G1: was basically over. G2: RedDragon bit sub RT and 3 marines were coming to kill your ninja, desperation 2nd hive. G3: 4 JP marines with SG's and GL's were 3 seconds away from an empty cargo hive with fades another 1-2 minutes away.
What edge did you guys have anyways? Element of surprise maybe for G2?
But G3 I guess if you killed 2-3 waves of 4 JP marines into cargo you might of been able to get 1-2 fades with blink up. A lot riding on those 2 fades though especially with grenade spam.
Unless all the marines were gonna go take a poop and read a book at the exact same time, those first two rounds looked pretty over. 3rd game, JPs gone up, fades still atleast 2min away, cargo hive is a joke to kill with jps and gls. I don't see how you had an edge.
So I guess we're all hackers that figured out how to shut down servers. Also, we're amazing actors as non-nxzl were in mumble hearing us rage about the server dying. The excuses and attempted blame are sad and I hope you look back embarrassed.
edit: It should be mentioned, the original finals were scheduled for Sunday - which we had our best line up ready for. The schedule was changed last minute on the day of, because of the large amount of stream viewers.
<!--quoteo(post=1974673:date=Sep 9 2012, 10:57 PM:name=ScardyBob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ScardyBob @ Sep 9 2012, 10:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974673"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Those were some good matches. I think we're starting to see some serious high-level play in NS2.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That we can all agree on. =] The teams put on an awesome display.
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edited September 2012
<!--quoteo(post=1974655:date=Sep 9 2012, 10:02 PM:name=Shaker)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shaker @ Sep 9 2012, 10:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974655"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So I guess we're all hackers that figured out how to shut down servers.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> ?? You're the first to suggest this.
<!--quoteo(post=1974669:date=Sep 9 2012, 10:52 PM:name=Wheeee)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wheeee @ Sep 9 2012, 10:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974669"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->if arc is mad about the results<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> We have no reason to be mad about the results, we lost fair and square today. We certainly have the right to be frustrated at our bad luck yesterday, however.
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<!--quoteo(post=1974689:date=Sep 9 2012, 03:28 PM:name=fanatic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fanatic @ Sep 9 2012, 03:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974689"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->?? You're the first to suggest this.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nah, that's the implication behind a lot of the messages people are posting.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We have no reason to be mad about the results, we lost fair and square today. We certainly have the right to be frustrated at our bad luck yesterday, however.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Definitely. I'm not sure who would have won if it was played yesterday (I think Arc, probably). The delay did let Nexzil get some extra practice in plus their better players were actually available to play today, both of which I think made a difference. All of the games were hugely entertaining and I can't wait to see you guys face off again. I'll be rooting for Nexzil, but I would be scared to ever see "arc" on the opposing team from me in any pub. You guys are deadly.
Well today, best lineup of yours played against the best lineup of ours. But for me, its far more interesting to see, what both teams did differently. There are some big differences in the meta strategy and u can see that by watching the recordings. Both Teams choosed the same initial strategy as aliens. Noticing the difference by paying attention on the marine side is very helpful.
I guess the difference of opinion on wether we would have won those 3 games is just that, im an eternal optimist when im commanding my team, because i know they are very skilled, and believe we would have won the second 2 for sure, tho i was joking after the first game when i said "we were just about to win", you never know!
I dont think anyone can blame us for playing the rematch, in this game, you are often only one unnoticed rush away from victory no matter who you are playing.
