Onos vs jetpacks
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What is the counter to the jp? The Lerk? Hardly. Its the only lifeform that isnt a joke against it.
What is the counter to the jp? The Lerk? Hardly. Its the only lifeform that isnt a joke against it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hmm, I thought JPs were sort of counter to Onos too... (Or alien movement in general, really) just in that you can avoid them much easier because they'll usually gore you pretty quickly. Does stomp work against airborn jetpackers?
Jetpack is really hard to hit with anything for me, though I'm just not really a good shot at the moment, though lerks, leaping skulks, and spitting gorges seem to have a better chance of doing damage than an Onos should (unless stomp catches them maybe).
Onos are good for drawing fire, because often the whole team will focus fire on an Onos and overlook skulks or gorges bilebombing a base, and they seem to do strong damage against marines they do manage to hit, but otherwise might be good for trampling over power nodes and command stations if they don't happen to draw the whole teams fire.
I find it to be the other way around. Find someone who wants to blow 75 res down the drain to distract the marines for 10 seconds while a gorge or two bile bomb down the power node.
It's a shame it takes 4 swipes to kill a jet packer with a3.
What is the counter to the jp? The Lerk? Hardly. Its the only lifeform that isnt a joke against it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I feel the same like you, onos is so expensive and if a jetpack marine comes (and maybe go on a higher plattform) it looks like
baby vs. minigun helicopter...i realy wonder how this is balance.
10 res vs 75 res...onos transform from a big strong tank to a little fat slow target.
<!--quoteo(post=1960994:date=Aug 11 2012, 08:50 AM:name=james888)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (james888 @ Aug 11 2012, 08:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1960994"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Fades are very good against jetpackers<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Only if you play fade non-stop, its very hard to hit the jetpack marine.
It's like you try to hit a fly in real life, it can be done, but the fly is fast and a tiny target ^^
I just wonder, when the Exo finds his way into the game, doesn't the Onos has to become stronger in order to counter them rather than the JP? But without devour the logical step would be an extrem Onos buff of health and damage? Or would it stay the way it is now, then he has problems against JPs AND Exos. So what should be the counter for what and how will this role influence the rest of enemy encounters?
So what you are saying is, onos against 1 marine is fine but more are a mess?
I mean the onos is a tank and very expensive, how can it be, he can't hunt survive 4 marines.
But we can just wait for exo suit, i wonder how this game will change ^^
Before at least I could lure marines into a small room where I killed them, such as onos bar. Now they will always wear me down if alone.
Before at least I could lure marines into a small room where I killed them, such as onos bar. Now they will always wear me down if alone.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is your own fault for being alone.
As previously stated in this thread, onos is not a counter to JPs. It's the other way around.
You need 2 hives to be able to fight jetpacks. You need leap, spikes, blink and teamplay to be effecient in combat, at that stage of the game.
Another thing is that Jetpacks are too cheap in terms of PRes.
Cost needs to be increased a bit.
As previously stated in this thread, onos is not a counter to JPs. It's the other way around.
You need 2 hives to be able to fight jetpacks. You need leap, spikes, blink and teamplay to be effecient in combat, at that stage of the game.
Another thing is that Jetpacks are too cheap in terms of PRes.
Cost needs to be increased a bit.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So a marine with a JP and SG can solo a hive for a whopping 30 res but an alien spending 75 res cant beat the lone JP'er?
I'm sorry but 1 marines should not cause an Onos any grief, a lone JP'er should be fearing coming across an onos by himself more so than the other way around..
for 75 res you should be able to run away or lure them into small rooms but you can't as you're just too slow.
Also, if an onos is hunted by 2-3 jetpacks, he should need support, so he doesn't die, which is how it works atm. The thing is, that oni are very strong, if the team protects them. Since every marine will try to focus the onos, skulks and fades have a much easier time getting to the marines. If the onos is alone, tough luck, he's going to die. Just as a single exo should, and most probably will. JPs are much more equivalent to Fades, even though fades can't take on exos on their own. But a single JP will have a hard time killing an onos as well.
I never use carapace as onos, but i can imagine the onos will be quite useless with it. Without it, he can imo escape quite easily with the charge ability.
Time will tell how the jetpack/exo ratio will be.
Pretty much /thread
<!--quoteo(post=1960987:date=Aug 11 2012, 08:21 AM:name=Core Dump)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Core Dump @ Aug 11 2012, 08:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1960987"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So the 75 res life form is countered by a 10 res jp?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Inconsistency detected
"has to retreat from open spaces", most of the maps are open and big
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Kw-w1DpbzYM#t=779s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...w1DpbzYM#t=779s</a>
(by the way, the alien team fail to kill this and the other jp marines, because it's very hard ;) )
Yep, I agree. There is a slight problem with shotguns killing onos really quickly at the moment but that's an aside. Onos isn't the solopwnmobile that it's made out to be in promo stuffs.
I don't believe NS is designed around counters. There are only 'interesting designs' which may or may not be effective against other things. The counters that appear, such as GL countering gorge walls, are byproducts of those 'interesting designs'. At least, that's the only way I'm able to justify why the marines don't get a net launcher to deal with lerks or fades. If humanity really was faced with a kharaa invasion, that's the first thing we'd be putting on the battlefield. Assuming we didn't take off and nuke the site from orbit.
Alot of people are saying "well onos are good in confined spaces"
It's way too easy to fly backwards out of a room etc, then harass, and that negates any benefit these small rooms have
Cloaked Onos in front of a doorway >B }
As previously stated in this thread, onos is not a counter to JPs. It's the other way around.
You need 2 hives to be able to fight jetpacks. You need leap, spikes, blink and teamplay to be effecient in combat, at that stage of the game.
Another thing is that Jetpacks are too cheap in terms of PRes.
Cost needs to be increased a bit.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah I won't deny that. I was mostly just expressing displeasure at something previously fun being unavailable now.
Camping out in onos bar, preventing anyone from entering. Similar small doorways are fun and can hold off most the marine team, as you regen before they can get another wave. Now they just kill you. Need a gorge now.
I do still feel the onos is a pretty bad siege unit though. Its more of a meat shield. I find sitting infront of marines, soaking up bullets, while the gorge does the bilebombing is more effective. Onos is too slow, committing fully and entering melee range usually ends in death - so bilebomb is safer for both aliens.
Not to mention exo suit is supposed to allow marines to go toe to toe with onos.
Onos is not worth 75 res. 50 maybe 55.