<!--quoteo(post=2035557:date=Nov 26 2012, 10:34 PM:name=Solarity)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Solarity @ Nov 26 2012, 10:34 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2035557"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I just cyber'ed monday'ed out my self.
I also broke down and got the desktop. After looking at the details and see how little I LAN I let that swade my decsision.
I spent about $800 after mail in rebates: 23" LCD w/ 2ms GTX 660 TI graphics card 8GB RAM Intel i5-3750K $30 case 630w PSU Gigabyte Z77X mobo
I will reuse my Windows license and HDD from my laptop, until I figure out what HDD to buy. As it is 20mins to midnight I needed to order stuff before I loose all the sales. 4 things got sold out from my shopping cart before I could buy it.
So in conclusion if you enjoy gaming with a friend at his house then a Laptop is better IMHO than a desktop. Though if your friend moved away and your fiance is in a masters program and not contributing to the household income, then it might make more sense to build your own machine for 1/3 less and get about 1/3 move of a system.
Thank for your input!
-Solarity<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You have done well, OP. Welcome to the Master Race.
<!--quoteo(post=2035570:date=Nov 27 2012, 03:36 PM:name=Temphage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Temphage @ Nov 27 2012, 03:36 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2035570"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Obviously the people who do nothing but pooh-pooh gaming laptops don't have jobs that move them around.
What, you think I'm going to drag my whole desktop with me to Afghanistan?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why not? There are tonnes of pictures showing that even the marines are doing it. If gaming means that much to you, you can easily fit it in a 2nd bag and pay a pittance in extra luggage fees compared to the loss of enjoyment you'd suffer by using an under-performing laptop.
Unless you're like me and using a 10 year old 21" CRT tank of a monitor lols...
<!--quoteo(post=2035574:date=Nov 27 2012, 05:12 AM:name=purephoenix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purephoenix @ Nov 27 2012, 05:12 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2035574"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Why not? There are tonnes of pictures showing that even the marines are doing it.
Unless you're like me and using a 10 year old 21" CRT tank of a monitor lols...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah there's lots of room for it in a B-hut.
Plenty of games run on even a modest gaming laptop anyway. Seeing as how the more modern games all need internet connectivity and bull###### to play, it makes plenty of sense. <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If gaming means that much to you, you can easily fit it in a 2nd bag and pay a pittance in extra luggage fees compared to the loss of enjoyment you'd suffer by using an under-performing laptop.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, tell me how much you know about this subject.
Like most things it will be a trade off. It depends what you want to get out of the games. If you want everything switched "on" then a deskop plus some serious hardware is the only way to go. If you are a "medium detail is good enough for me" then a "gaming" laptop will be sufficient - unless you want a top of the line deskop-replacement "laptop" instead.
I do a lot of travelling for my job, ironically I dont really need a laptop for my job so the one offered by work is crap. I also have kids which suck up the money (kids tend to do that quite well by asking for i7's and SSDs for christmas). My "gaming" laptop was a bargain basement Acer 5560g which looks to have pretty underwhelming specs - unless you dig deeper. The battery life is good, it has switchable crossfire GFX cards and a boosting unbelieveably overclockable CPU. Out of the box it overclocked from 1.6 to 2.73 with undervolting (no blue screens) - if I shut down core 2 and 3 then I can OC to 3ghz (the temps started to hit 80+ with 4 cores so I decided against running that permanently)
Oh and if you do intend shipping PCs about, take it from me to swap to an SSD. Even powered down laptop hard drives dont like the shaking that happens on long transits. Being an ex C130 loadmaster I can tell you now all freight is moved in a fast efficient manner, not necessarily in a <i>gentle</i> manner.
TLDR? if you are skint then an acer 5560g RUREK will play NS2 in medium quite well (if you overclock using KSTAT - read up on llano overclocking)
<!--quoteo(post=2026343:date=Nov 16 2012, 05:05 PM:name=Solarity)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Solarity @ Nov 16 2012, 05:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2026343"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My 3 year old system is okay on the lowest settings so long as there is not much action: Intel Core Duo 2.53ghz 6GB Ram Nvidia GTX 260M - 1GB
Any suggestions on a good laptop, not really interested in going back to a desktop. Prefer sub $1k, though the lower the better. Just for gaming nothing else.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> what kind of games do you play? lower-end games or some higher end games?
