I've been banned from three servers since launch. Two of them with no explanation or warning and one for stacking myself apparently. I play a lot of NS2 and if you tell me you've seen 10+ hackers since launch, I can tell you most or all of those players were not hacking.
<!--quoteo(post=2046467:date=Dec 16 2012, 10:58 AM:name=JAMESEARLJONOS)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMESEARLJONOS @ Dec 16 2012, 10:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046467"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What ended up getting me banned? Shooting a drifter, and hitting a skulk in the process. Immediately accused of DLL injecting, and banned from the server.
Pretty hilarious. Especially since camo makes people 100% invisible to begin with, meaning that a DLL inject style hack wouldn't do anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not defending anyone, nor taking issue with anyone regarding hacking, but WTF does that mean?
More and more im hearing people throw around stupid buzzwords seemingly to sound pro, like "vector aimbot" or "dll hack", like seriously if you dont know what you're talking about, please dont try to sound technical. One can just as easily inject code into a process without using a DLL as with, and what the hell do you mean "dll inject style hack wouldnt do anything", if you can inject code into a process and get it executed you can do what the hell you like.
<!--quoteo(post=2046572:date=Dec 16 2012, 02:37 AM:name=fiveseven)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fiveseven @ Dec 16 2012, 02:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046572"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm not defending anyone, nor taking issue with anyone regarding hacking, but WTF does that mean?
More and more im hearing people throw around stupid buzzwords seemingly to sound pro, like "vector aimbot" or "dll hack", like seriously if you dont know what you're talking about, please dont try to sound technical. One can just as easily inject code into a process without using a DLL as with, and what the hell do you mean "dll inject style hack wouldnt do anything", if you can inject code into a process and get it executed you can do what the hell you like.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's suggesting that the client doesn't have the data on where 100% invisible aliens are. It does.
Every single MP shooter will have some hackers, some games more than others, but for every shooter I've played the problem has always been vastly overrated to the point people will start accusing others just because their score is better than average.
Honestly, the witch hunts, raging and accusations damage the community far more than the few hackers that are out there. So please give it a rest.
<!--quoteo(post=2045920:date=Dec 15 2012, 07:30 AM:name=Dwavenhobble)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dwavenhobble @ Dec 15 2012, 07:30 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2045920"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Other ways to check are if you have cloak hide in a stupid spot, obviously exposed but still and cloaked if they walk in and shoot you right away while you're cloaked then something is up.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have seen a player do that a few times. I played a few rounds on the same server as him both with and against. Every single game with out fail he would get accused of being able to see cloaked aliens by over half the other team. He said it was because his flash light was on.
<!--quoteo(post=2046297:date=Dec 15 2012, 02:30 PM:name=Kouji_San)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kouji_San @ Dec 15 2012, 02:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046297"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is using Sennheiser headphones cheating, cause I know about stuff around the corner and can fairly accurately pinpoint the location. Even with Spark's weird audio positional system... Which in turn might look like wallhacking, I've been accused of that quite a fair amount of times. Especially when combining it with predicting other players patterns when they are being a bit too obvious...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah surround headphones have actually (surprisingly) been a pretty huge deal for me in NS2. I mean, NS2 is the first game I've actually used them in, but coming from NS2's lousy stereo implementation (where sounds felt extremely inaccurate) it was a big advantage. In other shooters with stereo I'd be able to pinpoint players behind walls pretty accurately, but somehow in NS2 stereo is really unreliable and indistinct at letting you know the enemy's location.
I use AKG 701s headphones with the Xonar Essence ST sound card. You can still hear skulks when they are walking or when they are even cloaked and walking, I'm surprised this was never patched, it's a pretty huge bug. I've actually been able to shoot sneaking skulks just from this sound, been called out for hacking as well. The sound is usually accurate enough to know exactly which spot they are in when behind a wall, sometimes. Oddly enough the sounds somehow desync or something and can not come from the correct direction.
<!--quoteo(post=2046587:date=Dec 16 2012, 11:00 AM:name=Neoken)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Neoken @ Dec 16 2012, 11:00 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046587"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Every single MP shooter will have some hackers, some games more than others, but for every shooter I've played the problem has always been vastly overrated to the point people will start accusing others just because their score is better than average.
Honestly, the witch hunts, raging and accusations damage the community far more than the few hackers that are out there. So please give it a rest.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Number of hackers I've seen on NS 2 = 3 (4 if you include the guy who climbed out the map and was invulnerable but could still fire into the map and damage people) Number of hackers of which I saw banned by admin on my first day on APB = 5
I don't think that's bad considering I've been playing NS2 over a week now and put in quite a bit of time while APB I ran into that many on my first time.
