Dont understand how people can really complain much about this considering the considerably smaller impact each player has in NS2 compared to NS1...
While I understand playing against people with vastly greater skill isnt always fun, NS2 gives you pretty much all the tools to beat those players regardless of how good they are. I will say that generally playing against better players can make you better too, there are things you cannot be taught or learn, they are things which require better hand-eye coordination or advanced levels of gamesense or other skill. Point being that NS2 is vastly more skill capped than NS1, to the point where I think alot of competitive players dont even enjoy pubbing the game at all, especially since they can play very well and have all their effort be for naught.
<!--quoteo(post=1988961:date=Oct 9 2012, 11:05 PM:name=xDragon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xDragon @ Oct 9 2012, 11:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1988961"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Dont understand how people can really complain much about this considering the considerably smaller impact each player has in NS2 compared to NS1...
While I understand playing against people with vastly greater skill isnt always fun, NS2 gives you pretty much all the tools to beat those players regardless of how good they are. I will say that generally playing against better players can make you better too, there are things you cannot be taught or learn, they are things which require better hand-eye coordination or advanced levels of gamesense or other skill. Point being that NS2 is vastly more skill capped than NS1, to the point where I think alot of competitive players dont even enjoy pubbing the game at all, especially since they can play very well and have all their effort be for naught.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whether or not any of that is true, it doesn't matter, because noone has reached the fabled "skill cap" yet. As long as people aren't getting 100% accuracy with the LMG, or are still taking bullets as a skulk, they can be better, so the skill cap is irrelevant. As for the impact single players can have on a game, it is entirely dependant on the percentage of the team which they make up, and the duration of sustained play. Both of which remain mostly unchanged since NS1.
It reminds me of when we had gorgeous and rant on our server, and people were complaining about them playing together. They have as much right to play with their friends, as anyone else does. They are not responsible for ensureing that you enjoy your gaming experience. Gorgeous and rant even voted random when they joined the server, and people who hadnt voted were still complaining, gorgeous actually had to type to them to convince em to vote random. I ask you, what more could they have done?
Nexzil dont really stack by the way. At least not that ive seen.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1988950:date=Oct 9 2012, 04:47 PM:name=rantology)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rantology @ Oct 9 2012, 04:47 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1988950"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So where exactly are these "team stacking professionals" supposed to play, seeing as there are only a very small number (2-3 usually) of populated NA servers at any given time? :/
It's not that competitive players enjoy pub stomping. They don't, I guarantee you the majority of competitive players would prefer to play with/against players of equal or greater skill. It's that there is simply not enough population to support skill-specific servers or any other kind of matchmaking/skill separation.
The best you can do is voterandom on every server you can at the moment, and hope that the population will rise enough to support servers for every skill level and learning curve upon release.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Right now 2 good players on one team is considered stacking. I find this funny because if you solo on any other fps out there you will go up against premade after premade after premade. At least NS2 makes both teams fill up evenly.
There's a difference between saying something and actually <b>doing</b> it.
If you're still joining the same teams, then telling people to type voterandom means <b>NOTHING</b> when you don't even make an effort to actually GO to a random team.
<i>"WELP, HURF DURF LETS JUST TYPE VOTERANDOM AND STILL JOIN THE SAME TEAM, IT'LL MAKE <b>ALL</b> THE DIFFERENCE."</i>
If clans like <!--coloro:#008000--><span style="color:#008000"><!--/coloro-->NXZL<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->, <i>bloated</i> in egocentricity after only a couple stream'd tournaments, continue to <u>annoy</u>/<u>frustrate</u>/<u>scare off</u> the potential this game even has in sustaining a worth-while community, then this game will just end up <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->DEAD<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> like <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro--><i>NS1</i><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->, only to have the cycle of death (history) repeat itself ONCE AGAIN for <!--coloro:#008080--><span style="color:#008080"><!--/coloro--><i>NS2</i><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->.
<b>ALL THESE</b> <i><b>YEARS</b></i> just to have history repeat itself.
