Big time. I run everything on low though, so I can see. I sit at 100FPS until I get around infestation and stuff where I drop down to the 80's. Full combat with lots of players and it gets down in the 60s. Running at 1920x1080
No huge improvements here, maybe just some smaller ones, seems like it's still mainly my CPU that is struggling. Hopefully there's still more improvements coming, I'd really love to be able to play this maxed out, like I can other games. (Right now my fps drops to +- 30 in combat and some parts of some maps)
<!--quoteo(post=1997074:date=Oct 25 2012, 01:08 PM:name=VeNeM)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VeNeM @ Oct 25 2012, 01:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1997074"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->anyone with similar or better specs than these willing to share their avg fps?
cpu - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 8 gigs ram gtx 470 -vid card win7 1920x1080<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I actually just posted a b223 and b224 comparison in the <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=119506&st=80&start=80" target="_blank">Official Benchmarks thread</a> for AMD Phenom II X4 owners. Average FPS has increased from 33 to 38 FPS, which may sound like a small increase, but FPS has become a <i>lot</i> more stable. :)
<!--quoteo(post=1997084:date=Oct 25 2012, 12:22 PM:name=Karnaj)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Karnaj @ Oct 25 2012, 12:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1997084"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I actually just posted a b223 and b224 comparison in the <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=119506&st=80&start=80" target="_blank">Official Benchmarks thread</a> for AMD Phenom II X4 owners. Average FPS has increased from 33 to 38 FPS, which may sound like a small increase, but FPS has become a <i>lot</i> more stable. :)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> saw that,
New 310.33 Nvidia beta drivers came out in last the couple days as well, anyone installed them / seen improvements? Supposed to do great things in Kepler GPU's with most games. Played some rounds of BF3 and say some decent improvement. Supposed to help SC2 a lot as well but haven't tested first hand.
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The performance increases are rather negligible on my outdated Amd Athlon64 x2 4000+ 2.3ghz oc
Texture streaming leaves me with black boxes for half of the game and turning it off brings me back down to sub15 fps.
My performance increased nicely in the main menu and readyrooms though. About 75-55fps in main menu. 35-30fps in the ready room,25-15 fps walking around sub15 fps in combat.
I havn't done any official testing beyond 2 games but got considerable i ncreases. I have a 4.5ghz 2500k along with a overclocked 6950.
223 and previous: Started out around 60 fps and would trail to 40 fps by end game. Cpu not waiting for gpu. 224: Start out at around 90 fps and make my way down towards 60 fps. Cpu now waiting for gpu.
<!--quoteo(post=1997074:date=Oct 25 2012, 06:08 PM:name=VeNeM)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VeNeM @ Oct 25 2012, 06:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1997074"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->anyone with similar or better specs than these willing to share their avg fps?
cpu - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 8 gigs ram gtx 470 -vid card win7 1920x1080<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From reading your replies so far I can ascertain that the game is less CPU bound than it used to be, which allows GPU's to flourish once the CPU has passed a threshold. For those of you seeing little improvement, your CPU is probably below average. You should consider overclocking (OC). Pay no heed to the warnings about killing your CPU, that's negligible unless you increase voltages.
Do we have an OC help thread up somewhere? There are few CPU's and mainboard combinations that overclock easier than checking email, such as the Black Edition, -FX, and -K.
<!--quoteo(post=1997155:date=Oct 25 2012, 02:39 PM:name=IeptBarakat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IeptBarakat @ Oct 25 2012, 02:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1997155"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The performance increases are rather negligible on my outdated Amd Athlon64 x2 4000+ 2.3ghz oc
Texture streaming leaves me with black boxes for half of the game and turning it off brings me back down to sub15 fps.
My performance increased nicely in the main menu and readyrooms though. About 75-55fps in main menu. 35-30fps in the ready room,25-15 fps walking around sub15 fps in combat.
/sigh<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yea. as a datapoint - minimum cpu is about 1.5x that athlon in passmark. recommended is about 2.2x. you're due for an upgrade. can you get your OC to 2.8? i understand the x2s can go a bit higher than 2.3
Concerning my System I don't recognize any mentionable changes. Maybe it increased by 1 or 2 fps, but it could have also decreased those. I'm not sure, but im still hanging around 20-30 fps with some situations at 35 and some at 15.
