(srs) ns2 Tournament organisation thread
Ironsoul
Join Date: 2011-03-12 Member: 86048Members
Join Date: 2011-03-12 Member: 86048Members
<div class="IPBDescription">come here if you are interested in helping with the planning stage...</div>Hey all, I am planning on setting up a tournament system to use for ns2. We'll obviously test it as well.
The current goal is to have teams ready to begin on the last friday of this month(november).
However, I should also note that this tournament will be fairly low noise compared to the ns2hd tournament.
It's going to be just a simple competition that we can host regularly with familiar rules.
I am currently posting my current ideas I have about the tournament.
Each tournament will go for approximately 3 months... perhaps less, but this is a smaller, but also longer tournament... perhaps we can organise a trophy to be sent to the victors.
Summary:
Starts Last friday of this month
goes for 3 months
trophy for winners
//I was thinking about charging a $5 entry fee, but I think I'll change it to a "pay what you want" entry fee, and yes, that does mean you can pay $0.01.
Edit: no entry fee for this tournament... I'm still considering it for the next one, but that is at least 4 months away.
//Note: This is still being organised, do not send any money to anyone yet, we're not in the officialising teams phase yet.
For now, Anyone who is interested, please post here and say so, feel free to post ideas, and if you are a team leader, please send me a pm containing your email address, as well as info on what team you lead.
///////////////////// RULES ///////////////////////
Note: Rules are work in progress.
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1heb_Qs11PK87e77f270uyj3QW_5Zr4D8PYFgl4tOnIY/edit" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1heb_Qs1...YFgl4tOnIY/edit</a>
A google doc ruleset has been created, please read it and post your comments in this thread.
GO, POST, enjoy... comment... keep it positive feedback.
I'll try to move the rules to a google doc, to save on space... tomorrow.
The current goal is to have teams ready to begin on the last friday of this month(november).
However, I should also note that this tournament will be fairly low noise compared to the ns2hd tournament.
It's going to be just a simple competition that we can host regularly with familiar rules.
I am currently posting my current ideas I have about the tournament.
Each tournament will go for approximately 3 months... perhaps less, but this is a smaller, but also longer tournament... perhaps we can organise a trophy to be sent to the victors.
Summary:
Starts Last friday of this month
goes for 3 months
trophy for winners
//I was thinking about charging a $5 entry fee, but I think I'll change it to a "pay what you want" entry fee, and yes, that does mean you can pay $0.01.
Edit: no entry fee for this tournament... I'm still considering it for the next one, but that is at least 4 months away.
//Note: This is still being organised, do not send any money to anyone yet, we're not in the officialising teams phase yet.
For now, Anyone who is interested, please post here and say so, feel free to post ideas, and if you are a team leader, please send me a pm containing your email address, as well as info on what team you lead.
///////////////////// RULES ///////////////////////
Note: Rules are work in progress.
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1heb_Qs11PK87e77f270uyj3QW_5Zr4D8PYFgl4tOnIY/edit" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1heb_Qs1...YFgl4tOnIY/edit</a>
A google doc ruleset has been created, please read it and post your comments in this thread.
GO, POST, enjoy... comment... keep it positive feedback.
I'll try to move the rules to a google doc, to save on space... tomorrow.
Comments
Would this tournament clash with NS2HD's special event (That's why he cancelled the current tournament)?
Cheers,
-Scott.C
The other main aspect is that this event is designed to be a low noise, just there event that existing ns2 fans can come in and have a look at.
I absolutely do not want it to conflict with the ns2hd tournament in anyway, and any game times will be scheduled so they don't a) conflict with scheduled games, or b) tire out any players also participating in the ns2hd tournament.
In short, this will not conflict with ns2hd's special event or his tournament.
Reason: This tournament is designed to exist, but not the butt in or be super loud.
I would suggest that you change the rules, to be more simple, and fair.
My suggestion is:
First all teams play a match consisting of four rounds against each other once.
You give points for rounds won. Marines 3 points. Aliens 2 points. As it is harder to win as marines.
After playing the first round you should have a pretty good picture of who is progressing.
In case of a tie between teams after this should lead to a decider match, in or out. Play until won or lost.
Then you should have found out who is in the semi finals. You keep the points from the first rounds.
Same system. Marines 3 points. Aliens 2 points. Though now not all teams play each other.
1st team and 3rd team plays while 2nd team and 4th team plays.
Now teams have had a chance to take some more points, and you calculate the positions again.
Then put up the final and 3rd decider. These matches are played until won or lost.
All this would require at least 8 teams I believe.
And then, why the entry fee? We don't need a prize for this :)
If you cancel the entry fee, count duplex in.
But why not to play for fun and try to learn to play and host the tournaments as well as gain a bigger playerbase. When the things start rolling and teams start to pop up it might be a good time to think about the entry fee and the trophy.
Anyone have a link to it?
-B1ackSmoke
Anyone have a link to it?
-B1ackSmoke<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Look at his latest Announcement, think he says something about it there.
It's a "secret" event, only guesses to what it could be.
I guess he is going to visit UWE again.
About starting races in the rules, how about one guy just joins random and then you know what team you will play?
^ That.
And NS2HD tournament right now is a terrible idea. The game isn't stable enough. He did the game a favour, so let's look forward to something else.
Let's discuss something else that I wrote in the google doc.
Just choose whatever concerns you :)
Choosing a starting race should be a simple coin toss. The lives idea is too complicated for such a simple thing as choosing sides.
I feel like it might be better to wait until next year before starting anything now. Build 188 is going to change things a lot and there could be many potential problems. Plus, going into the holidays teams will be less active and it could result in many default wins etc.
