My experience so far

DaftmonkeyDaftmonkey Join Date: 2011-10-13 Member: 127185Members
<div class="IPBDescription">it's not a great one 4 hours in</div>I used to play NS back when it was a F2P mod for HL and i very much enjoyed the experience playing on the good ol' gamearena servers in Aus, wanting to revisit this nostalgia i discovered NS2 after watching the youtube promos i sold that this was a solid game, unfortunately after purchasing and gaining access to the beta after 4 hours of messing around I'm left kinda feeling like I should have just given this a miss.

my main issue with the game is the performance issues, first I'll go into the specs of my system

i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 Sli x 2 (2815 MB)
8GB ram
Game running off a SSD

with a system like this I was confident I wasn't going to run into any performance issues but sadly the game seems to want to only run at a measly 15-30 fps
I've tried inputting all commands such as
r_shadows 0/false
r_bloom 0/false
turning off SLI
and a few others that I've seen on the forums but don't see much of a performance boost.

I haven't been able to enjoy the gameplay due to crazy performance issues and I'm just wondering is this the experience all round? is it just me? what have a missed? should i just wait for the beta is over before I return? I'd love to recommend my friends into purchasing NS2 but in its current state it's easier for me to not.
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  • konatakonata Join Date: 2011-08-24 Member: 118296Members
    I get 45FPS max on an i7 / single card 6970.
  • sherpasherpa stopcommandermode Join Date: 2006-11-04 Member: 58338Members
    edited October 2011
    Weird. My system is a lower-powered version of yours but I can keep above 50fps.

    17 950 @ 3.5GHz
    1x 570GT
    8GB RAM
    Win7

    Is there an easy way to disable the second graphics card?
  • konatakonata Join Date: 2011-08-24 Member: 118296Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1879720:date=Oct 13 2011, 06:48 PM:name=sherpa)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sherpa @ Oct 13 2011, 06:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1879720"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is there an easy way to disable the second graphics card?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Take it out of the system? :P
  • RaikoificationRaikoification Join Date: 2011-10-13 Member: 127076Members
    this might be your problem but idk for sure

    but NS2 IIRC does not support direct x 11, so if ur using that, then set launch options to make it run @ dx 10 or 9
  • DaftmonkeyDaftmonkey Join Date: 2011-10-13 Member: 127185Members
    How do i do this? i've forgotten the command line.
  • RaikoificationRaikoification Join Date: 2011-10-13 Member: 127076Members
    edited October 2011
    for direct-x 9 try -dxlevel 90

    for direct-x 10 try -dxlevel 100

    -edit-
    Try 9 first because NS2 was built on directx 9 i believe....
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited October 2011
    Aren't those, Source parameters...
  • RaikoificationRaikoification Join Date: 2011-10-13 Member: 127076Members
    edited October 2011
    Dont you launch this from steam @.@? am i mistaken :o? or does it not work if it doesnt use source engine? if thats true...oops mbad~_~ dunno how to do it then \o/
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited October 2011
    AFAIK parameters are used on init by the engine (Spark in this case), ie: map loading, loading into window mode, skipping intro video's and such, not Steamworks
  • FloodinatorFloodinator [HBZ] Member Join Date: 2005-02-22 Member: 42087Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited October 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1879718:date=Oct 13 2011, 06:35 PM:name=Daftmonkey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Daftmonkey @ Oct 13 2011, 06:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1879718"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I used to play NS back when it was a F2P mod for HL and i very much enjoyed the experience playing on the good ol' gamearena servers in Aus, wanting to revisit this nostalgia i discovered NS2 after watching the youtube promos i sold that this was a solid game, unfortunately after purchasing and gaining access to the beta after 4 hours of messing around I'm left kinda feeling like I should have just given this a miss.

    my main issue with the game is the performance issues, first I'll go into the specs of my system

    i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 Sli x 2 (2815 MB)
    8GB ram
    Game running off a SSD

    with a system like this I was confident I wasn't going to run into any performance issues but sadly the game seems to want to only run at a measly 15-30 fps
    I've tried inputting all commands such as
    r_shadows 0/false
    r_bloom 0/false
    turning off SLI
    and a few others that I've seen on the forums but don't see much of a performance boost.