My specs are the following: 2,4-GHz-Intel Core i5-2430M, 3 MB Level-3-Cache 4 GB DDR3 ram AMD Radeon HD 6770M (2 GB DDR5 dedicated) win7 1280*1024
As you can see my system is a notebook (of hp). Unfortunately graphic drivers aren't updated anymore by the manufacturer (well - which manufacturer would do that for all their notebook generations ongoing?!). Official drivers of amd are not supported for notebooks of hp, so im stuck on this (old) version now.
Does anybody have an idea how to increase performance? The notebook deals pretty good with other actual games on medium to high settings. The graphics card is pretty potent. I also think that the bottleneck for NS2 might be the processor.
<!--quoteo(post=1997223:date=Oct 25 2012, 10:50 PM:name=Silvereye89)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Silvereye89 @ Oct 25 2012, 10:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1997223"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As you can see my system is a notebook (of hp). Unfortunately graphic drivers aren't updated anymore by the manufacturer (well - which manufacturer would do that for all their notebook generations ongoing?!). Official drivers of amd are not supported for notebooks of hp, so im stuck on this (old) version now.
Does anybody have an idea how to increase performance? The notebook deals pretty good with other actual games on medium to high settings. The graphics card is pretty potent. I also think that the bottleneck for NS2 might be the processor.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm quite sure official drivers would work. Is there any reason they wouldn't? Except HP being an ass as usual. It's pretty "hilarious" they won't support 6770M, which is barely 1.5 years old. As a more general suggestion, you should probably do a clean Windows install, if you haven't, without all the HP bloatware. Not from a HP rescue disk or anything, but from a proper, clean Windows 7 image (available online). It should accept your serial key just fine as long as you install the correct version of Windows 7 (Home Premium etc).
IeptBarakatThe most difficult name to speak ingame.Join Date: 2009-07-10Member: 68107Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1997222:date=Oct 25 2012, 03:49 PM:name=extollo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (extollo @ Oct 25 2012, 03:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1997222"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->yea. as a datapoint - minimum cpu is about 1.5x that athlon in passmark. recommended is about 2.2x. you're due for an upgrade. can you get your OC to 2.8? i understand the x2s can go a bit higher than 2.3<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, I'm well aware of both the fact that my cpu is outdated and easy to oc. I'm just rather ignorant/scared in the means of overclocking. So I've been just using the 10% ai overclock my motherboard has. Also I'm still using a stock cooler so my temps could be worrisome.
Plus just to jest, the minimum specs back in 2009 were far below the current minimum specs of today.
<!--quoteo(post=1997296:date=Oct 25 2012, 05:22 PM:name=IeptBarakat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IeptBarakat @ Oct 25 2012, 05:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1997296"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Plus just to jest, the minimum specs back in 2009 were far below the current minimum specs of today.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't mention that my notebook got a switchable graphics card built in. I'm sorry. So my graphic drivers are specifically made for the notebook's 2 graphic cards (1.: intel HD graphics, 2.: amd 6770m)
@koewi: In the link u posted the following is stated: <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The following notebooks are <b>not compatible</b> with this release:
Any notebook launched after this driver release <b>Switchable Graphics enabled notebooks</b> Toshiba notebooks (please contact the notebook OEM for driver support for these notebooks) Sony VAIO notebooks (please contact the notebook OEM for driver support for these notebooks Panasonic notebooks (please contact the notebook OEM for driver support for these notebooks)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Usually the switchable graphic cards are used in the following way: While in Desktop-use, browsing etc. the intel HD is running. If a 3d program or game is launched, the amd card is activated.
I think installing the new drivers might force the amd card to run all the time - consuming more power and producing more heat (which it does in gaming mode) Since the notebook is also for my study and should run quiet and (kind of) cold while im in lectures and libraries I dont want that to happen.
Maybe I'll give it a try at the weekend.
But anyway. Again thx so far for your advices :)
PS: I dealt with this problem some time ago already in the hope of finding new drivers. I found some forums leading me to the following website of a talented person who edits the amd drivers to make them compatible to switchable graphic cards. Link: <a href="http://leshcatlabs.net/" target="_blank">http://leshcatlabs.net/</a>
Unfortunately the different versions aren't perfect and still have many bugs. The installation process is also very timeconsuming. I didn't get to try it out yet, since I thought the performance might also increase with ongoing builds of NS2. Nontheless if there is anybody out there who might be helped by the link - go ahead. I'd like to get your feedback :)
i got 2 GPUs too ... the smaller one is, instead of yours, even an AMD Video Card ... 4250HD i think ... so for me the driver works fine ... but you're right, in not trying it, if you got one of the notebooks from the mentioned companies
<!--quoteo(post=1997296:date=Oct 26 2012, 12:22 AM:name=IeptBarakat)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IeptBarakat @ Oct 26 2012, 12:22 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1997296"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes, I'm well aware of both the fact that my cpu is outdated and easy to oc. I'm just rather ignorant/scared in the means of overclocking. So I've been just using the 10% ai overclock my motherboard has. Also I'm still using a stock cooler so my temps could be worrisome.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's an AM2 CPU so depending on your board you might be able to drop in maybe even a Phenom 2 with relative ease (BIOS update). Wouldn't be as good as a Phenom 2 with a more recent motherboard, but a lot better than the Athlon X2.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Plus just to jest, the minimum specs back in 2009 were far below the current minimum specs of today.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah yes, they were legendary. Pentium 3 900MHz and 256MB RAM wasn't it? And they had them up on the page for quite long.