I also feel like you can't really have a 3 month long tournament for a game in beta. The game could change so much in that period of time and it's doubtful that all the teams who enter will still be active. I think it would be better to start with something smaller and see how it goes from there.
Note: I have made it clear enough, that until further notice, there will be no entry fee... no entry fee will be required of any team, until everyone feels it is a necessary action. What does that mean? It means this "competition" will be completely free.
As for you saying that we shouldn't do this, I couldn't disagree more... I already said why in my first paragraph.
As for the negativity towards a 3 month long tournament, again, this tournament isn't to test the game, or the players in any specific way, it's to keep a constant event going for those interested. The game changes a lot during development, I know, I'm interested in seeing how the teams react and adapt to the changes during the tournament.
Finally, This thread isn't the announcement that the tournament is beginning, it is... as I've stated before, the organisation thread, where we discuss and plan the details of the rules... it is NOT a discussion as to whether we should have such an event or not.
I hope that makes a few more things clear.
As always, I'm not exactly interested in negative people's opinions, that's their problem to dismiss anything that could potentially be a lot of fun, and it's their decision to try to make such a dismal prognosis come true.
P.S. Wilson, I spent about 2 seconds thinking about an entry fee, then people said they didn't want one, so I made it clear that there will be no entry fee... I didn't spend a lot of time thinking about it, I spent a lot of time making sure people understood that a) I am not going to make people pay, and b) I still am interested in the prospect of having a very high quality event that may require monetary funding... in the future. You are such a negative nelly.
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Who gives a ###### if half the teams default by Christmas? We'd still have several exciting games we wouldn't have otherwise. I'm behind the tournament 100%.
People were just complaining about how the clans would dissolve when NS2HD cancelled his tournament. Well, here's a reason for the clans to keep playing.
When organising times, I am not going to set it up to be convenient for ns2hd, rather the times will be set up to be convenient for the teams, and if ns2hd happens to be available, he can come in and cast...
Note: if the teams actually want to be cast, obviously, we can set up the time to be convenient for both teams and ns2hd... that won't be a problem.
When organising times, I am not going to set it up to be convenient for ns2hd, rather the times will be set up to be convenient for the teams, and if ns2hd happens to be available, he can come in and cast...
Note: if the teams actually want to be cast, obviously, we can set up the time to be convenient for both teams and ns2hd... that won't be a problem.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sounds good. Remember that NS2HD is not the only one that casts games.
Try reaching out to the other casters also. That way you could cover alot more of these games.
I still think that the ruleset is too complicated, with all theses different "stages" of the tournament. Try going for something more simple, I would refer you to my previous suggestion, but you already read that ;)
What are the benefits of having this complicated life system to decide which side you play on instead of a coin toss and changing sides after every round?
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I actually think my system works better in case of getting the "right winner". Because it takes the points from the introducing rounds to the semi finals, so teams can try to turn the tides there. From there, there should be a pretty clear final and 3rd decider.
And for the points, if balance should change drasticly with a patch, just adjust the current numbers to be more fitting, and still add up with what was previous used.
Example: if balance magically becomes 50/50 wins, just change won round points to 2/2 instead of 3/2.
Learn to crawl before you can walk.
Then later on we can add to the complexity -- elimination, ladder, etc -- but we don't need that now.
As far as casters are concerned, I have a <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=115338&view=findpost&p=1883511" target="_blank">thread</a> with a list of 8 other NS2 casters beside NS2HD. You could contact any of them -- I'm sure they would love to help out.
If there are any casters reading this thread though, feel free to volunteer right now.
But yeah, if we swap it to a round robin style, then go straight to a finals match, that might work out better... and make the entire tournament session go a lot faster... meaning we can have a lot more competitions.
I would also like to state that considering we are using a round robin method, new teams can still join up within one week after the tournament begins... because of how round robin works. We can just slap on some extra games at the end before we move on, to make sure everyone gets a game.
I'll update the google doc later today, I'm a tad busy right now, and despite the seemingly sim... stuff it I'll go fix it up now.
Keep posting your thoughts and ideas.
I'm up for it. pub.eu will most probably be joining the tournament too but let's define the rules first.
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<blockquote>To compete, you must be a part of a clan.
Clans must have a minimum of 6 players. Additional players are recommended, but not necessary.
Each clan must have a designated clan leader.
Clan leaders (and only the clan leaders) must fill out an entry form. The form will require the clan leader to list all the members of the clan, and provide dates and times that the clan is able to play.</blockquote>
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<blockquote>Two clans at a time will compete against one another in a 6v6 match.
Each match will consist of 4 rounds.
A coin flip will determine which race each clan will play as for the first round.
Clans will switch races each round.
A clan wins a match by winning 2 rounds in a row. If no clan has won by the end of the 4 rounds (meaning the clans are tied with 2 rounds each), then a tiebreaker round will commence. Clan leaders will flip a coin to determine which race their clan will play as during the tiebreaker round. Whoever wins the tiebreaker round, wins the match.
At the conclusion of the match, one point will be awarded to the clan that won the match. The losing clan will get no points.</blockquote>
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Each clan will play against every other clan once. The season will conclude once this has occurred. Clans will be seeded based upon the number of points they obtained during the season.</blockquote><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Once the season is concluded, we can discuss having a proper elimination-style tournament. The rankings of the clans from the season can then be used to determine who plays who in the tournament.
Yeah, you're right. I just wasn't sure how many clans would play. If there are 4 or fewer clans, we should have them play twice (4 clans would be 6 matches if we have each play each other once -- 12 if they play twice). 5 or more clans, and they should only play once .
-- I updated the original rules post to say "play each other once" --