<!--quoteo(post=2035576:date=Nov 26 2012, 10:17 PM:name=Temphage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Temphage @ Nov 26 2012, 10:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2035576"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah there's lots of room for it in a B-hut.
Plenty of games run on even a modest gaming laptop anyway. Seeing as how the more modern games all need internet connectivity and bull###### to play, it makes plenty of sense.
Yes, tell me how much you know about this subject.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry I'm in the navy and I have to call BS on not being able to get a desktop to Afghanistan, seen plenty of corpsman do it and many from my previous rating used to set up the LANs in Saddam's old palace and I've heard a lot from them as well on the subject.
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You can most certainly get a decent gaming laptop these days. Its just like any other electronic device where you have to either sacrifice power or pay more for mobility when compared to a desktop. My android phone has terrible computing power compared to my desktop, but I can't fit my desktop into my pocket.
Check out <a href="http://gaminglaptop1000.com/best-cheap-gaming-laptops-under-500-dollars/" target="_blank">here</a>, some decent gaming laptop at the most attractive price
<!--quoteo(post=2038652:date=Dec 1 2012, 08:47 PM:name=ScardyBob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ScardyBob @ Dec 1 2012, 08:47 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2038652"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You can most certainly get a decent gaming laptop these days. Its just like any other electronic device where you have to either sacrifice power or pay more for mobility when compared to a desktop. My android phone has terrible computing power compared to my desktop, but I can't fit my desktop into my pocket.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nobody seems to be getting that aspect. Apparently, if you own a "gaming laptop" you own a laughable fallacy that doesn't exist. There isn't a game out there I can't run at good settings (other than NS2, which is a rather.... niche example, truth be told). Pretending/assuming I somehow don't get my own personal (again: read personal, not someone elses, but mine) enjoyment and positive experience from gaming on a laptop is arrogant and naive. Owning a gaming laptop doesn't make you a clueless gibbon.
It's a trade-off. The arguing over taking a desktop to Afghanistan... that's laughable. Of course you can. You can... also take a laptop. There is no pretending that isn't easier.
Know what I'm doing right now? I'm in a kitchen, eat breakfast. In 45 seconds, I'm going to finish this post in my car and in a couple minutes, I'll edit it from my couch. Any one of these locations I could load up a game and play if I felt inclined (the car may be a crappy experience though.)
No desktop has that mobility, just like no laptop has the max performance/upgrade-ability of a desktop. It's a pointless argument, it comes down to <b>personal</b> preferences.
Something that seems to be frequently forgotten by those offering "advice".
Edit; Don't tell me what i'm "forgetting". 20 fps is unplayable. Fact. So we gave the advice that mattered. None of us forgot a damn thing in the whole desktop vs laptop argument and the below, is proof;
Hope you realise, the performance decrease to bugs isn't' actually that much. Endgame i drop to 30-40 fps in intense combat instead of getting say, 40-50.
The requirements of this game are high because the engine has to handle much more than you think. Those spreading textures for the infestation? Never been done before, requires a tonne of resources. The 3D style infestation? Again, never been done before, thousands of entities, requires 10 tonnes of resources.
I could keep going, but i think you get the point.
This game does not under-perform. There are some performance bugs yes but to say it shouldn't require a 4ghtz 4-8 core processor and 500-600 series nvidia or 6000-7000 AMD/ATI card just shows your naivety.
This game engine does <u>alot </u>that nothing else has done before AND does it well.
So thinking there is a gaming laptop that will run this really does make you <u>retarded.</u> There is not a laptop on the market that you can overclock to 4-5ghtz without overheating and frying it. Fact. It's so much of a fact, in fact, that laptops specifically disable manual overclocking or cap it at 3.8-4ghtz deliberately to stop you from turning it into a chunk of melted plastic.
If you think i'm BS'ing yuo, go look at intels' CPU list. There's not a single one of them currently available in a laptop that has a 4ghtz turbo. Max is 3.8 and that's even on desktops.
<!--quoteo(post=2038728:date=Dec 2 2012, 04:37 AM:name=Omar - The Wire)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Omar - The Wire @ Dec 2 2012, 04:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2038728"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Nobody seems to be getting that aspect. Apparently, if you own a "gaming laptop" you own a laughable fallacy that doesn't exist. There isn't a game out there I can't run at good settings (other than NS2, which is a rather.... niche example, truth be told). Pretending/assuming I somehow don't get my own personal (again: read personal, not someone elses, but mine) enjoyment and positive experience from gaming on a laptop is arrogant and naive. Owning a gaming laptop doesn't make you a clueless gibbon.