Heck I've run into more people hacking on smite than NS2 so far 7
<!--quoteo(post=2046591:date=Dec 16 2012, 11:31 AM:name=Seahunts)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Seahunts @ Dec 16 2012, 11:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046591"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have seen a player do that a few times. I played a few rounds on the same server as him both with and against. Every single game with out fail he would get accused of being able to see cloaked aliens by over half the other team. He said it was because his flash light was on.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That doesn't make a huge amount of sense as Aliens cloaked cast no shadows so the light pretty much just goes through them, or should at least.
<!--quoteo(post=2046617:date=Dec 16 2012, 01:06 PM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Dec 16 2012, 01:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046617"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I use AKG 701s headphones with the Xonar Essence ST sound card. You can still hear skulks when they are walking or when they are even cloaked and walking, I'm surprised this was never patched, it's a pretty huge bug. I've actually been able to shoot sneaking skulks just from this sound, been called out for hacking as well. The sound is usually accurate enough to know exactly which spot they are in when behind a wall, sometimes. Oddly enough the sounds somehow desync or something and can not come from the correct direction.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually I believe if you sneak walk while cloaked you don't make a noise, its possibly intended as Silence is the only way to get what's considered in the state of normal movement speed to be silent movement. So while Camo is slower you do still make some noise walking at what for camo is normal speed.
You're just bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you've heard the stories from the initial Gears of war tournaments the question is "what's the difference between them ?"
<!--quoteo(post=2046562:date=Dec 15 2012, 11:35 PM:name=Virsoul)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Virsoul @ Dec 15 2012, 11:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046562"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've been banned from three servers since launch. Two of them with no explanation or warning and one for stacking myself apparently. I play a lot of NS2 and if you tell me you've seen 10+ hackers since launch, I can tell you most or all of those players were not hacking.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
^ That exactly.
The hack accusations almost always come from when someone is playing alien against marine. Skulks dying repeatedly as they charge you from easy to shoot angles, skulks dying when they camp in commonly checked spots. Even stuff as simple as going through the veil overlook vent can get hackusations if you already have a good k/d.
Players that call other players cheater are most often: - straight ground walking skulks - no shadowstep+jump fades - gliding only lerks - running, flying, leaping or blinking/shadowstepping straight into your crosshair aliens - running into a hiding place making noise like an onos - noisy in general - lerks sticking to a wall or ceiling spiking and waiting to get shot
Those players are most likely playing alien and accusing a marine of cheating. Never saw an alien player accused of cheating. Maybe because u can allways shoot a skulk from distance and when u fail while the skulk is closing in, its clearly your fault or (what i like the most) bad hitreg .
Start playing smart and u will suddenly notice, that all the cheaters will vanish.
I have seen one person who I honestly beleive was hacking, one person who I suspect but still had my doubts, and like 50 folks who were acuised of hacking and most definatly were not. Myself included (acused of wall hacking, aparently hanging around in scaner range or standing still in the middle of a hallway that attaches to the vent you just rand through are perfectly aceptable ways to be stealthy), which is hilarous because I am not that good at NS2. In most FPS I am a team carrying force of nature, but NS2 is not one of them. I tend to max out at tacticaly aware but mediocre in NS2. Seriously marines, pay atention to your minimap, it can often show you were skulks are hiding.
<!--coloro:orange--><span style="color:orange"><!--/coloro-->*SNIP*<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> was a well known NS1 hacker. He even got found out from ENSL. He will do the same in NS2.
And he's allowed in competitive NS2? Shame on you.
<!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Please refrain from accusing people publicly on the forums... -Kouji San<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
I've banned one person who I was personally sure of wallhacking, and another couple just due to complaints from other solid players who never cause me any trouble on my server and I enjoy having them there. I probably spend more time telling people to shut up with hack accusations then I do actually banning hackers.
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<!--quoteo(post=2046685:date=Dec 16 2012, 04:14 PM:name=runner)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (runner @ Dec 16 2012, 04:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046685"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->bs<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> A wild IDIOT appeared!
SMARTGUY used LITERACY!
<!--QuoteBegin-jiriki (owner of ENSL)+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jiriki (owner of ENSL))</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Again you cannot blame <!--coloro:orange--><span style="color:orange"><!--/coloro-->*SNIP*<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> because he got permission from b1 (head admin at the time) seasons ago.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's super effective!
It's super effective!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> In fairness this is a little of column A and a little of column B.
It wasn't wrong for him to do it as such.