<!--quoteo(post=1974706:date=Sep 9 2012, 06:52 PM:name=WasabiOne)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WasabiOne @ Sep 9 2012, 06:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974706"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As I said congrats to nxzl, but to say the schedule was changed at the last second is false it was chaned when only 5 teams signed up nxzl being the last one just the day before the cup. My point is in saying that in other types of games you can typically only sub out one player per round, so to switch out 2 and then a 3rd the next game is a little bit of an issue for me. Again this is the first of many games both teams played great an I hope to see a rematch soon. Also still can't wait to see inv and nxzl play, it's always good to see two good teams fom the same region play.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From ENSL.org as of September 4th | <a href="http://www.ensl.org/articles/701" target="_blank">http://www.ensl.org/articles/701</a> <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Now that the new patch (217) made the game much more enjoyable we're happy to announce the "first" (yeah hopefully noone will remember the last failed one, sigh summer) Natural Selection 2 Beta Night Cup! The cup will be held this weekend (8.-9.), Saturday to Sunday. Matches will be played from 18.00CET Saturday up until we have 2 finalists and the "grand" final will be at Sunday 18.00CET.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The update was posted friday night while the NA was asleep (the match for us started at 1 pm saturday) | <a href="http://www.ensl.org/articles/704" target="_blank">http://www.ensl.org/articles/704</a>
<!--quoteo(post=1974706:date=Sep 9 2012, 06:52 PM:name=WasabiOne)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WasabiOne @ Sep 9 2012, 06:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974706"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As I said congrats to nxzl, but to say the schedule was changed at the last second is false it was chaned when only 5 teams signed up nxzl being the last one just the day before the cup. My point is in saying that in other types of games you can typically only sub out one player per round, so to switch out 2 and then a 3rd the next game is a little bit of an issue for me. Again this is the first of many games both teams played great an I hope to see a rematch soon. Also still can't wait to see inv and nxzl play, it's always good to see two good teams fom the same region play.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Your point about the subs seems a bit odd to me though, as I dont recall there being any rules saying we couldnt sub out players. We have enough players for two seperate teams, so for matches we run the best of those teams on their respective sides. Also, to say that its typical that you can only sub one player per round seems odd too, as the practice of having completely different marine and alien teams is something that started back in NS 1.04.
You can take issue with it all you want, but don't call what we did into question simply because you don't like it. That's biased, and frankly unsportsmanlike. Regardless of circumstance, we weren't simply handed a victory today, we worked for it. Hard. Trying to diminish what we did is just rude.
Both teams played very well, and while I agree we played much better today, we also snatched our first victory from the jaws of certain defeat, so to simply say we had no chance in any of the games yesterday seems a bit premature to me. This game is about more than individual skill, and thats what makes it great.
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edited September 2012
It seems to me that all of this debate can be avoided by pointing out the circumstances which led us to have to cancel three games in a row. Of course the overall success of yesterday's games were the individual accomplishments of the players and teams, and getting over one thousand viewers on the twitch.tv stream experiencing NS2 for the first time.
Certainly good games played to all, hopefully in the future any and all controversy can be avoided, primarily by preventing such an odd issue in the first place.
The last I heard, the server issues had been caused by an outside source. I have no idea if they were able to confirm who was doing it, but it was definitely someone attempting to disrupt the game. I suspect the only reason we didn't have any trouble today was because there weren't 1000+ people watching on a stream.
I certainly hope they can figure out how it was being done though, and implement something to prevent it in the future.
Wasabi, i want to understand u. Are u complayning about the fact, that the best lineup of arc played against the best lineup of nxzl today ? Because it sure sounds that way. U didnt even bother to mention, that americans usually have to wake up rather early in the morning to attend an european scheduled match. I dont know how well u can play early in the morning, but i for sure suck after i woke up. So the whole nexzil team has to play right after they wake up and u are complaying about ... i dont know, mercs that played the day before ? WTF !
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<!--quoteo(post=1974704:date=Sep 9 2012, 11:50 PM:name=Hunter.S.T.)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hunter.S.T. @ Sep 9 2012, 11:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974704"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->im an eternal optimist when im commanding my team<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Perhaps delusional is more accurate, considering the state of the rounds when the server crashed.
<!--quoteo(post=1974702:date=Sep 9 2012, 11:47 PM:name=Kasperle)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kasperle @ Sep 9 2012, 11:47 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974702"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Noticing the difference by paying attention on the marine side is very helpful.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yup. We were outfragging you on both rounds, but still lost in the end. I'm sure we'll be studying the stream recordings with great detail over the next few days to see exactly where our strategies/tactics failed.
<!--quoteo(post=1974740:date=Sep 10 2012, 12:50 AM:name=RedDragon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RedDragon @ Sep 10 2012, 12:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974740"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I believe eagleye was subbed in for their alien game. I'm not sure if he just became available for that round, but he was certainly present.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think this debate is a dead end. Talking about best six and whatnot is certainly completely pointless. If a team can't field their best six, then that's their problem. I don't have any issues with you changing your lineup for the next day either. As long as the players are on your team, that's your prerogative.
It was just a small beta tourny... and it's over, can't the teams just say GG and start preparing for the next event instead of trying to invalidate each other?
Maybe if GG's were had, honestly all i saw was alot of *$#@. The fact that the server 'issues' were magically resolved and then the other 'oddities' its pretty obvious that more was going on then is known...