I used to drop to as low as 40fps in big fights, since 224 I drop to about 55. And FPS is a lot more stable, getting around 75-80 when I move around, which is good. UWE have outdone themselves.
Early game fps somewhat higher, and I don't drop into the 10s of fps nearly as much as before. I can also finally get a good 60 fps going if I go into an empty room and hug the corner while facing the wall. End game fps is still terrible though. Still get huge fps drops in combat and when entering a hive/marine base with people inside. I was on a 20 player serv earlier, 30 ticks, 45 fps, walk inside hive with fighting going on, drop down to 20. Waited for the "big" performance gains at release, pretty disappointed. Client and Server performance is still nowhere near acceptable.
<!--quoteo(post=1997550:date=Oct 26 2012, 06:11 AM:name={GGs} Chicken)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ({GGs} Chicken @ Oct 26 2012, 06:11 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1997550"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Waited for the "big" performance gains at release, pretty disappointed. Client and Server performance is still nowhere near acceptable.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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cpu - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz
8 gigs ram
gtx 470 -vid card
win7
1920x1080
Inttel core i5-2450M, GTX 570M, 1.5 gb GDDR5 abd 6 GB DDRIII
In all though, sounds like this is a big step forward for a lot of players, so good job!
cpu - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz
8 gigs ram
gtx 470 -vid card
win7
1920x1080<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I actually just posted a b223 and b224 comparison in the <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=119506&st=80&start=80" target="_blank">Official Benchmarks thread</a> for AMD Phenom II X4 owners. Average FPS has increased from 33 to 38 FPS, which may sound like a small increase, but FPS has become a <i>lot</i> more stable. :)
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/ffXAk.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />
saw that,
+1 cookie
I play on 1920x1200 with V-sync enabled // Medium textures // AA ON // AF ON
and I'm getting a solid 60 fps
I'm even able to enable Shadows at this point and still get playable framerate
i5-3470 // 1GB 6850 // 8GB // Win7 x64
Texture streaming leaves me with black boxes for half of the game and turning it off brings me back down to sub15 fps.
My performance increased nicely in the main menu and readyrooms though. About 75-55fps in main menu. 35-30fps in the ready room,25-15 fps walking around sub15 fps in combat.
/sigh
223 and previous: Started out around 60 fps and would trail to 40 fps by end game. Cpu not waiting for gpu.
224: Start out at around 90 fps and make my way down towards 60 fps. Cpu now waiting for gpu.
cpu - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz
8 gigs ram
gtx 470 -vid card
win7
1920x1080<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Got the same CPU, you should consider OCing.
Do we have an OC help thread up somewhere? There are few CPU's and mainboard combinations that overclock easier than checking email, such as the Black Edition, -FX, and -K.
Texture streaming leaves me with black boxes for half of the game and turning it off brings me back down to sub15 fps.
My performance increased nicely in the main menu and readyrooms though. About 75-55fps in main menu. 35-30fps in the ready room,25-15 fps walking around sub15 fps in combat.
/sigh<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yea. as a datapoint - minimum cpu is about 1.5x that athlon in passmark. recommended is about 2.2x. you're due for an upgrade. can you get your OC to 2.8? i understand the x2s can go a bit higher than 2.3
My specs are the following:
2,4-GHz-Intel Core i5-2430M, 3 MB Level-3-Cache
4 GB DDR3 ram
AMD Radeon HD 6770M (2 GB DDR5 dedicated)
win7
1280*1024
graphic-options: everything off/low, except multicore rendering
AMD Driver version: 8.882.2.3000
As you can see my system is a notebook (of hp). Unfortunately graphic drivers aren't updated anymore by the manufacturer (well - which manufacturer would do that for all their notebook generations ongoing?!). Official drivers of amd are not supported for notebooks of hp, so im stuck on this (old) version now.
