There is no more than 2 weeks left till the release. I just hope to know how the optimization went in recent builds. I haven't(couldn't) play ns2 since beta 221.
4-5Ghz Sandy\Ivy-bridges for servers are required to sustain a measily tick-rate of 30. I knew the "performance is coming\comes last"-shtick was just to shut up people complaining about it, but even I expected more than what has been delivered on this front so far.
It's always one more build for the real improvements isn't it...
<!--quoteo(post=1993363:date=Oct 18 2012, 11:37 AM:name=player)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (player @ Oct 18 2012, 11:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993363"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->4-5Ghz Sandy\Ivy-bridges for servers are required to sustain a measily tick-rate of 30. I knew the "performance is coming\comes last"-shtick was just to shut up people complaining about it, but even I expected more than what has been delivered on this front so far.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
While I agree server performance isn't good enough yet, there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding of how tick rate works in NS2's spark engine. Max explained in a Q&A a while ago that the tick rate only applies to NPC objects. Players don't have a tick rate in spark the way they do in Source or Gold Source. So while the tick rate is a good metric for how much load a server it under, there isn't a direct correlation between tickrate and player update rate.
I wish they would put in some kind of metric for player update rate.
<!--quoteo(post=1993363:date=Oct 18 2012, 02:37 PM:name=player)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (player @ Oct 18 2012, 02:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993363"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's not going well.
4-5Ghz Sandy\Ivy-bridges for servers are required to sustain a measily tick-rate of 30. I knew the "performance is coming\comes last"-shtick was just to shut up people complaining about it, but even I expected more than what has been delivered on this front so far.
It's always one more build for the real improvements isn't it...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The sad thing is that there is a lua performance wall. Even if they optimize the lua code perfectly, there is still the hit from all that lua running. They won't be able to get past a certain speed until they re-attemp lua-jit (unlikely) or maybe push some base classes to C++. They might be able to do some lua hacking as well to add some new features for a speedup (lua-vec, optional manual memory management, etc)
People are currently playing games like skyrim and BF3 flawlessly that are going to come to play this game and wonder why its running so slowly. Will NOT be good for release.
<!--quoteo(post=1993378:date=Oct 18 2012, 03:10 PM:name=Camron)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Camron @ Oct 18 2012, 03:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993378"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The sad thing is that there is a lua performance wall. Even if they optimize the lua code perfectly, there is still the hit from all that lua running. They won't be able to get past a certain speed until they re-attemp lua-jit (unlikely) or maybe push some base classes to C++. They might be able to do some lua hacking as well to add some new features for a speedup (lua-vec, optional manual memory management, etc)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
not that long ago matso said about 30% of the time was in lua proper - the rest in core engine (incl marshalling for lua). now this was before some of the more recent updates, so the % may be higher now. point being that spending resources on faster lua may not have the highest cost/benefit at this time. but agree.. would love to see as efficient lua runtime as possible tailored for this game. we know max has been doing work in this area
Can you guys post what kind of specs you're running and what FPS / Resolution / Settings you are getting out of that??
I pre ordered yesterday but do not have beta acces so I will be curious as to how my system does when the game does release. Can anyone give me a guess based on how your system performs how mine could do?
I'm hoping to pull 60 FPS minimum on max settings, that would make me happy. I am able to do so with games like BF3. Is this harder to run that something like that? Thanks.
Hugh and charlie mentioned some sort of secret improvement coming in 224 that they couldn't talk about for some reason. We'll have to just wait and see.
<!--quoteo(post=1993405:date=Oct 18 2012, 01:04 PM:name=Typhon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Typhon @ Oct 18 2012, 01:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993405"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hugh and charlie mentioned some sort of secret improvement coming in 224 that they couldn't talk about for some reason. We'll have to just wait and see.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When is 224 expected to drop? Are there any confirmed changes coming in that build?
<!--quoteo(post=1993405:date=Oct 18 2012, 04:04 PM:name=Typhon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Typhon @ Oct 18 2012, 04:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993405"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hugh and charlie mentioned some sort of secret improvement coming in 224 that they couldn't talk about for some reason. We'll have to just wait and see.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
really? i thought they said it was not quite ready for 224 & we'd likely see it in the near future. client side improvement. right?
rmbrown - you have more than enough horsepower for pushing pixels. killer rig. you are really only limited by server performance late game.
<!--quoteo(post=1993405:date=Oct 18 2012, 08:04 PM:name=Typhon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Typhon @ Oct 18 2012, 08:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993405"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hugh and charlie mentioned some sort of secret improvement coming in 224 that they couldn't talk about for some reason. We'll have to just wait and see.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
they say a lot of things, especially what's coming for for the patch you're not playing.
If we compared current version with what we had year or so ago, improvements no doubt. But if we start comparing it to other games, the current version is still sluggish, is the word I will go with. Once this goes live people can start comparing this game performance to other games, and first impressions of the game can be pretty big deal.
two weeks to increase client/server performance to the level other games have it? I guess in two weeks we will know.