However it wasn't exactly right by the sounds of it to do it really considering other players weren't told this was allowed in the rules. They merely took it as standard they they had to play with only settings available by default in the game or by their hardware without adjustment / modification.
Basically its a grey area such as the lack of a rule in Football (soccer for the US) saying "you can't bring a trained Kestrel onto the field to grab the ball and carry it into the enemy goal" its kind of an assumed rule (Oddly there is a written rule in football stating if the ball deflects of a bird it is allowed though)
<!--quoteo(post=2046698:date=Dec 16 2012, 05:20 PM:name=Dwavenhobble)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dwavenhobble @ Dec 16 2012, 05:20 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046698"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Basically its a grey area such as the lack of a rule in Football (soccer for the US) saying "you can't bring a trained Kestrel onto the field to grab the ball and carry it into the enemy goal" its kind of an assumed rule (Oddly there is a written rule in football stating if the ball deflects of a bird it is allowed though)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Like this? <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/oct/17/darren-bent-balloon-sunderland-liverpool" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/20...rland-liverpool</a>
It's widely accepted and <!--coloro:orange--><span style="color:orange"><!--/coloro-->*SNIP*<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> was banned from the last surviving NS1 servers for cheating, which is also known as an unfair advantage and going out of the bounds of the norm. Cheat.
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<!--quoteo(post=2046698:date=Dec 16 2012, 05:20 PM:name=Dwavenhobble)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dwavenhobble @ Dec 16 2012, 05:20 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046698"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Basically its a grey area<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, it is not a grey area and your example doesn't fit the situation at all because you don't know anything about what transpired in this particular case Yet another poster talking out of his ass. The norm in NS1 competitive play at the time was that you could use any game file modification/cvar that didn't conflict with mp_blockscripts 1, and that wasn't specifically banned in the rules. That particular cvar was not banned in the rules and <!--coloro:orange--><span style="color:orange"><!--/coloro-->*SNIP*<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> even asked the head admin if it was legit to use, which the head admin confirmed that it was.
You can disagree with the tournament allowing such a cvar to be used, but you can't blame the players for the failures of the tournament organizer. If the head admin specifially says that a certain modification is legal to use, and there is nothing in the rules to say otherwise, then that is that.
<!--quoteo(post=2046700:date=Dec 16 2012, 05:21 PM:name=runner)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (runner @ Dec 16 2012, 05:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046700"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's widely accepted and <!--coloro:orange--><span style="color:orange"><!--/coloro-->*SNIP*<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> was banned from the last surviving NS1 servers for cheating, which is also known as an unfair advantage and going out of the bounds of the norm. Cheat.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, this is a lie.
Are you going to keep wasting our time with this bull###### or are you done now? You are the worst kind of poster.
It's widely accepted and <!--coloro:orange--><span style="color:orange"><!--/coloro-->*SNIP*<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> was banned from the last surviving NS1 servers for cheating, which is also known as an unfair advantage and going out of the bounds of the norm. Cheat.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Fair enough then I can see why he would be banned for that its almost the equivalent of the old school wall hacks on some old games people used to do by changing the texture files for the walls to be just dotted lines and the rest being transparent . Also oddly there was a case of a goal deflecting off a bird which was allowed to stand for some reason as birds are in the rules of football (ancient rules but still).
<!--quoteo(post=2046701:date=Dec 16 2012, 04:23 PM:name=fanatic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fanatic @ Dec 16 2012, 04:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046701"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You can't blame the players for the failures of the tournament organizer. If the head admin specifially says that a certain modification is legal to use, and there is nothing in the rules to say otherwise, then that is that.
No, this is a lie.
Are you going to keep wasting our time with this bull###### or are you done now? You are the worst kind of poster.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Again a little of column A a little of column B. The organiser should have pointed out this was ok when it go brought up and made others aware. To just say OK and not make people aware is a problem but part of that is on the participant to make sure everyone is aware its fine and to only use it if it is known to people that its allowed. If its not in the rules it doesn't mean its right to use it. If its in the rules saying its allowed / how its allowed then its fine.
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<!--quoteo(post=2046704:date=Dec 16 2012, 05:27 PM:name=Dwavenhobble)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dwavenhobble @ Dec 16 2012, 05:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046704"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->but part of that is on the participant to make sure everyone is aware its fine and to only use it if it is known to people that its allowed.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is LITERALLY the most retarded thing I have ever read.
<!--quoteo(post=2046392:date=Dec 15 2012, 03:52 PM:name=Omar - The Wire)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Omar - The Wire @ Dec 15 2012, 03:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046392"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Got it. So we should get rid of the new players going 0 - 17 as they're bringing the average down.