Does anybody have an idea how to increase performance? The notebook deals pretty good with other actual games on medium to high settings. The graphics card is pretty potent.
I also think that the bottleneck for NS2 might be the processor.
greetings,
Silvereye
Does anybody have an idea how to increase performance? The notebook deals pretty good with other actual games on medium to high settings. The graphics card is pretty potent.
I also think that the bottleneck for NS2 might be the processor.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm quite sure official drivers would work. Is there any reason they wouldn't? Except HP being an ass as usual. It's pretty "hilarious" they won't support 6770M, which is barely 1.5 years old. As a more general suggestion, you should probably do a clean Windows install, if you haven't, without all the HP bloatware. Not from a HP rescue disk or anything, but from a proper, clean Windows 7 image (available online). It should accept your serial key just fine as long as you install the correct version of Windows 7 (Home Premium etc).
Disclaimer: I might be wrong about everything. :)
Yes, I'm well aware of both the fact that my cpu is outdated and easy to oc. I'm just rather ignorant/scared in the means of overclocking. So I've been just using the 10% ai overclock my motherboard has. Also I'm still using a stock cooler so my temps could be worrisome.
Plus just to jest, the minimum specs back in 2009 were far below the current minimum specs of today.
i wasnt going to bring that up :)
<a href="http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalystSoftwareSuiteVersion126ReleaseNotes.aspx" target="_blank">http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages...leaseNotes.aspx</a>
it should work ... i got a mobility 5650 HD and it does for me ...
you can also try the 12.8 version, which should run fine for you too ...
if i got improvements, i can tell you after more testing ;)
I didn't mention that my notebook got a switchable graphics card built in. I'm sorry.
So my graphic drivers are specifically made for the notebook's 2 graphic cards (1.: intel HD graphics, 2.: amd 6770m)
@koewi: In the link u posted the following is stated:
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The following notebooks are <b>not compatible</b> with this release:
Any notebook launched after this driver release
<b>Switchable Graphics enabled notebooks</b>
Toshiba notebooks (please contact the notebook OEM for driver support for these notebooks)
Sony VAIO notebooks (please contact the notebook OEM for driver support for these notebooks
Panasonic notebooks (please contact the notebook OEM for driver support for these notebooks)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Usually the switchable graphic cards are used in the following way:
While in Desktop-use, browsing etc. the intel HD is running. If a 3d program or game is launched, the amd card is activated.
I think installing the new drivers might force the amd card to run all the time - consuming more power and producing more heat (which it does in gaming mode)
Since the notebook is also for my study and should run quiet and (kind of) cold while im in lectures and libraries I dont want that to happen.
Maybe I'll give it a try at the weekend.
But anyway. Again thx so far for your advices :)
PS:
I dealt with this problem some time ago already in the hope of finding new drivers. I found some forums leading me to the following website of a talented person who edits the amd drivers to make them compatible to switchable graphic cards.
Link: <a href="http://leshcatlabs.net/" target="_blank">http://leshcatlabs.net/</a>
Unfortunately the different versions aren't perfect and still have many bugs. The installation process is also very timeconsuming. I didn't get to try it out yet, since I thought the performance might also increase with ongoing builds of NS2.
Nontheless if there is anybody out there who might be helped by the link - go ahead. I'd like to get your feedback :)
Sincerely,
Silvereye
so for me the driver works fine ... but you're right, in not trying it, if you got one of the notebooks from the mentioned companies
i have an Acer Notebook ;)
That's an AM2 CPU so depending on your board you might be able to drop in maybe even a Phenom 2 with relative ease (BIOS update). Wouldn't be as good as a Phenom 2 with a more recent motherboard, but a lot better than the Athlon X2.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Plus just to jest, the minimum specs back in 2009 were far below the current minimum specs of today.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah yes, they were legendary. Pentium 3 900MHz and 256MB RAM wasn't it? And they had them up on the page for quite long.
RAM: 8GB DDR3
GPU: Gigabyte GEFORCE GTX 670
Playing with everything on max, 1920x1080.
I used to drop to as low as 40fps in big fights, since 224 I drop to about 55. And FPS is a lot more stable, getting around 75-80 when I move around, which is good. UWE have outdone themselves.
i think i went from avarage 15 to 18-20 ...
can someone explain texture streaming?
should it be enabled for better performance, if the cpu is the bottleneck?
What CPU & GPU?