Xenocide
Laosh'Ra
Join Date: 2011-12-09 Member: 137232Members
Join Date: 2011-12-09 Member: 137232Members
<div class="IPBDescription">rarely seen</div>to be honest, i only see this in games where the aliens are having trouble finishing off the last base of the marines. is it simply too expensive compared to vortex umbra and stomp? are people rarely using it when researched?
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Agreed.
Currently doesn't feel like the old xeno at all.
Most of the time I explode and no marines die at all, making me question: Why did i bother exploding again?
edit: obviously I don't mean if you were a marine and died to xenocide. ;)
For example: health is going down while charging xeno. If you get killed before you explode you do no damage.
This way marines have a chance to counter it, but it feels rewarding when you can make real damage.
+1
No pRes while dead is at odds with xeno.
As a disadvantage, perhaps as you are in the process of xenociding your ability to leap is cancelled and you move much slower?
This is even better. An easy function like Xenocide does X points of damage for every health+armor point the skulk has.
This way marines have a chance to counter it and skillful skulks can make massive damage.
Also disabling of leap while charging the Xenocide is necessary, but please no slowdown. Skillful movement should be rewarded, not prohibited.
As a disadvantage, perhaps as you are in the process of xenociding your ability to leap is cancelled and you move much slower?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So, if u decide to use xenocide marines can shoot u easily dead or nearly down and u do no/littel damage? Nah.
I dislike the current design of this ability. U have to decide to atack normal with bite and do some dmg and die(or stay alive) or definitly die with xeno and do some dmg o_O. Sry, thats an useless lategame-abilty. It should work passiv and instant on every dead. That would be a real "upgrade". A reliable dmgincrease in lategame vs lvl 3 armor-rines and exos.
This is needed to have counters. You shouldn't be able to jump into marine faces and go BOOM without the marine can do anything against it.
Use it with a little brain. Ambush them. Use it on a ceiling and just let you fall down on them.
Xeno is now so weak, because it is frustrating for marines. There is only a little time frame to counter it right now (= Killing the skulk before he goes off.) If it is easier to counter for good marines it can have more effect for good aliens. Sure, the slowdown is not needed, but no leap is a must. You shouldn't be able to just jump into their faces you should need to play with skill.
It's an easy to understand fact: If the marines get a fair chance to counter Xeno, it can have much more damage.
I have blown up right under a mrine jumping over me...he lived...I quietly raged to myself.
Seriously xeno is a joke, it should do a lot of damage, with certain death to any marine/s within 1.5 metre radius of the skulk.
Currently your best bet of killing the marine is to have camo, silenc and a marine thats kinda not moving around a lot (lagged helps).
Use it with a little brain. Ambush them. Use it on a ceiling and just let you fall down on them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So u want downgrade xeno to a defense ability? That happens if u want to change xeno like that.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Xeno is now so weak, because it is frustrating for marines.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Xeno is useless o_O.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There is only a little time frame to counter it right now (= Killing the skulk before he goes off.) If it is easier to counter for good marines it can have more effect for good aliens. Sure, the slowdown is not needed, but no leap is a must.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do u know that xeno drains your energy very fast? U are unable to leap 2 million times. And especially in lategame there are enough counters (jp,all lvl 3 wpns, exo nexttime) to avoid xeno or never let it happend.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You shouldn't be able to just jump into their faces you should need to play with skill.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah, understood. Skill is only needed on alien-side.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's an easy to understand fact: If the marines get a fair chance to counter Xeno, it can have much more damage.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And I say change xeno to a damage-increasing ability how I described in my last post. Also a fair counter vs marineupgrades.
Maybe instead of doing up front damage it could do some bile-bombesque damage?
Maybe instead of doing up front damage it could do some bile-bombesque damage?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Xenocide does light damage... which is crazy in my opinion if you are going to classify this "ultimate" skill on the same page as mines..
I hope when Exosuits make it in, a bunch of skills will be realigned to something similar to NS1.
Xeno is useless o_O.
Do u know that xeno drains your energy very fast? U are unable to leap 2 million times. And especially in lategame there are enough counters (jp,all lvl 3 wpns, exo nexttime) to avoid xeno or never let it happend.
Ah, understood. Skill is only needed on alien-side.
And I say change xeno to a damage-increasing ability how I described in my last post. Also a fair counter vs marineupgrades.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seems like you don't want to understand what I'm saying. I'm sorry for this but won't try it again.
2 bites does more damage...
I can't remember and I can't find a place to read back through patch notes to find out, which is really frustrating. I'm pretty sure it was reintroudced after build 209, when the alien ability unlocks were tied to the number of hives. At 2 hives the kham can research leap. At 3 hives, the kham can research xeno. It often doesn't get researched because it's one of the lowest priority 3-hive unlocks, and once the aliens have had 3 hives for a long time the game is ususally over...
Because it's completely useless and throws you into the alien spawn wave of oblivion.
Team up with a lerk or something, have him gas then leap in and go boom and you will have a high chance of killing them. Think the whole idea behind xenocide is to combo it with other classes.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This line is getting brought up for every discussion with aliens..."Just play smarter/use more teamwork".
Sorry but as a suicide bomber (xenocide skulk) I dont really want to bring an entourage with me, xeno is about running headlong into a group of marines and blowing yourself up...it is meant to be a way for you to do more damage than had you stayed alive and tried to bite.
This as others have said, is where xeno fails.
Beef it up to the point marines fear hearing the xeno whine as the skulk charges them...now they just laugh knowing the skulks about to explode doing almost no damage to them.
Alien Commanders don't research it. It's been in the game for a good 8 patches now I think. We don't research it for the same reasons said in this thread: puts you in the awful wave spawn system, penalizes you with no resources while dead, eats up eggs when you spawn, does pitiful damage, takes you out of the game for when you could have been doing something else more useful (chop rts), it's a noob bate ability, and I could go on.
Not worth it.
I'm not sure if xeno needs to be reworked, or just tossed out the airlock. Maybe skulks need a different endgame ability (or is that heresy?).
I would get a surprising amount of kills sometimes. Usually because of previous damage or a free bite I get in before going kersplode.
The point of Xeno in NS1 was so you didn't have to live to do damage/get kills. Respawn was relatively cheap. If you got lucky and got kills you got res. And it was way better than giving the enemy team res by getting killed, and you could do more assured damage than hoping you survived the HMG/SHOTGUn/HA bulletstorm. Silent Xeno+Leap done right gave the Marines no chance to respond, meaning free AoE damage.
As for NS2, no Pres on death, long spawn times, and generally lackluster feel hurts it. You don't get as many spectacular OMG I JUST KILLED 3 MARINES WITH XENO.
Giving it a slight damage or AoE buff might help make it more viable. Also, it has to be paired with something to quickly get in, and there has to be enough incentive that you'll die too quickly. With carapace, Skulks can actually survive to get a few bites off, and you don't deny RFK to the enemy team. All of these in effect make Xeno not a viable choice.