard either as you can extrude a rectangle on the floor, move the extractor there, while on the other floor you just un-extrude the hole you now have.

The mapping guidelines or gorge model should be changed, if the gorge does not fit in the guidelines for vents and nooks. Changing the gorge model would fix issues in rockdown, changing guidelines should fix problems in the future. I dont think its worth actually resizing the vents though.

The railing props should have a "fixed" collision geometry, so that traces can go trough them.

Other than that, highlighting issues should also serve as something mappers can learn from. As is often said, you can learn from your mistakes.


Still, I think that those maps have way less issues than many finished maps, like I actually suceeded at getting stuck in the very first area of the very first map in hl2 ep2 (the one where your train crashes, you exit it, and find a grav gun). They are simply well-made ;)