Are Chambers ingame yet?
Xostean
Join Date: 2012-02-17 Member: 146370Members
Join Date: 2012-02-17 Member: 146370Members
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they split it up into crag+shell, shade+veil wheras the whip is not associated with a hive-type.
they will implement something for movement as well afaik.
The reason the upgrades have been moved from them onto the Shells, Veils and Spurs is to have the possibility to remove your upgrade chambers from the line of fire. They are in a relatively safer locations inside hive areas.
They are also here to stay...
Crag + Shell
Shade + Veil
Shift + Spur <-- yet to be implemented of course :P
Keep in mind that the evolution system is still in development so it might change in terms of how they are researched.
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki/index.php/Aliens#Structures" target="_blank">NS2 wiki for reference</a> (needs pictures for some)
" Echo (Currently Unavailable)
Description: Targeted ability that lets Alien Commander move a structure or Drifter elsewhere on the map (even a Hive or Harvester).
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That sounds incredibly OP
Description: Targeted ability that lets Alien Commander move a structure or Drifter elsewhere on the map (even a Hive or Harvester).
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The wiki doesn't show the full story and is not really up to date. this page just shows you the structures mostly. Abilities on structures are in a constant flux of testing and rejecting/accepting.
No, that ability will be available from hive 1, ie. gamestart.
I also expect it to be be OP, especially if it just costs energy.
I would like alien comm to gain ability to destroy buildings though. Make them expand and blow up, less res return than marines get but does damage.
there will be restrictions that prevent it. the first implementation i wrote would require you a shift to be present at the place you want to teleport to. in that version it would be possible to do so, but for that the marines need to ignore the shift in their main base, wait until it's upgraded mature and has enough energy charged to teleport the whips. i doubt this ever would happen. another idea was that you require a shift next to the structure (s) you want to teleport (so the opposite mechanic), which would allow such offensive teleports (im not a big fan of that :) ).
so, it will not be without restrictions. you will not be able to magically let anytime and everywhere on the map structures appear. but, i like "cheesy" strategies in sc2. i would like to see such things are possible in ns2 as well, with tradeoffs of course (similar to gorge, lerk or cloak rushing, but with better trade offs, and maybe more tied to forward chambers). would be nice if each opening would allow some set of "cheesy" strategies: early phase gate + forward armory (may not work very good at the moment), early sentries to contain, SG or another weapon type rush (in case weapon types would untie from AA), forward chambers (crag, shade, shift, but this does not work properly with the current infestation mechanic). i think you see where im going
But really, if all buildings/teleportable things require infestation at the destination, I think Marines just found themselves a counter to offensive Shifting :)
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i could only tell you how the current implementation works, but since it is not final and will be changed it makes not so much sense to discuss it now. we have to wait with that until the final implementation is released and playable, before it would just be speculation
Then whips would be useful for something more than nade tennis. I support.
Description: Targeted ability that lets Alien Commander move a structure or Drifter elsewhere on the map (even a Hive or Harvester).
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Why do people bother saying this about things they have no experience with?
Is it OP if you only get to do it every 5 hours? How about it if it costs 300 tres to trigger it?
Why bothering posting that it 'sounds incredibly OP'? Educate me, Professor Gamesalot!
The way I see it, all the change really did was make it easier for the Marines to ninja-kill the Aliens' upgrades. Was that the intent?
Ehm, every oldschool fan of ns1 maybe?
Every oldschool fan of ns1 had the hope ns2 will be like ns1 just with some new features.
They don't play ns2 because of these new features, thats what they said to me after i ask "why you don't play ns2".
Also it was my hope to be honest, but my hope isn't gone, it looks like ns2 is going more and more a bit to ns1.
Just want to say that...new people like you maybe don't know ns1...
Is it OP if you only get to do it every 5 hours? How about it if it costs 300 tres to trigger it?
Why bothering posting that it 'sounds incredibly OP'? Educate me, Professor Gamesalot!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your right, but like lets think of it this way.
a) If you cannot reasonably teleport hives, RT's, and whips at an obtainable cost (timely and reasonable), then echo is useless.
b) If you <b>can</b> do so, then it is OP. Here is why.
Hives - teleporting a hive about to go down is going to be worth it in almost every situation regardless of the cost due to hive build time and marine mobility.
RT's - Echo is either cost efficient enough to allow harvester teleportation micro or it just isn't used at all.
Whips/Shade - I can't really say anything about this. Might depend situationally.
All other buildings - Echo is probably not going to be worth using on these.
TL;DR. Balancing echo is probably going to be knife edge. Either its OP due to its crazy extremeness, or its under utilized.