From the rounds I saw the first day its pretty clear who the winners should have been, doesnt really matter much in the end but when your trying to promote competitive gameplay and then have teams winning because of unbalanced or arguably unfun gameplay... it doesnt do much to make people want to play.. IMO ofcourse.
<!--quoteo(post=1974751:date=Sep 9 2012, 08:33 PM:name=fanatic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fanatic @ Sep 9 2012, 08:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974751"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Perhaps delusional is more accurate, considering the state of the rounds when the server crashed.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats rather rude.
<!--quoteo(post=1974751:date=Sep 9 2012, 08:33 PM:name=fanatic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fanatic @ Sep 9 2012, 08:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974751"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yup. We were outfragging you on both rounds, but still lost in the end. I'm sure we'll be studying the stream recordings with great detail over the next few days to see exactly where our strategies/tactics failed.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can already tell you what happened, but you've already demonstrated hostility to opinions not your own, so I don't see a point.
<!--quoteo(post=1974751:date=Sep 9 2012, 08:33 PM:name=fanatic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fanatic @ Sep 9 2012, 08:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974751"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think this debate is a dead end. Talking about best six and whatnot is certainly completely pointless. If a team can't field their best six, then that's their problem. I don't have any issues with you changing your lineup for the next day either. As long as the players are on your team, that's your prerogative.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't realize there was a debate? I simply stated a fact.
This isn't the first time I've had to point out that you would be better served by maintaining a polite and civil attitude towards members of the community Fana. You're well respected, but you have a habit of making biting, if not all together hostile, comments towards people you disagree with.
You guys are an incredible team, and you've certainly earned your reputation. You should seriously consider how your actions on these forums reflect on both yourself and your team. I understand you're very well known here, and have been a member of the community for a long time, but that gives you no right to be rude to others. And honestly being provoked isnt really an excuse, if thats one you wish to make.
Point of fact, you may not like what I've said here, but I've been perfectly civil about it. I recommend you do the same, least you turn this into a dispute.
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Curious what round you're referring to though; was it the second or third?
2nd crash was up in the air
3rd crash we had the edge (aliens, on 420 server)
Nobody had an advantage from server crashes. To suggest otherwise (gg chicken) is ridiculous.
G1: was basically over.
G2: RedDragon bit sub RT and 3 marines were coming to kill your ninja, desperation 2nd hive.
G3: 4 JP marines with SG's and GL's were 3 seconds away from an empty cargo hive with fades another 1-2 minutes away.
What edge did you guys have anyways? Element of surprise maybe for G2?
But G3 I guess if you killed 2-3 waves of 4 JP marines into cargo you might of been able to get 1-2 fades with blink up. A lot riding on those 2 fades though especially with grenade spam.
Can't doubt your optimism though.
REMATCH, REMATCH, REMATCH!
edit: It should be mentioned, the original finals were scheduled for Sunday - which we had our best line up ready for. The schedule was changed last minute on the day of, because of the large amount of stream viewers.
You guys can focus on what-ifs all night, or you can save it for the next match-up.
*edit* that said if all the games had been played yesterday, arc would have clearly won.
That we can all agree on. =] The teams put on an awesome display.
?? You're the first to suggest this.
<!--quoteo(post=1974669:date=Sep 9 2012, 10:52 PM:name=Wheeee)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wheeee @ Sep 9 2012, 10:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974669"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->if arc is mad about the results<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We have no reason to be mad about the results, we lost fair and square today. We certainly have the right to be frustrated at our bad luck yesterday, however.
Nah, that's the implication behind a lot of the messages people are posting.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We have no reason to be mad about the results, we lost fair and square today. We certainly have the right to be frustrated at our bad luck yesterday, however.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Definitely. I'm not sure who would have won if it was played yesterday (I think Arc, probably). The delay did let Nexzil get some extra practice in plus their better players were actually available to play today, both of which I think made a difference. All of the games were hugely entertaining and I can't wait to see you guys face off again. I'll be rooting for Nexzil, but I would be scared to ever see "arc" on the opposing team from me in any pub. You guys are deadly.
I dont think anyone can blame us for playing the rematch, in this game, you are often only one unnoticed rush away from victory no matter who you are playing.