It's a trade-off. The arguing over taking a desktop to Afghanistan... that's laughable. Of course you can. You can... also take a laptop. There is no pretending that isn't easier.
Know what I'm doing right now? I'm in a kitchen, eat breakfast. In 45 seconds, I'm going to finish this post in my car and in a couple minutes, I'll edit it from my couch. Any one of these locations I could load up a game and play if I felt inclined (the car may be a crappy experience though.)
No desktop has that mobility, just like no laptop has the max performance/upgrade-ability of a desktop. It's a pointless argument, it comes down to <b>personal</b> preferences.
Something that seems to be frequently forgotten by those offering "advice".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No one cares how you start your morning or how sad it makes you when you realize that gaming laptops are a laughable fallacy as you put it. PC gaming isn't as simple as just spending a lot of money on something. Too put it bluntly.
I gave you a viable cheap alternative that plays NS2 at native 1300x700 "something" at 40fps throughout. I see people with i7's on here that cannot do that. It plays my other games just fine too (D3, TF2, SotS 2, tropic 4 etc) I know it isn't a fallacy. Sure it isn't as fast as my desktop but it cost me less than £400. People spend that on a CPU.
<!--quoteo(post=2038747:date=Dec 2 2012, 04:57 AM:name=purephoenix)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purephoenix @ Dec 2 2012, 04:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2038747"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->A bunch of excessively hostile, insulting dribble about things no one said.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not sure why you're so mad. I'll point out a couple things:
1. Calm down. You're acting like an irate child because I have an opposite opinion. All I said was people are giving obviously prejudicial advice, without taking in the concerns of the person asking for the advice. He asked for advice on a gaming laptop. Advice to spend the money in a similar fashion for better result elsewhere is probably welcome. Multiple people acting as if his decision is that of an idiot because he had a specific criteria in mind.. Egotistical.
2. Thank god this isn't the only game people play. When making a purchase you have to consider many deciding factors. In the realm of "playing video games currently released" there are plenty of laptops to do just that very well. They're just out of his price range.
3. I never said there is a laptop that could run NS2 as well as a desktop. Actually, I never even approached that subject. I have no idea if there are or are not. I did say that other than NS2, a game with major optimization issues, there isn't anything I can't run fantastically. I run NS2 just fine, I just feel the performance should be much better that what I get, all things considered.
4. You're arguing against NS2 optimization issues, saying the game should require well built, robust custom system to run properly? Ok. Sure. UWE has admitted optimization problems themselves.
<!--quoteo(post=2038789:date=Dec 2 2012, 06:29 AM:name=Davil)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Davil @ Dec 2 2012, 06:29 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2038789"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No one cares how you start your morning or how sad it makes you when you realize that gaming laptops are a laughable fallacy as you put it. PC gaming isn't as simple as just spending a lot of money on something. Too put it bluntly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I pretty much dismissed you, last time, as incapable of grasping the most basic concepts of a conversation. I'm glad to see you're continuing the trend.
I never said it was the simple, I never said you just spent a lot of money. I did say you'd spend more for any kind of decent performance for the sake of mobility... which is a personal decision left to the end consumer. If I can play Crysis 2 perfectly, instant mobility is desired and money isn't my concern.... a gaming laptop is clearly the choice for me. To pretend someone seeking to find a gaming option that fits that specific criteria is an idiot... that's arrogant. Then again, that's the kind of condescending attitude you've blindly displayed at every turn.
<!--coloro:#FFA500--><span style="color:#FFA500"><!--/coloro-->*snip* phoenix, I think you need to learn to rage less. - Mouse<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
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I also broke down and got the desktop. After looking at the details and see how little I LAN I let that swade my decsision.
I spent about $800 after mail in rebates:
23" LCD w/ 2ms
GTX 660 TI graphics card
8GB RAM
Intel i5-3750K
$30 case
630w PSU
Gigabyte Z77X mobo
I will reuse my Windows license and HDD from my laptop, until I figure out what HDD to buy. As it is 20mins to midnight I needed to order stuff before I loose all the sales. 4 things got sold out from my shopping cart before I could buy it.
So in conclusion if you enjoy gaming with a friend at his house then a Laptop is better IMHO than a desktop. Though if your friend moved away and your fiance is in a masters program and not contributing to the household income, then it might make more sense to build your own machine for 1/3 less and get about 1/3 move of a system.