<!--quoteo(post=1988818:date=Oct 9 2012, 12:13 PM:name=RedDragon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RedDragon @ Oct 9 2012, 12:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1988818"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We're really nice guys (and gals) once you get to know us. :-/<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<i>Riiight.</i>
<!--coloro:#A0522D--><span style="color:#A0522D"><!--/coloro-->HBZ<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->, on the other-hand, actually has some modesty in games, most notably in their servers....but still not enough to convince me of this game's inevitable NS1-fate.
<!--quoteo(post=1988950:date=Oct 9 2012, 04:47 PM:name=rantology)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rantology @ Oct 9 2012, 04:47 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1988950"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So where exactly are these "team stacking professionals" supposed to play, seeing as there are only a very small number (2-3 usually) of populated NA servers at any given time? :/
It's not that competitive players enjoy pub stomping. They don't, I guarantee you the majority of competitive players would prefer to play with/against players of equal or greater skill. It's that there is simply not enough population to support skill-specific servers or any other kind of matchmaking/skill separation.
The best you can do is voterandom on every server you can at the moment, and hope that the population will rise enough to support servers for every skill level and learning curve upon release.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's assuming this game will even <b><i>have</i></b> a community after release if you and the other clans continue to pub-stomp mercilessly.
In other words, either:
<u>Keep your "<i>kind</i>" away from the general public</u>.
or
<u>Embrace them with welcoming arms, <b>merciful</b> and <b>modest</b> in teaching.</u>
Stop letting EGO drive this community to the <b>ground</b>.
What are you talking about zombeh. If it wouldnt be a complete waste of time, i would start asking the teams and players we have helped come in here to post telling you to shut your face, i encourage any who are reading this garbage to please post and tell him if we have helped you.
Zombeh, I ask you to point to even one egocentric post any current member of our clan has made on these forums. Can i please hear from what all these defamatory statements are based upon?
We have a rule that anyone who gets an ego will be cut, so id be surprised if you can find anything.
<!--quoteo(post=1989029:date=Oct 9 2012, 07:54 PM:name=Hunter.S.T.)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hunter.S.T. @ Oct 9 2012, 07:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1989029"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What are you talking about zombeh. If it wouldnt be a complete waste of time, i would start asking the teams and players we have helped come in here to post telling you to shut your face, i encourage any who are reading this garbage to please post and tell him if we have helped you.
Zombeh, I ask you to point to even one egocentric post any current member of our clan has made on these forums. Can i please hear from what all these defamatory statements are based upon?
We have a rule that anyone who gets an ego will be cut, so id be surprised if you can find anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I've said what's been needed to say.
Only time will tell if what I and others like Imbalanxd, have said holds true.
No. It is not rantology nor my job to go random or to split up when joining teams. We play for fun. We vote random. If the rest of the server wants to split us up, they can easily do it by also voting random. I sit right next to rantology. It takes a lot of the enjoyment out of the game when we're on separate teams because it really hinders my communication with my team. Yelling at players to do stuff is typically how I win ~80% of my pubs and that's really difficult when the other team can hear everything I'm saying.
Not only is it not my job to play for your fun, but I'm actually helping whiners like you random up the teams when I vote random. I enjoy voterandom mostly because it forces everyone into the game quicker -- you don't get 6 people sitting in the ready room for the first 5 minutes. It also shuts down the whining when a team gets steamrolled. What a lot of people fail to realize is that losing a game does not mean you lost to a skill stack. Their teamwork may have been better, their strategy may have been better, or they may have just gotten more lucky than you. An overwhelming majority of the time when I see someone complaining about "team stacking," the teams are actually relatively fair for a pub.
I'm also unsure why you're being such an idiot when posting at nxzl. That's a pretty incoherent rant.
And lastly, the idea that one clan or a handful of "team stackers" are going to kill this game is laughable. If NS2 dies, it will be its own fault.
No. It is not rantology nor my job to go random or to split up when joining teams. We play for fun. We vote random. If the rest of the server wants to split us up, they can easily do it by also voting random. I sit right next to rantology. It takes a lot of the enjoyment out of the game when we're on separate teams because it really hinders my communication with my team. Yelling at players to do stuff is typically how I win ~80% of my pubs and that's really difficult when the other team can hear everything I'm saying.