I saw screenshots, it all were small rooms and corridors, so I thought performance should be pretty well, as there won't be countless numbers of objects to render, like in many games nowadays (what was the last time you've seen a shooting taking palce entierly in closed quarters?). Now that I see all these threads, I'm afarid preordering was a mistake. I have a laptop, i5 2.4 ghz, 8gb ram, GF 540m. Guess I'm screwed. I thought it was still using Source while I was buying it >_<
I have an i5 2450M and I can reliably run the game on medium settings (Reliable for me is +- 40 FPS). Sure there's still some frame drops later on in the game, but I'm sure that will be sorted out eventually. You should be fine, really. Also, some maps are bigger offenders than others. (Mineshaft comes to mind)
<!--quoteo(post=1993422:date=Oct 18 2012, 04:40 PM:name=xen32)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xen32 @ Oct 18 2012, 04:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993422"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I saw screenshots, it all were small rooms and corridors, so I thought performance should be pretty well, as there won't be countless numbers of objects to render, like in many games nowadays (what was the last time you've seen a shooting taking palce entierly in closed quarters?). Now that I see all these threads, I'm afarid preordering was a mistake. I have a laptop, i5 2.4 ghz, 8gb ram, GF 540m. Guess I'm screwed. I thought it was still using Source while I was buying it >_<<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Xen. I would relax, it will run quite ok on your machine by release. In fact, it runs quite alright on your machine right now (with some settings turned off that is).
I've been maxing this thing's settings at over 60 fps for years now. I don't know what you guys have been complaining about all this time; maybe I'm just blessed by the magic FPS gods.
<!--quoteo(post=1993428:date=Oct 18 2012, 04:59 PM:name=Techercizer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Techercizer @ Oct 18 2012, 04:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993428"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've been maxing this thing's settings at over 60 fps for years now. I don't know what you guys have been complaining about all this time; maybe I'm just blessed by the magic FPS gods.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I also have been max 60fps for awhile now .But I have a god PC so...
<!--quoteo(post=1993363:date=Oct 18 2012, 07:37 PM:name=player)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (player @ Oct 18 2012, 07:37 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993363"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's always one more build for the real improvements isn't it...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1993428:date=Oct 18 2012, 03:59 PM:name=Techercizer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Techercizer @ Oct 18 2012, 03:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993428"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've been maxing this thing's settings at over 60 fps for years now. I don't know what you guys have been complaining about all this time; maybe I'm just blessed by the magic FPS gods.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--quoteo(post=1993432:date=Oct 18 2012, 04:05 PM:name=Dictator93)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dictator93 @ Oct 18 2012, 04:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993432"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I also have been max 60fps for awhile now .But I have a god PC so...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My specs are: 2500K @ 4.5ghz ASUS P8P67 B3 8GB 1600mhz GTX670 2GB (306.97) Corsair ForceGT 128gb (NS2 is on this drive) WD Caviar Black 1TB HT Omega Claro Halo Dell U2410 (1920x1200)
I can't hold 60fps constant, especially on max settings, and neither can anyone else.
<!--quoteo(post=1993444:date=Oct 18 2012, 04:25 PM:name=SixtyWattMan)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SixtyWattMan @ Oct 18 2012, 04:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993444"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My specs are: 2500K @ 4.5ghz ASUS P8P67 B3 8GB 1600mhz GTX670 2GB (306.97) Corsair ForceGT 128gb (NS2 is on this drive) WD Caviar Black 1TB HT Omega Claro Halo Dell U2410 (1920x1200)
I can't hold 60fps constant, especially on max settings, and neither can anyone else.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think you mean *almost* anyone else. I've easily managed 60 with a 3.2 GHz i7 and a GTX 560Ti, since long before the current optimizations.
<!--quoteo(post=1993450:date=Oct 18 2012, 04:32 PM:name=Techercizer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Techercizer @ Oct 18 2012, 04:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993450"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think you mean *almost* anyone else. I've easily managed 60 with a 3.2 GHz i7 and a GTX 560Ti, since long before the current optimizations.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sure you can ATTAIN 60fps but you cannot hold that amount during a fight.
<!--quoteo(post=1993380:date=Oct 18 2012, 03:12 PM:name=ChickenOfWar)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChickenOfWar @ Oct 18 2012, 03:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993380"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->People are currently playing games like skyrim and BF3 flawlessly that are going to come to play this game and wonder why its running so slowly. Will NOT be good for release.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> ^this.
I hope they send out a tweet or mention in a blog post that people should really check out the system requirements. It's better to have a few less or delayed sales than to have disgruntled customers who would want a refund and then not check out the game later even when they upgrade their rig.
