<!--quoteo(post=2042452:date=Dec 9 2012, 11:37 AM:name=Champlo0)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Champlo0 @ Dec 9 2012, 11:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2042452"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Calling someone arrogant because they're realistic is just insecure babbling.
Even in Japan and China they learn (or from what I understand are supposed to try to learn) English.
Just because you're french doesn't force you to speak french. It's not like someone is saying HURNNNN FRENCH IS ATROCIOUS - no people are just asking to understand you. It helps people working together, because inevitably someone isn't going to understand someone else. If some French player joined an American server and I knew how to speak French, I'd help him understand to the best I could.
In tandem, the OP, and me are just saying to provide multilanguage instructions if possible. No one is telling you not to speak French, Spanish, Chinese, Greek, or whatever language you're using.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> How successful were you learning a foreign language in high school? How successful were most of the kids in your class? Anyone reach fluency? Chinese school is hard, but it's only moderately more successful than American school.
<!--quoteo(post=2042629:date=Dec 9 2012, 06:48 PM:name=xxswatelitexx)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xxswatelitexx @ Dec 9 2012, 06:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2042629"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That isn't just a book. Thats the Official CIA government Website. But wait I still havent seen you showing any references putting "English Ahead." Lets see a reliable reference since obviously there must be one, if your so adamant right?
Just to rub it in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_langu...native_speakers</a> [14% Mandarin 5.6% English] <a href="http://www.photius.com/rankings/languages2.html" target="_blank">http://www.photius.com/rankings/languages2.html</a> <a href="http://exploredia.com/most-spoken-languages-in-the-world-2011/" target="_blank">http://exploredia.com/most-spoken-language...the-world-2011/</a> <a href="http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/turner/languages.htm" target="_blank">http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/turner/languages.htm</a> <a href="http://geography.about.com/od/culturalgeography/a/10languages.htm" target="_blank">http://geography.about.com/od/culturalgeog...10languages.htm</a>
and list goes on and on and on.
The only list that puts English ahead is the one in your head. Time to get a reality check<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The dispute in this case is that "Native speakers" are not global speakers.
In Germany there's a pretty high rate of English fluency, but very few of those speakers are native. A native speaker is someone who learns a given language as their first language.
This is the page you're looking for, which actually mirrors some of the estimates nailertn is referencing. (granted he's referencing probably the most biased estimate) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_langu...ber_of_speakers</a>
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Even in Japan and China they learn (or from what I understand are supposed to try to learn) English.
Just because you're french doesn't force you to speak french. It's not like someone is saying HURNNNN FRENCH IS ATROCIOUS - no people are just asking to understand you. It helps people working together, because inevitably someone isn't going to understand someone else. If some French player joined an American server and I knew how to speak French, I'd help him understand to the best I could.
In tandem, the OP, and me are just saying to provide multilanguage instructions if possible. No one is telling you not to speak French, Spanish, Chinese, Greek, or whatever language you're using.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How successful were you learning a foreign language in high school? How successful were most of the kids in your class? Anyone reach fluency? Chinese school is hard, but it's only moderately more successful than American school.
But wait I still havent seen you showing any references putting "English Ahead."
Lets see a reliable reference since obviously there must be one, if your so adamant right?
Just to rub it in
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_langu...native_speakers</a> [14% Mandarin 5.6% English]
<a href="http://www.photius.com/rankings/languages2.html" target="_blank">http://www.photius.com/rankings/languages2.html</a>
<a href="http://exploredia.com/most-spoken-languages-in-the-world-2011/" target="_blank">http://exploredia.com/most-spoken-language...the-world-2011/</a>
<a href="http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/turner/languages.htm" target="_blank">http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/turner/languages.htm</a>
<a href="http://geography.about.com/od/culturalgeography/a/10languages.htm" target="_blank">http://geography.about.com/od/culturalgeog...10languages.htm</a>
and list goes on and on and on.
The only list that puts English ahead is the one in your head. Time to get a reality check<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The dispute in this case is that "Native speakers" are not global speakers.
In Germany there's a pretty high rate of English fluency, but very few of those speakers are native. A native speaker is someone who learns a given language as their first language.
This is the page you're looking for, which actually mirrors some of the estimates nailertn is referencing. (granted he's referencing probably the most biased estimate)
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_langu...ber_of_speakers</a>