Thank for your input!
-Solarity<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You have done well, OP. Welcome to the Master Race.
<a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=125274" target="_blank">Embrace the glory.</a>
What, you think I'm going to drag my whole desktop with me to Afghanistan?
<a href="http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/pc-gaming-master-race" target="_blank">http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/pc-gaming-master-race</a>
What, you think I'm going to drag my whole desktop with me to Afghanistan?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why not? There are tonnes of pictures showing that even the marines are doing it.
If gaming means that much to you, you can easily fit it in a 2nd bag and pay a pittance in extra luggage fees compared to the loss of enjoyment you'd suffer by using an under-performing laptop.
Unless you're like me and using a 10 year old 21" CRT tank of a monitor lols...
Unless you're like me and using a 10 year old 21" CRT tank of a monitor lols...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah there's lots of room for it in a B-hut.
Plenty of games run on even a modest gaming laptop anyway. Seeing as how the more modern games all need internet connectivity and bull###### to play, it makes plenty of sense.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If gaming means that much to you, you can easily fit it in a 2nd bag and pay a pittance in extra luggage fees compared to the loss of enjoyment you'd suffer by using an under-performing laptop.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, tell me how much you know about this subject.
I do a lot of travelling for my job, ironically I dont really need a laptop for my job so the one offered by work is crap. I also have kids which suck up the money (kids tend to do that quite well by asking for i7's and SSDs for christmas). My "gaming" laptop was a bargain basement Acer 5560g which looks to have pretty underwhelming specs - unless you dig deeper. The battery life is good, it has switchable crossfire GFX cards and a boosting unbelieveably overclockable CPU. Out of the box it overclocked from 1.6 to 2.73 with undervolting (no blue screens) - if I shut down core 2 and 3 then I can OC to 3ghz (the temps started to hit 80+ with 4 cores so I decided against running that permanently)
Oh and if you do intend shipping PCs about, take it from me to swap to an SSD. Even powered down laptop hard drives dont like the shaking that happens on long transits. Being an ex C130 loadmaster I can tell you now all freight is moved in a fast efficient manner, not necessarily in a <i>gentle</i> manner.
TLDR? if you are skint then an acer 5560g RUREK will play NS2 in medium quite well (if you overclock using KSTAT - read up on llano overclocking)
Intel Core Duo 2.53ghz
6GB Ram
Nvidia GTX 260M - 1GB
Any suggestions on a good laptop, not really interested in going back to a desktop. Prefer sub $1k, though the lower the better. Just for gaming nothing else.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
what kind of games do you play? lower-end games or some higher end games?
Plenty of games run on even a modest gaming laptop anyway. Seeing as how the more modern games all need internet connectivity and bull###### to play, it makes plenty of sense.
Yes, tell me how much you know about this subject.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry I'm in the navy and I have to call BS on not being able to get a desktop to Afghanistan, seen plenty of corpsman do it and many from my previous rating used to set up the LANs in Saddam's old palace and I've heard a lot from them as well on the subject.
Nobody seems to be getting that aspect. Apparently, if you own a "gaming laptop" you own a laughable fallacy that doesn't exist. There isn't a game out there I can't run at good settings (other than NS2, which is a rather.... niche example, truth be told). Pretending/assuming I somehow don't get my own personal (again: read personal, not someone elses, but mine) enjoyment and positive experience from gaming on a laptop is arrogant and naive. Owning a gaming laptop doesn't make you a clueless gibbon.
It's a trade-off. The arguing over taking a desktop to Afghanistan... that's laughable. Of course you can. You can... also take a laptop. There is no pretending that isn't easier.
Know what I'm doing right now? I'm in a kitchen, eat breakfast. In 45 seconds, I'm going to finish this post in my car and in a couple minutes, I'll edit it from my couch. Any one of these locations I could load up a game and play if I felt inclined (the car may be a crappy experience though.)
No desktop has that mobility, just like no laptop has the max performance/upgrade-ability of a desktop. It's a pointless argument, it comes down to <b>personal</b> preferences.
Something that seems to be frequently forgotten by those offering "advice".
Or rich, whatever.
Hope you realise, the performance decrease to bugs isn't' actually that much.
Endgame i drop to 30-40 fps in intense combat instead of getting say, 40-50.