<!--quoteo(post=1993455:date=Oct 18 2012, 04:39 PM:name=SixtyWattMan)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SixtyWattMan @ Oct 18 2012, 04:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993455"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm sure you can ATTAIN 60fps but you cannot hold that amount during a fight.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes I can. When I uncap, I never drop below 80 in a fight. Don't tell my what my computer can and can't do unless you have the proof to back it up.
comparing visuals in relation to performance ....its not good. esp. nowadays, where people wanna stream ...... guess i have to get a new high end pc just in order to play+stream NS2 ..... while its the only game making problems. :D
<!--quoteo(post=1993405:date=Oct 18 2012, 10:04 PM:name=Typhon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Typhon @ Oct 18 2012, 10:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1993405"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hugh and charlie mentioned some sort of secret improvement coming in 224 that they couldn't talk about for some reason. We'll have to just wait and see.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
they actually said, that they have something, that they can't talk about and that will come with the "linuxupdate", but i really don't know, when this will be and what's this update about ... maybe the dedicated linuxserver update ... don't know it exactly
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4-5Ghz Sandy\Ivy-bridges for servers are required to sustain a measily tick-rate of 30. I knew the "performance is coming\comes last"-shtick was just to shut up people complaining about it, but even I expected more than what has been delivered on this front so far.
It's always one more build for the real improvements isn't it...
While I agree server performance isn't good enough yet, there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding of how tick rate works in NS2's spark engine. Max explained in a Q&A a while ago that the tick rate only applies to NPC objects. Players don't have a tick rate in spark the way they do in Source or Gold Source. So while the tick rate is a good metric for how much load a server it under, there isn't a direct correlation between tickrate and player update rate.
I wish they would put in some kind of metric for player update rate.
4-5Ghz Sandy\Ivy-bridges for servers are required to sustain a measily tick-rate of 30. I knew the "performance is coming\comes last"-shtick was just to shut up people complaining about it, but even I expected more than what has been delivered on this front so far.
It's always one more build for the real improvements isn't it...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The sad thing is that there is a lua performance wall. Even if they optimize the lua code perfectly, there is still the hit from all that lua running. They won't be able to get past a certain speed until they re-attemp lua-jit (unlikely) or maybe push some base classes to C++. They might be able to do some lua hacking as well to add some new features for a speedup (lua-vec, optional manual memory management, etc)
not that long ago matso said about 30% of the time was in lua proper - the rest in core engine (incl marshalling for lua). now this was before some of the more recent updates, so the % may be higher now. point being that spending resources on faster lua may not have the highest cost/benefit at this time. but agree.. would love to see as efficient lua runtime as possible tailored for this game. we know max has been doing work in this area
I pre ordered yesterday but do not have beta acces so I will be curious as to how my system does when the game does release.
Can anyone give me a guess based on how your system performs how mine could do?
Specs:
i7 2600k @ stock
8GB DDR3 2133Mhz
GTX 690 4GB Overclocked
2560x1440 27" monitor.
I'm hoping to pull 60 FPS minimum on max settings, that would make me happy. I am able to do so with games like BF3. Is this harder to run that something like that? Thanks.
16GB DDR3 2133Mhz
XFX HD 6970 2GB
1920x1080 24" 120hz monitor.
My fps regularly drops well below 60 in late game with shadows, reflections, ambient occlusion, atmospherics and bloom turned off.
When is 224 expected to drop? Are there any confirmed changes coming in that build?
really? i thought they said it was not quite ready for 224 & we'd likely see it in the near future. client side improvement. right?
rmbrown - you have more than enough horsepower for pushing pixels. killer rig. you are really only limited by server performance late game.
they say a lot of things, especially what's coming for for the patch you're not playing.
If we compared current version with what we had year or so ago, improvements no doubt. But if we start comparing it to other games, the current version is still sluggish, is the word I will go with. Once this goes live people can start comparing this game performance to other games, and first impressions of the game can be pretty big deal.
two weeks to increase client/server performance to the level other games have it? I guess in two weeks we will know.
Xen. I would relax, it will run quite ok on your machine by release. In fact, it runs quite alright on your machine right now (with some settings turned off that is).
I also have been max 60fps for awhile now .But I have a god PC so...
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My specs are:
2500K @ 4.5ghz
ASUS P8P67 B3
8GB 1600mhz
GTX670 2GB (306.97)
Corsair ForceGT 128gb (NS2 is on this drive)
WD Caviar Black 1TB
HT Omega Claro Halo
Dell U2410 (1920x1200)
I can't hold 60fps constant, especially on max settings, and neither can anyone else.
2500K @ 4.5ghz
ASUS P8P67 B3
8GB 1600mhz
GTX670 2GB (306.97)
Corsair ForceGT 128gb (NS2 is on this drive)
WD Caviar Black 1TB
HT Omega Claro Halo
Dell U2410 (1920x1200)
I can't hold 60fps constant, especially on max settings, and neither can anyone else.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think you mean *almost* anyone else. I've easily managed 60 with a 3.2 GHz i7 and a GTX 560Ti, since long before the current optimizations.
I'm sure you can ATTAIN 60fps but you cannot hold that amount during a fight.
^this.
I hope they send out a tweet or mention in a blog post that people should really check out the system requirements. It's better to have a few less or delayed sales than to have disgruntled customers who would want a refund and then not check out the game later even when they upgrade their rig.
Yes I can. When I uncap, I never drop below 80 in a fight. Don't tell my what my computer can and can't do unless you have the proof to back it up.
they actually said, that they have something, that they can't talk about and that will come with the "linuxupdate", but i really don't know, when this will be and what's this update about ...
maybe the dedicated linuxserver update ... don't know it exactly