There isn't an eyeroll hard enough to express how stupid of a position that is to take.
I'll resort to the perfectly cast Liz Lemon to try and express it.
It's the same as why games have matchmaking. If you're going 50-1 in a server, the opponents clearly can not giving you a challenge. That's not fun for any of the other players. At all.
The game SMNC died due to this. Of the 1500-3000 player population (not concurrent) there were only 10-15 actual good players. One group from NA, another from Europe. The game didn't have matchmaking at the time so we were put up against brand new players who didn't have a chance, thus ruining their SMNC experience and promptly quitting the already dead game. The total amount of match lost between us (unless the Euros ######ed up somewhere) was 0 over a span of <i>months</i>.
<!--quoteo(post=2046713:date=Dec 16 2012, 05:39 PM:name=fanatic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fanatic @ Dec 16 2012, 05:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046713"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'd be interested in hearing your motives for coming into this thread and spreading lies and misinformation.
Are you a troll or just an ######? Both I guess!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nice edit of your earlier post about an hour after you make it, nice.
Motives? "Are people hacking? Or just that good?". I answered the forum title, with evidence to back it up. You're just pissed it's your friend on the receiving end of it, once again, year after year he gets it. I just thought new NS2 players should know. Problem? Again, it's because your friend is a cheat.
So go edit your earlier posts again to make yourself look like a beacon of light.
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<!--quoteo(post=2046715:date=Dec 16 2012, 05:45 PM:name=runner)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (runner @ Dec 16 2012, 05:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046715"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Nice edit of your earlier post about an hour after you make it, nice.
Motives? "Are people hacking? Or just that good?". I answered the forum title, with evidence to back it up. You're just pissed it's your friend on the receiving end of it, once again, year after year he gets it. I just thought new NS2 players should know. Problem? Again, it's because your friend is a cheat.
So go edit your earlier posts again to make yourself look like a beacon of light.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I edited my post to correct a couple of spelling errors and clarify what I meant. Nothing was removed, only added. The edit was made 13 minutes after, not "an hour after". Do you have any more lies you would like us to laugh at?
But no, what you just posted is more lies. You didn't post any "evidence to back it up". You posted a link to a thread without even reading it, and now that I've spanked you for your stupidity, you've apparently decided to cry about it.
I would post this no matter who the player being accused was. There is nothing worse than lying sacks of ###### like you, trying to tarnish a players reputation just because you have a chip on your shoulder. I hope you don't use your forum handle for anything else in this community, because you've just marked yourself with the digital equivalent of a giant F tattoo on your forehead.
<!--quoteo(post=2046717:date=Dec 16 2012, 05:50 PM:name=fanatic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fanatic @ Dec 16 2012, 05:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046717"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I edited my post to correct a couple of spelling errors and clarify what I meant. Nothing was removed, only added.
But no, what you just posted is more lies. You didn't post any "evidence to back it up". You posted a link to a thread without even reading it, and now that I've spanked you for your stupidity, you've apparently decided to cry about it.
I would post this no matter who the player being accused was. There is nothing worse than lying sacks of ###### like you, trying to tarnish a players reputation just because you have a chip on your shoulder. I hope you don't use your forum handle for anything else in this community, because you've just marked yourself with the digital equivalent of a giant F tattoo on your forehead.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Pretty hilarious. Especially since camo makes people 100% invisible to begin with, meaning that a DLL inject style hack wouldn't do anything.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not defending anyone, nor taking issue with anyone regarding hacking, but WTF does that mean?
More and more im hearing people throw around stupid buzzwords seemingly to sound pro, like "vector aimbot" or "dll hack", like seriously if you dont know what you're talking about, please dont try to sound technical. One can just as easily inject code into a process without using a DLL as with, and what the hell do you mean "dll inject style hack wouldnt do anything", if you can inject code into a process and get it executed you can do what the hell you like.
More and more im hearing people throw around stupid buzzwords seemingly to sound pro, like "vector aimbot" or "dll hack", like seriously if you dont know what you're talking about, please dont try to sound technical. One can just as easily inject code into a process without using a DLL as with, and what the hell do you mean "dll inject style hack wouldnt do anything", if you can inject code into a process and get it executed you can do what the hell you like.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He's suggesting that the client doesn't have the data on where 100% invisible aliens are. It does.
Honestly, the witch hunts, raging and accusations damage the community far more than the few hackers that are out there. So please give it a rest.