Not only is it not my job to play for your fun, but I'm actually helping whiners like you random up the teams when I vote random. I enjoy voterandom mostly because it forces everyone into the game quicker -- you don't get 6 people sitting in the ready room for the first 5 minutes. It also shuts down the whining when a team gets steamrolled. What a lot of people fail to realize is that losing a game does not mean you lost to a skill stack. Their teamwork may have been better, their strategy may have been better, or they may have just gotten more lucky than you. An overwhelming majority of the time when I see someone complaining about "team stacking," the teams are actually relatively fair for a pub.
I'm also unsure why you're being such an idiot when posting at nxzl. That's a pretty incoherent rant.
And lastly, the idea that one clan or a handful of "team stackers" are going to kill this game is laughable. If NS2 dies, it will be its own fault.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No. It is not rantology nor my job to go random or to split up when joining teams.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How very selfless of you in such an early stage of a developing game.
<!--quoteo(post=1988707:date=Oct 9 2012, 05:47 AM:name=Imbalanxd)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Imbalanxd @ Oct 9 2012, 05:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1988707"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have no idea what this thread is supposed to be about, but I will say this.
When you stack a round, you kill a server. When you kill a server, you kill the game. Do what you want, but understand the consequences of your actions.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can deny whether stacking will kill the game. I honestly don't care if I don't have fun if players stack. I have my own ways of tolerating stackage.
What I do care about is if others don't have fun and end up leaving because of stacks, but like I said, we'll see what happens when this game is truly released to the public.
This thread actually happened. Bunch of whiners complaining about skilled players, what do you want them to do? Bow to your every wish so your experience is unlike real life where you get butt hurt every day by people better than you.
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edited October 2012
I don't get pub stomped, I join Gathers and get Gather Stomped!
On Gathers, I know I am going to get stomped every game I play, hahaha :D
On Pubs, I never know whether I'm going to finish in the middle or bottom, I like to know I will be bottom of the scoreboard, so I join a Gather :D
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If stacking is done by competitve players, then we are safe, as there will be at least 100,000 copies of NS2 in the wild on release day, and the next tournament has just over 100 pro players, so that makes 1 pro player per 1000 players.
For stacking, you'd need at least 6 on a team, which means 16.67, call it 17 servers can be stacked. If there are 100,000 players at 18 slots per server, thats 5555.55 (call it 5555) servers to support these players, meaning the chance of suffering a skill stack ridiculously small.
Your comments sound like they come from a player who feels he should be good at this game, and generally feels he is good, probably top the score charts, until there are a few comp players on the other team and his lack of skill gets shown to him, and his precious score is ruined, so he whines about it. Man up and take your beatings.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bon Jovi+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bon Jovi)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You can't win until you're not afraid to lose<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1989041:date=Oct 9 2012, 08:16 PM:name=Zomb3h)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zomb3h @ Oct 9 2012, 08:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1989041"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How very selfless of you in such an early stage of a developing game.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Stop whining and voterandom. Everything isn't always someone else's fault. Sometimes its your fault.
To me it's reminiscient of children in a playground, complaining because they think that the teams in the game they are playing are unfair. People, you are adults, who understand that this happenes to some extent in every online fps game ever made.
Complaining about it is needless because a mechanism allready exists for you to fix it yourselves (random teams).
If you are that botherd, join a gather, teams are picked.
Zombeh, you cant provide any reason for posting about nexzil like that, you are behaving quite rudely, without any cause i can see. You would do well to think more before you post and assume less.
<!--quoteo(post=1989049:date=Oct 9 2012, 08:31 PM:name=Hunter.S.T.)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hunter.S.T. @ Oct 9 2012, 08:31 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1989049"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->To me it's reminiscient of children in a playground, complaining because they think that the teams in the game they are playing are unfair. People, you are adults, who understand that this happenes to some extent in every online fps game ever made.
Complaining about it is needless because a mechanism allready exists for you to fix it yourselves (random teams).
If you are that botherd, join a gather, teams are picked.