    I haven't been able to enjoy the gameplay due to crazy performance issues and I'm just wondering is this the experience all round? is it just me? what have a missed? should i just wait for the beta is over before I return? I'd love to recommend my friends into purchasing NS2 but in its current state it's easier for me to not.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I have almost the same specs. Just with HD5870 and a WD HDD.
    But i got and average of 70 FPS in 187 (with 4.7gh oc). You should oc you 2600k (thats why you bought the k so you can oc it) and deactivate sli for NS2.
    Also look in your bios if your RAMs have a XMP profile that runs it at higher specs tested by the manufactor.
    I also force NS2 run on all 8 cores with high priority it also runs on another HD than windows and avirus.
  • c0kec0ke Join Date: 2004-07-02 Member: 29676Members
    i just got an amd 1090t @3,8ghz, radeon 6870 oc and im having 55-60fps ingame, 120fps in rr
  • Dragon-GuardDragon-Guard Join Date: 2011-07-25 Member: 112159Members
    edited October 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1879718:date=Oct 13 2011, 07:35 PM:name=Daftmonkey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Daftmonkey @ Oct 13 2011, 07:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1879718"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 Sli x 2 (2815 MB)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The game doesnt support SLI, so basically your running a single 570 atm, what ress are you playing on?
    I have the same problem with SLI, but with a GTX290, its basically running as a single 260 for me.
    Otherwise my system is somewhat similar but an older generation, i7 920 @ 3,33 with 6gb of ram.
    I dont know your ress but you could try lowering your ress ingame a bit, i did this 1 step, from 1920*1200 to 1680*1050 and this got me about a 10fps boost, not ideal but as the game doesnt have AA yet anyway the difference is minimal.

    You could also try disabling 1 of the GPU's in NS2, you should be able to do this in the NVIDIA control panel under manage 3d settings -> program settings if im not mistaking, depending on your driver version you might have to look a bit, for some odd reason nvidia keeps ###### with the settings, limiting them, moving them and what not.


    <!--quoteo(post=1879724:date=Oct 13 2011, 08:02 PM:name=konata)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (konata @ Oct 13 2011, 08:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1879724"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Take it out of the system? :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Troll some more.
  • CygoneCygone Join Date: 2011-05-29 Member: 101528Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1879724:date=Oct 13 2011, 07:02 PM:name=konata)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (konata @ Oct 13 2011, 07:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1879724"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Take it out of the system? :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    +1
  • elodeaelodea Editlodea Join Date: 2009-06-20 Member: 67877Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Not sure if you did, but check net_Stats
    NS2 is still pretty server intensive so fps that low on a decent rig might have to do with the server you were playing on?
  • DaftmonkeyDaftmonkey Join Date: 2011-10-13 Member: 127185Members
    edited October 2011
    okay i think I've got it only playable, no where near enjoyable unfortunately.
    i lowered my res by half and it gave me a fps boost to 120 - 40 and drops to 20- 10 as soon as i see anyone and in certain areas of summit , disabled SLI and it didn't really do much of a difference and only recently I'm getting an "out of video memory " error in areas when my fps drops.

    as for OC'ing my rig, i don't see a need for it atm and i haven't gotten off my ass to source an after market cooling solution so i won't bother till then, my bios -should- be running ram at the highest settings, i haven't checked as I was sure the bios for this motherboard works that stuff out for itself (probably should check on my next boot).

    edit: also need to mention it's crashing a lot.
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    what video quality are you running on? the vram requirement of the game is rather high right now, with a 1 gig card you'll run into issues running at high quality settings atm.
  • DaftmonkeyDaftmonkey Join Date: 2011-10-13 Member: 127185Members
    i tried running both high and medium than my game crashed so I'm giving it a rest for now before i give up entirely.
    any other theories and or tips on how to up the performances is welcome, i will try anything/everything till I deem it a no hoper.
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Also, I'm not sure if it's still an issue but I know for the longest time everything ran better in windowed mode.
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Did you try creating a profile in your GPU settings to make sure NS2.exe is using application preference?
  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    Since you have NVIDIA cards, you might want to try some of the <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=114414&st=20&p=1865716&#entry1865716" target="_blank">program-specific graphics tweaks</a> that vizionz used in his system.
  • FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment San Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
    DaftMonkey - I can't speak directly to performance, but I can say that we're making steady improvements to the game in general.

