Marine-Upgrades too cheap?
Solitario
Join Date: 2006-10-29 Member: 58097Members
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We hadn't decide which techtree we should go, because everything is so cheap, just get them all!
I think the lower costs in 201 should be reconsidered<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In 201 they really "need" this atm.
Most my public games i go Onos after 7min and the marines only have armor1 and weapon1.
Remember: We have exo-armor left + the minigun for "endgame".
Most my public games i go Onos after 7min and the marines only have armor1 and weapon1.
Remember: We have exo-armor left + the minigun for "endgame".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you have a second hive + 75 res in 7 minutes, the marine team must act very "noobish".
I can belive a hive in 5 minutes, but 75 res every player + a second hive in 7 minutes? How is that possible?
I mean they already reduce catalyze by half (5 instead of 10 seconds buff.)
Anyway it don't matter, onos isn't the überweapon, it can be killed...also it can not reach jetpack marines.
People should notice your last sentence, its very important ^^
The game is still in development and everybuild is just like a "placeholder", they need their (long) time to finish the game.
Im excited to see the balance with these miniguns or dual wielded miniguns.
It sounds like aliens are doomed then. :P
Also
<!--quoteo(post=1918016:date=Mar 26 2012, 12:40 PM:name=RisingSun)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RisingSun @ Mar 26 2012, 12:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1918016"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Marines need all the help they can get. Cost is fine and thry still get raped due to onos and map design.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
if you get still raped by onos, you must learn to play?!
If your team gets Jetpack and of course they will get it very fast, onos isn't a big deal.
I got more killed by a lerk and a fade, then by a onos.
Because lerks can hunt you down from any position, also there some very high skilled fade players.
As onos, you can't do much in a tactical way.
I realy miss the devour as onos.
Anyway you just have to watch out where you are...the onos can not reach high points.
I can belive a hive in 5 minutes, but 75 res every player + a second hive in 7 minutes? How is that possible?
I mean they already reduce catalyze by half (5 instead of 10 seconds buff.)
Anyway it don't matter, onos isn't the überweapon, it can be killed...also it can not reach jetpack marines.
People should notice your last sentence, its very important ^^
The game is still in development and everybuild is just like a "placeholder", they need their (long) time to finish the game.
Im excited to see the balance with these miniguns or dual wielded miniguns.
It sounds like aliens are doomed then. :P
Also
if you get still raped by onos, you must learn to play?!
If your team gets Jetpack and of course they will get it very fast, onos isn't a big deal.
I got more killed by a lerk and a fade, then by a onos.
Because lerks can hunt you down from any position, also there some very high skilled fade players.
As onos, you can't do much in a tactical way.
I realy miss the devour as onos.
Anyway you just have to watch out where you are...the onos can not reach high points.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What the hell are you talking about. Learn to play? Or you kidding. You say an onos can be killed? Ya, good for you, you can properly add up marines hitting 100% of the time, which never happens. You stated before a flame thrower takes down aliens and now you say jps. I would love to know your comming experience in which you got weapons and armor upgraded, an obs with phase tech, flame throwers, shotguns, welders, mines, and jps by the time it takes the alien to get one onos. One onos can take down a base and end the game by taking down a power node.
Not to mention the onos hive one abilities allows him to kill groups of marines solo with ease. Plus i have no idea how you think with the current hit reg and performance problems people are going to kill a fade/lerk without that lifeform standing still (granted it happens but as fragile as they are they should be dying a lot easier). You boast how easy it is but my experience in every game i have played is as long as the aliens have a competent comm they win. Peroid.
Most my public games i go Onos after 7min and the marines only have armor1 and weapon1.
Remember: We have exo-armor left + the minigun for "endgame".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, that's the bad thing imho. Don't get me wrong, I friggn love this game, but the upgrades and tech got a little too fast imho!
You should fight for new technology, and getting small advantages over the time
You should fight for new technology, and getting small advantages over the time<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, that means for Aliens:
Slower Pres flow + Res for Kill :D
(Then we can Hive 1 Blink back as well)
I can belive a hive in 5 minutes, but 75 res every player + a second hive in 7 minutes? How is that possible?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Onos on 7-8 min on mineshaft is super easy, get 2 - 3 in the team to do it and it's a GG for aliens for sure. You only need 4 RTs and a second hive may even be going up at that time.
I do agree with the TS that by midgame as a marine comm., when things are going okay, I'll have unlocked everything. It feels kind of 'empty' comming after that point, since all that's left is med/nano/ammospamming and building forward bases and ARCs. Though mind you not everything for marines is implemented yet, and costs are still being finetuned, so I''m sure it'll get better.
Me and my friend playing on HBZ 24/7 and the last few days we have traind alien tactics.
2 Onos <b>WILL</b> take out a base with 6 rines and 1 commander defending it, with or without skulk/lerk/fades help.
( Rines will lose after 10min )
But remember.. this is public!
When i Bunny Jump the rines maybe hits "total" 10% on me.
Sometimes it even happens that me and my friend ( 2 skulks ) takes down 3-4 rines in a open fight.
Maybe someone of us 2 dies but the rines will be dead and a skulk will be the last man standing.
10 min into the game can hardly be considered 'mid-game'. You can have double or triple, or quadruple onos at 8 - 12 min depending on the map, regardless of hive. I'm absolutely certain you can not have all marine tech researched at that point, certainly not with the same amount of RTs, or any amount of RTs on any given map for that matter. Though there is a point at which you can have pretty much everything unlocked, and it does indeed come a little too early IMO as well. But tech pricing is something that can easily be adjusted.