The requirements of this game are high because the engine has to handle much more than you think.
Those spreading textures for the infestation? Never been done before, requires a tonne of resources.
The 3D style infestation? Again, never been done before, thousands of entities, requires 10 tonnes of resources.
I could keep going, but i think you get the point.
This game does not under-perform. There are some performance bugs yes but to say it shouldn't require a 4ghtz 4-8 core processor and 500-600 series nvidia or 6000-7000 AMD/ATI card just shows your naivety.
This game engine does <u>alot </u>that nothing else has done before AND does it well.
So thinking there is a gaming laptop that will run this really does make you <u>retarded.</u>
There is not a laptop on the market that you can overclock to 4-5ghtz without overheating and frying it. Fact.
It's so much of a fact, in fact, that laptops specifically disable manual overclocking or cap it at 3.8-4ghtz deliberately to stop you from turning it into a chunk of melted plastic.
If you think i'm BS'ing yuo, go look at intels' CPU list. There's not a single one of them currently available in a laptop that has a 4ghtz turbo. Max is 3.8 and that's even on desktops.
It's a trade-off. The arguing over taking a desktop to Afghanistan... that's laughable. Of course you can. You can... also take a laptop. There is no pretending that isn't easier.
Know what I'm doing right now? I'm in a kitchen, eat breakfast. In 45 seconds, I'm going to finish this post in my car and in a couple minutes, I'll edit it from my couch. Any one of these locations I could load up a game and play if I felt inclined (the car may be a crappy experience though.)
No desktop has that mobility, just like no laptop has the max performance/upgrade-ability of a desktop. It's a pointless argument, it comes down to <b>personal</b> preferences.
Something that seems to be frequently forgotten by those offering "advice".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No one cares how you start your morning or how sad it makes you when you realize that gaming laptops are a laughable fallacy as you put it. PC gaming isn't as simple as just spending a lot of money on something. Too put it bluntly.
<img src="http://an.davidsirritation.com/gamingpc.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
I gave you a viable cheap alternative that plays NS2 at native 1300x700 "something" at 40fps throughout. I see people with i7's on here that cannot do that. It plays my other games just fine too (D3, TF2, SotS 2, tropic 4 etc) I know it isn't a fallacy. Sure it isn't as fast as my desktop but it cost me less than £400. People spend that on a CPU.
Not sure why you're so mad. I'll point out a couple things:
1. Calm down. You're acting like an irate child because I have an opposite opinion. All I said was people are giving obviously prejudicial advice, without taking in the concerns of the person asking for the advice. He asked for advice on a gaming laptop. Advice to spend the money in a similar fashion for better result elsewhere is probably welcome. Multiple people acting as if his decision is that of an idiot because he had a specific criteria in mind.. Egotistical.
2. Thank god this isn't the only game people play. When making a purchase you have to consider many deciding factors. In the realm of "playing video games currently released" there are plenty of laptops to do just that very well. They're just out of his price range.
3. I never said there is a laptop that could run NS2 as well as a desktop. Actually, I never even approached that subject. I have no idea if there are or are not. I did say that other than NS2, a game with major optimization issues, there isn't anything I can't run fantastically. I run NS2 just fine, I just feel the performance should be much better that what I get, all things considered.
4. You're arguing against NS2 optimization issues, saying the game should require well built, robust custom system to run properly? Ok. Sure. UWE has admitted optimization problems themselves.
<!--quoteo(post=2038789:date=Dec 2 2012, 06:29 AM:name=Davil)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Davil @ Dec 2 2012, 06:29 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2038789"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No one cares how you start your morning or how sad it makes you when you realize that gaming laptops are a laughable fallacy as you put it. PC gaming isn't as simple as just spending a lot of money on something. Too put it bluntly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I pretty much dismissed you, last time, as incapable of grasping the most basic concepts of a conversation. I'm glad to see you're continuing the trend.
I never said it was the simple, I never said you just spent a lot of money. I did say you'd spend more for any kind of decent performance for the sake of mobility... which is a personal decision left to the end consumer. If I can play Crysis 2 perfectly, instant mobility is desired and money isn't my concern.... a gaming laptop is clearly the choice for me. To pretend someone seeking to find a gaming option that fits that specific criteria is an idiot... that's arrogant. Then again, that's the kind of condescending attitude you've blindly displayed at every turn.
phoenix, I think you need to learn to rage less.
- Mouse<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
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