Zombeh, you cant provide any reason for posting about nexzil like that, you are behaving quite rudely, without any cause i can see. You would do well to think more before you post and assume less.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1989029:date=Oct 9 2012, 07:54 PM:name=Hunter.S.T.)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hunter.S.T. @ Oct 9 2012, 07:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1989029"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What are you talking about zombeh. If it wouldnt be a complete waste of time, i would start asking the teams and players we have helped come in here to post telling you to shut your face, i encourage any who are reading this garbage to please post and tell him if we have helped you.
Zombeh, I ask you to point to even one egocentric post any current member of our clan has made on these forums. Can i please hear from what all these defamatory statements are based upon?
We have a rule that anyone who gets an ego will be cut, so id be surprised if you can find anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Zombeh, I ask you to point to even one egocentric post any current member of our clan has made on these forums.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->on these forums<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To quote a "wiseman" (unlisted NS1 vet competent of NS history) "EVERYONE is reasonable and presentable in a courtroom [forums]...doesn't mean ###### in the real world [ingame]"
Also, refer to "Plausible Deniability" I'm not going around town, screenshotting "egocentricity," except the one I posted earlier, which was merely prompted considering it was in reply to this thread.
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While I understand playing against people with vastly greater skill isnt always fun, NS2 gives you pretty much all the tools to beat those players regardless of how good they are. I will say that generally playing against better players can make you better too, there are things you cannot be taught or learn, they are things which require better hand-eye coordination or advanced levels of gamesense or other skill. Point being that NS2 is vastly more skill capped than NS1, to the point where I think alot of competitive players dont even enjoy pubbing the game at all, especially since they can play very well and have all their effort be for naught.
While I understand playing against people with vastly greater skill isnt always fun, NS2 gives you pretty much all the tools to beat those players regardless of how good they are. I will say that generally playing against better players can make you better too, there are things you cannot be taught or learn, they are things which require better hand-eye coordination or advanced levels of gamesense or other skill. Point being that NS2 is vastly more skill capped than NS1, to the point where I think alot of competitive players dont even enjoy pubbing the game at all, especially since they can play very well and have all their effort be for naught.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Whether or not any of that is true, it doesn't matter, because noone has reached the fabled "skill cap" yet. As long as people aren't getting 100% accuracy with the LMG, or are still taking bullets as a skulk, they can be better, so the skill cap is irrelevant. As for the impact single players can have on a game, it is entirely dependant on the percentage of the team which they make up, and the duration of sustained play. Both of which remain mostly unchanged since NS1.
It reminds me of when we had gorgeous and rant on our server, and people were complaining about them playing together. They have as much right to play with their friends, as anyone else does. They are not responsible for ensureing that you enjoy your gaming experience. Gorgeous and rant even voted random when they joined the server, and people who hadnt voted were still complaining, gorgeous actually had to type to them to convince em to vote random. I ask you, what more could they have done?
Nexzil dont really stack by the way. At least not that ive seen.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1988950:date=Oct 9 2012, 04:47 PM:name=rantology)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rantology @ Oct 9 2012, 04:47 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1988950"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So where exactly are these "team stacking professionals" supposed to play, seeing as there are only a very small number (2-3 usually) of populated NA servers at any given time? :/
It's not that competitive players enjoy pub stomping. They don't, I guarantee you the majority of competitive players would prefer to play with/against players of equal or greater skill. It's that there is simply not enough population to support skill-specific servers or any other kind of matchmaking/skill separation.
The best you can do is voterandom on every server you can at the moment, and hope that the population will rise enough to support servers for every skill level and learning curve upon release.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/CwTTn.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />
WAR NEVARE CHANGES
There's a difference between saying something and actually <b>doing</b> it.
If you're still joining the same teams, then telling people to type voterandom means <b>NOTHING</b> when you don't even make an effort to actually GO to a random team.
<i>"WELP, HURF DURF LETS JUST TYPE VOTERANDOM AND STILL JOIN THE SAME TEAM, IT'LL MAKE <b>ALL</b> THE DIFFERENCE."</i>
If clans like <!--coloro:#008000--><span style="color:#008000"><!--/coloro-->NXZL<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->, <i>bloated</i> in egocentricity after only a couple stream'd tournaments, continue to <u>annoy</u>/<u>frustrate</u>/<u>scare off</u> the potential this game even has in sustaining a worth-while community, then this game will just end up <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->DEAD<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> like <!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro--><i>NS1</i><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->, only to have the cycle of death (history) repeat itself ONCE AGAIN for <!--coloro:#008080--><span style="color:#008080"><!--/coloro--><i>NS2</i><!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->.