    For various reasons we decided to release the early beta to you guys waaay before most companies would think about doing so. We wanted your feedback, involvement and financial support (who am I kidding - we NEEDED it). We've always been tight with our community, that's just how we roll. So it makes sense to us to get our game in front of you as early as possible, so there's time to take your feedback. We think it really helps and speeds our development too.

    So the game is still getting up to speed and that's going to continue for a long time. It's not for everyone at this stage, but we hope it's enough for some of you.
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    edited October 2011
    I have no problem with the early release, but performance is the #1 reason I'm not playing it right now for fun. I believe the same is true for a lot of us. I think it'll continue to hurt perception and long-term viability if it doesn't take top priority for members of the team who can address performance, even if that means delaying other aspects of the code. Performance affects so many other parts of the game, including game balance and the perception of graphical fidelity.

    I look forward to 60+ FPS days, when the game will truly shine. <3
  • konatakonata Join Date: 2011-08-24 Member: 118296Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1879734:date=Oct 13 2011, 07:39 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Oct 13 2011, 07:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1879734"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Aren't those, Source parameters...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yes.
  • thecowsaysmoothecowsaysmoo Join Date: 2008-02-02 Member: 63557Members
    edited October 2011
    wait so can someone explain if running the game in forced dx9 will help my performance? I run a 1090t with a 6870, and am always trying to get as much out of it as possible if this would help me I'd like to know how to do it. My performance is a lil low compared to some of the similar rigs in this thread.
  • AsranielAsraniel Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 724Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=1879947:date=Oct 14 2011, 09:46 PM:name=thecowsaysmoo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (thecowsaysmoo @ Oct 14 2011, 09:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1879947"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->wait so can someone explain if running the game in forced dx9 will help my performance? I run a 1090t with a 6870, and am always trying to get as much out of it as possible if this would help me I'd like to know how to do it. My performance is a lil low compared to some of the similar rigs in this thread.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    No it won't, since ns2 uses dx 9 and nothing else, no point in forcing it.
    But it would be interesting to find out why people with similar configuration have different fps.
  • kababkabab Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24384Members, Constellation
    Well NS2 is extremely CPU limited currently so one thing that can really slam performance is having other things running in the background.

    Try turning off Skype, web browsers, msn, videos etc etc etc and you can get quiet a sizable fps boost.
  • playerplayer Join Date: 2010-09-12 Member: 73982Members
    If you're sitting on a quad-core it probably won't matter what kind of things you're running in the background, Windows should move things across the cores cleverly enough to grant NS2 the maximum amount of performance in either case. What does matter is the core-clock, it's fair to say a sandybridge will run anything out of the box with ease, but NS2 is a notable exception at the moment, so pushing the clock as high as you can will yield you significant FPS-improvements.
  • B1ackSmokeB1ackSmoke Join Date: 2011-01-25 Member: 78855Members
    edited October 2011
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  • DooM-AUDooM-AU Join Date: 2011-06-27 Member: 106715Members
    edited October 2011
    NS is still F2P and it hasn't changed, NS2 however is one you have to pay for.

    Fact of the matter is, to put it simply

    BF3/COD(or any other title by EA/Activision/etc) = Glorified Demo, not BETA.
    NS2 = Closed Beta, still need's work.

    Alot of people seem to have forgotten what a beta is, but, I don't blame them, seeing as how its been twisted and manipulated to s**t by publishers to make money with the excuse "oh its a beta it will be fixed in the final release", yet its still a glorified demo because they want to convince people the crap they are actually playing is going to get better when its time to release, and 98% of the time the game on release sucks *cough* BFBC2 *cough*.

    The problems you have are common for all of us, don't forget that Max is the only one man (and now Andrew works with Max now, I'm assuming not 100% sure), and cant make a fully running and working engine in a few day's it takes a long, long time and seeing as how the Spark Engine is new its bound to have tons of issue's but in the long run once the Spark engine is where it needs to be, it will (hopefully) pay off for UWE in the long run.

    If your having issues with performance Id wait for a couple of build's and try again.
  • RaikoificationRaikoification Join Date: 2011-10-13 Member: 127076Members
    Aannd daftmonkey if ya cant play NS2 i would gladly take over for you :)?
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