From ENSL.org as of September 4th | <a href="http://www.ensl.org/articles/701" target="_blank">http://www.ensl.org/articles/701</a>
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Now that the new patch (217) made the game much more enjoyable we're happy to announce the "first" (yeah hopefully noone will remember the last failed one, sigh summer) Natural Selection 2 Beta Night Cup! The cup will be held this weekend (8.-9.), Saturday to Sunday. Matches will be played from 18.00CET Saturday up until we have 2 finalists and the "grand" final will be at Sunday 18.00CET.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The update was posted friday night while the NA was asleep (the match for us started at 1 pm saturday) | <a href="http://www.ensl.org/articles/704" target="_blank">http://www.ensl.org/articles/704</a>
So, yeah, that's what I call last minute.
Please don't call me a liar. <3
Your point about the subs seems a bit odd to me though, as I dont recall there being any rules saying we couldnt sub out players. We have enough players for two seperate teams, so for matches we run the best of those teams on their respective sides. Also, to say that its typical that you can only sub one player per round seems odd too, as the practice of having completely different marine and alien teams is something that started back in NS 1.04.
You can take issue with it all you want, but don't call what we did into question simply because you don't like it. That's biased, and frankly unsportsmanlike. Regardless of circumstance, we weren't simply handed a victory today, we worked for it. Hard. Trying to diminish what we did is just rude.
Both teams played very well, and while I agree we played much better today, we also snatched our first victory from the jaws of certain defeat, so to simply say we had no chance in any of the games yesterday seems a bit premature to me. This game is about more than individual skill, and thats what makes it great.
Certainly good games played to all, hopefully in the future any and all controversy can be avoided, primarily by preventing such an odd issue in the first place.
I certainly hope they can figure out how it was being done though, and implement something to prevent it in the future.
I dont know how well u can play early in the morning, but i for sure suck after i woke up. So the whole nexzil team has to play right after they wake up and u are complaying about ... i dont know, mercs that played the day before ? WTF !
Perhaps delusional is more accurate, considering the state of the rounds when the server crashed.
<!--quoteo(post=1974702:date=Sep 9 2012, 11:47 PM:name=Kasperle)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kasperle @ Sep 9 2012, 11:47 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974702"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Noticing the difference by paying attention on the marine side is very helpful.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yup. We were outfragging you on both rounds, but still lost in the end. I'm sure we'll be studying the stream recordings with great detail over the next few days to see exactly where our strategies/tactics failed.
<!--quoteo(post=1974740:date=Sep 10 2012, 12:50 AM:name=RedDragon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RedDragon @ Sep 10 2012, 12:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974740"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I believe eagleye was subbed in for their alien game. I'm not sure if he just became available for that round, but he was certainly present.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think this debate is a dead end. Talking about best six and whatnot is certainly completely pointless. If a team can't field their best six, then that's their problem. I don't have any issues with you changing your lineup for the next day either. As long as the players are on your team, that's your prerogative.
From the rounds I saw the first day its pretty clear who the winners should have been, doesnt really matter much in the end but when your trying to promote competitive gameplay and then have teams winning because of unbalanced or arguably unfun gameplay... it doesnt do much to make people want to play.. IMO ofcourse.
Thats rather rude.
<!--quoteo(post=1974751:date=Sep 9 2012, 08:33 PM:name=fanatic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fanatic @ Sep 9 2012, 08:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974751"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yup. We were outfragging you on both rounds, but still lost in the end. I'm sure we'll be studying the stream recordings with great detail over the next few days to see exactly where our strategies/tactics failed.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can already tell you what happened, but you've already demonstrated hostility to opinions not your own, so I don't see a point.
<!--quoteo(post=1974751:date=Sep 9 2012, 08:33 PM:name=fanatic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fanatic @ Sep 9 2012, 08:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1974751"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think this debate is a dead end. Talking about best six and whatnot is certainly completely pointless. If a team can't field their best six, then that's their problem. I don't have any issues with you changing your lineup for the next day either. As long as the players are on your team, that's your prerogative.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't realize there was a debate? I simply stated a fact.
This isn't the first time I've had to point out that you would be better served by maintaining a polite and civil attitude towards members of the community Fana. You're well respected, but you have a habit of making biting, if not all together hostile, comments towards people you disagree with.
You guys are an incredible team, and you've certainly earned your reputation. You should seriously consider how your actions on these forums reflect on both yourself and your team. I understand you're very well known here, and have been a member of the community for a long time, but that gives you no right to be rude to others. And honestly being provoked isnt really an excuse, if thats one you wish to make.
Point of fact, you may not like what I've said here, but I've been perfectly civil about it. I recommend you do the same, least you turn this into a dispute.