<b>ALL THESE</b> <i><b>YEARS</b></i> just to have history repeat itself.
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/CwTTn.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />
<!--quoteo(post=1988818:date=Oct 9 2012, 12:13 PM:name=RedDragon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RedDragon @ Oct 9 2012, 12:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1988818"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We're really nice guys (and gals) once you get to know us. :-/<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<i>Riiight.</i>
<!--coloro:#A0522D--><span style="color:#A0522D"><!--/coloro-->HBZ<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->, on the other-hand, actually has some modesty in games, most notably in their servers....but still not enough to convince me of this game's inevitable NS1-fate.
<!--quoteo(post=1988950:date=Oct 9 2012, 04:47 PM:name=rantology)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rantology @ Oct 9 2012, 04:47 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1988950"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So where exactly are these "team stacking professionals" supposed to play, seeing as there are only a very small number (2-3 usually) of populated NA servers at any given time? :/
It's not that competitive players enjoy pub stomping. They don't, I guarantee you the majority of competitive players would prefer to play with/against players of equal or greater skill. It's that there is simply not enough population to support skill-specific servers or any other kind of matchmaking/skill separation.
The best you can do is voterandom on every server you can at the moment, and hope that the population will rise enough to support servers for every skill level and learning curve upon release.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's assuming this game will even <b><i>have</i></b> a community after release if you and the other clans continue to pub-stomp mercilessly.
In other words, either:
<u>Keep your "<i>kind</i>" away from the general public</u>.
or
<u>Embrace them with welcoming arms, <b>merciful</b> and <b>modest</b> in teaching.</u>
Stop letting EGO drive this community to the <b>ground</b>.
Zombeh, I ask you to point to even one egocentric post any current member of our clan has made on these forums. Can i please hear from what all these defamatory statements are based upon?
We have a rule that anyone who gets an ego will be cut, so id be surprised if you can find anything.
Zombeh, I ask you to point to even one egocentric post any current member of our clan has made on these forums. Can i please hear from what all these defamatory statements are based upon?
We have a rule that anyone who gets an ego will be cut, so id be surprised if you can find anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've said what's been needed to say.
Only time will tell if what I and others like Imbalanxd, have said holds true.
No. It is not rantology nor my job to go random or to split up when joining teams. We play for fun. We vote random. If the rest of the server wants to split us up, they can easily do it by also voting random. I sit right next to rantology. It takes a lot of the enjoyment out of the game when we're on separate teams because it really hinders my communication with my team. Yelling at players to do stuff is typically how I win ~80% of my pubs and that's really difficult when the other team can hear everything I'm saying.
Not only is it not my job to play for your fun, but I'm actually helping whiners like you random up the teams when I vote random. I enjoy voterandom mostly because it forces everyone into the game quicker -- you don't get 6 people sitting in the ready room for the first 5 minutes. It also shuts down the whining when a team gets steamrolled. What a lot of people fail to realize is that losing a game does not mean you lost to a skill stack. Their teamwork may have been better, their strategy may have been better, or they may have just gotten more lucky than you. An overwhelming majority of the time when I see someone complaining about "team stacking," the teams are actually relatively fair for a pub.
I'm also unsure why you're being such an idiot when posting at nxzl. That's a pretty incoherent rant.
And lastly, the idea that one clan or a handful of "team stackers" are going to kill this game is laughable. If NS2 dies, it will be its own fault.
Is it about Stacking?
About NXZL (EU)?
NXZL (USA)?
Comps on pubs?
Sorry but someone has to explain me this! I already wrote it in the 2. post but I still don't get it :-(.....