When i Bunny Jump the rines maybe hits "total" 10% on me.
Sometimes it even happens that me and my friend ( 2 skulks ) takes down 3-4 rines in a open fight.
Maybe someone of us 2 dies but the rines will be dead and a skulk will be the last man standing.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh insulting, if you don't have a clue, insult other people, thats so smart...
and one grenade every skulk is dead...
<!--quoteo(post=1918028:date=Mar 26 2012, 01:39 PM:name=RisingSun)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RisingSun @ Mar 26 2012, 01:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1918028"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b> One onos can take down a base and end the game by taking down a power node. </b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Same as one marine can kill a hive, did you guys thinking or just complaining/insulting/rage?
I killed the cave hive in like 10 seconds as jetpack marine...with just my axe.
<!--quoteo(post=1918028:date=Mar 26 2012, 01:39 PM:name=RisingSun)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RisingSun @ Mar 26 2012, 01:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1918028"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What the hell are you talking about. Learn to play? Or you kidding. You say an onos can be killed? Ya, good for you, you can properly add up marines hitting 100% of the time, which never happens. You stated before a flame thrower takes down aliens and now you say jps. I would love to know your comming experience in which you got weapons and armor upgraded, an obs with phase tech, flame throwers, shotguns, welders, mines, and jps by the time it takes the alien to get one onos.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
All these rage, calm down...gee.
I wasn't talking about early games.
Maybe read my comment better, i wrote "IF marines get jetpack, onos is easy...".
Realy, you guys should calm down, you insult me and rage, there is realy no reason to act like childs, so take a sip of your apple juice and calm down.
and one grenade every skulk is dead...
Same as one marine can kill a hive, did you guys thinking or just complaining?
I killed the cave hive in like 10 seconds as jetpack marine...
All these rage, calm down...gee.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are either trolling using bad english on purpose or you need to brush up on your word choices.
The difference between you axing a hive or an onos taking down marine start is the your hive is empty and my marine start had 4-5 marines. Stop being dense.
The difference between you axing a hive or an onos taking down marine start is the your hive is empty and my marine start had 4-5 marines. Stop being dense.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dense? Seriously? Is insulting the only opinion you have?
<b>And i don't say onos is easy to kill at all!
listen to my words, i said "If your team gets Jetpack, onos isn't a big deal...".</b>
So calm down...in my mind it is easy to kill a onos if you got jetpack, and thats true.
Because he can't hit you if you fly up and land on something.
So tell me RisingSun, whats wrong with my text:
"onos isn't the überweapon, it can be killed...also it can not reach jetpack marines."
what can a onos do against a jetpack marine on a higher level?
or
"If your team gets Jetpack, onos isn't a big deal."
So, how is that trolling?
You two are the trolls here!
<b>And i don't say onos is easy to kill at all!
listen to my words, i said "If your team gets Jetpack, onos isn't a big deal...".</b>
So calm down...in my mind it is easy to kill a onos if you got jetpack, and thats true.
Because he can't hit you if you fly up and land on something.
So tell me RisingSun, whats wrong with my text:
"onos isn't the überweapon, it can be killed...also it can not reach jetpack marines."
what can a onos do against a jetpack marine on a higher level?
or
"If your team gets Jetpack, onos isn't a big deal."
So, how is that trolling?
You two are the trolls here!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What will jps do when 2 onos can rush the cc and kill it with 5 marines around? They are op and everyone realizes this but u.
JP + Shotgun is still a weak option "in endgame" when all aliens can go Onos then.
Atm aliens will dominate the first 20min and the marines ( If they are lucky ) will only have 3 extractors.
Price it feels like ur just a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ykpXxQdNA#t=1m12s" target="_blank">wonderful guy.</a>
I personally think the marines are fine, they're just lacking the Exo-suit and HMG. Man am I looking forward to that.
I laughed at this, because it's not possible.
What else does this guy say that's not possible, or true?
The list is long.
and one grenade every skulk is dead...
Same as one marine can kill a hive, did you guys thinking or just complaining/insulting/rage?
I killed the cave hive in like 10 seconds as jetpack marine...with just my axe.
All these rage, calm down...gee.
I wasn't talking about early games.
Maybe read my comment better, i wrote "IF marines get jetpack, onos is easy...".
Realy, you guys should calm down, you insult me and rage, there is realy no reason to act like childs, so take a sip of your apple juice and calm down.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
EXACTLY!!
And in addition, upgrades!
Don't act like they aren't important.. An onos with 1 upgrade, whatever it is, isn't THAT formidable.
THE FACT: All these 'players' whining about the un-chaining of lifeforms (as it was always intended) are only doing so because now they can't get their cheesy cheap victories.
Learn to learn, kiddies!
This is NATURAL SELECTION not 'shoot the fish in the barrel'
And in addition, upgrades!
Don't act like they aren't important.. An onos with 1 upgrade, whatever it is, isn't THAT formidable.
THE FACT: All these 'players' whining about the un-chaining of lifeforms (as it was always intended) are only doing so because now they can't get their cheesy cheap victories.
Learn to learn, kiddies!
This is NATURAL SELECTION not 'shoot the fish in the barrel'<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Onos with 1 upgrade are 95% as good as onos with 3 upgrades.
Try actually playing b201 before you act like 7 minute onos isn't completely broken.
What else does this guy say that's not possible, or true?
The list is long.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It could be true, he just might not be aware how much damage had already been done to the hive before he got there :)
Then his entire point would be moot.
Or that he was in a lan game with cheats on.