No. It is not rantology nor my job to go random or to split up when joining teams. We play for fun. We vote random. If the rest of the server wants to split us up, they can easily do it by also voting random. I sit right next to rantology. It takes a lot of the enjoyment out of the game when we're on separate teams because it really hinders my communication with my team. Yelling at players to do stuff is typically how I win ~80% of my pubs and that's really difficult when the other team can hear everything I'm saying.
Not only is it not my job to play for your fun, but I'm actually helping whiners like you random up the teams when I vote random. I enjoy voterandom mostly because it forces everyone into the game quicker -- you don't get 6 people sitting in the ready room for the first 5 minutes. It also shuts down the whining when a team gets steamrolled. What a lot of people fail to realize is that losing a game does not mean you lost to a skill stack. Their teamwork may have been better, their strategy may have been better, or they may have just gotten more lucky than you. An overwhelming majority of the time when I see someone complaining about "team stacking," the teams are actually relatively fair for a pub.
I'm also unsure why you're being such an idiot when posting at nxzl. That's a pretty incoherent rant.
And lastly, the idea that one clan or a handful of "team stackers" are going to kill this game is laughable. If NS2 dies, it will be its own fault.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1989038:date=Oct 9 2012, 08:06 PM:name=GORGEous)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GORGEous @ Oct 9 2012, 08:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1989038"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Zomb3h,
No. It is not rantology nor my job to go random or to split up when joining teams.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How very selfless of you in such an early stage of a developing game.
<!--quoteo(post=1988707:date=Oct 9 2012, 05:47 AM:name=Imbalanxd)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Imbalanxd @ Oct 9 2012, 05:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1988707"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have no idea what this thread is supposed to be about, but I will say this.
When you stack a round, you kill a server.
When you kill a server, you kill the game.
Do what you want, but understand the consequences of your actions.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGXP7zo4YNY#t=0m31s" target="_blank"><u>WAR NEVARE CHANGES</u></a>.
You can deny whether stacking will kill the game. I honestly don't care if I don't have fun if players stack. I have my own ways of tolerating stackage.
What I do care about is if others don't have fun and end up leaving because of stacks, but like I said, we'll see what happens when this game is truly released to the public.
Go play NS1 if you don't believe me.
On Gathers, I know I am going to get stomped every game I play, hahaha :D
On Pubs, I never know whether I'm going to finish in the middle or bottom, I like to know I will be bottom of the scoreboard, so I join a Gather :D
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If stacking is done by competitve players, then we are safe, as there will be at least 100,000 copies of NS2 in the wild on release day, and the next tournament has just over 100 pro players, so that makes 1 pro player per 1000 players.
For stacking, you'd need at least 6 on a team, which means 16.67, call it 17 servers can be stacked. If there are 100,000 players at 18 slots per server, thats 5555.55 (call it 5555) servers to support these players, meaning the chance of suffering a skill stack ridiculously small.
Your comments sound like they come from a player who feels he should be good at this game, and generally feels he is good, probably top the score charts, until there are a few comp players on the other team and his lack of skill gets shown to him, and his precious score is ruined, so he whines about it. Man up and take your beatings.
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Stop whining and voterandom. Everything isn't always someone else's fault. Sometimes its your fault.
Complaining about it is needless because a mechanism allready exists for you to fix it yourselves (random teams).
If you are that botherd, join a gather, teams are picked.
Zombeh, you cant provide any reason for posting about nexzil like that, you are behaving quite rudely, without any cause i can see. You would do well to think more before you post and assume less.
Complaining about it is needless because a mechanism allready exists for you to fix it yourselves (random teams).
If you are that botherd, join a gather, teams are picked.
Zombeh, you cant provide any reason for posting about nexzil like that, you are behaving quite rudely, without any cause i can see. You would do well to think more before you post and assume less.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Zombeh, I ask you to point to even one egocentric post any current member of our clan has made on these forums. Can i please hear from what all these defamatory statements are based upon?
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To quote a "wiseman" (unlisted NS1 vet competent of NS history)
"EVERYONE is reasonable and presentable in a courtroom [forums]...doesn't mean ###### in the real world [ingame]"
Also, refer to "Plausible Deniability"
I'm not going around town, screenshotting "egocentricity," except the one I posted earlier, which was merely prompted considering it was in reply to this thread.
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