I have seen a player do that a few times. I played a few rounds on the same server as him both with and against. Every single game with out fail he would get accused of being able to see cloaked aliens by over half the other team. He said it was because his flash light was on.
Yeah surround headphones have actually (surprisingly) been a pretty huge deal for me in NS2. I mean, NS2 is the first game I've actually used them in, but coming from NS2's lousy stereo implementation (where sounds felt extremely inaccurate) it was a big advantage. In other shooters with stereo I'd be able to pinpoint players behind walls pretty accurately, but somehow in NS2 stereo is really unreliable and indistinct at letting you know the enemy's location.
Honestly, the witch hunts, raging and accusations damage the community far more than the few hackers that are out there. So please give it a rest.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Number of hackers I've seen on NS 2 = 3 (4 if you include the guy who climbed out the map and was invulnerable but could still fire into the map and damage people)
Number of hackers of which I saw banned by admin on my first day on APB = 5
I don't think that's bad considering I've been playing NS2 over a week now and put in quite a bit of time while APB I ran into that many on my first time.
Heck I've run into more people hacking on smite than NS2 so far 7
<!--quoteo(post=2046591:date=Dec 16 2012, 11:31 AM:name=Seahunts)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Seahunts @ Dec 16 2012, 11:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046591"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have seen a player do that a few times. I played a few rounds on the same server as him both with and against. Every single game with out fail he would get accused of being able to see cloaked aliens by over half the other team. He said it was because his flash light was on.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That doesn't make a huge amount of sense as Aliens cloaked cast no shadows so the light pretty much just goes through them, or should at least.
<!--quoteo(post=2046617:date=Dec 16 2012, 01:06 PM:name=NeoRussia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NeoRussia @ Dec 16 2012, 01:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046617"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I use AKG 701s headphones with the Xonar Essence ST sound card. You can still hear skulks when they are walking or when they are even cloaked and walking, I'm surprised this was never patched, it's a pretty huge bug. I've actually been able to shoot sneaking skulks just from this sound, been called out for hacking as well. The sound is usually accurate enough to know exactly which spot they are in when behind a wall, sometimes. Oddly enough the sounds somehow desync or something and can not come from the correct direction.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually I believe if you sneak walk while cloaked you don't make a noise, its possibly intended as Silence is the only way to get what's considered in the state of normal movement speed to be silent movement. So while Camo is slower you do still make some noise walking at what for camo is normal speed.
Most NS2 players are Fry.
You're just bad.
Most NS2 players are Fry.
You're just bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you've heard the stories from the initial Gears of war tournaments the question is "what's the difference between them ?"
^ That exactly.
The hack accusations almost always come from when someone is playing alien against marine. Skulks dying repeatedly as they charge you from easy to shoot angles, skulks dying when they camp in commonly checked spots. Even stuff as simple as going through the veil overlook vent can get hackusations if you already have a good k/d.
- straight ground walking skulks
- no shadowstep+jump fades
- gliding only lerks
- running, flying, leaping or blinking/shadowstepping straight into your crosshair aliens
- running into a hiding place making noise like an onos
- noisy in general
- lerks sticking to a wall or ceiling spiking and waiting to get shot
Those players are most likely playing alien and accusing a marine of cheating. Never saw an alien player accused of cheating. Maybe because u can allways shoot a skulk from distance and when u fail while the skulk is closing in, its clearly your fault or (what i like the most) bad hitreg .
Start playing smart and u will suddenly notice, that all the cheaters will vanish.
<!--coloro:orange--><span style="color:orange"><!--/coloro-->*SNIP*<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
And he's allowed in competitive NS2? Shame on you.
<!--coloro:#FF8C00--><span style="color:#FF8C00"><!--/coloro-->Please refrain from accusing people publicly on the forums... -Kouji San<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
A wild IDIOT appeared!
SMARTGUY used LITERACY!
<!--QuoteBegin-jiriki (owner of ENSL)+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jiriki (owner of ENSL))</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Again you cannot blame <!--coloro:orange--><span style="color:orange"><!--/coloro-->*SNIP*<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> because he got permission from b1 (head admin at the time) seasons ago.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's super effective!
SMARTGUY used LITERACY!
It's super effective!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In fairness this is a little of column A and a little of column B.
It wasn't wrong for him to do it as such.
However it wasn't exactly right by the sounds of it to do it really considering other players weren't told this was allowed in the rules. They merely took it as standard they they had to play with only settings available by default in the game or by their hardware without adjustment / modification.
Basically its a grey area such as the lack of a rule in Football (soccer for the US) saying "you can't bring a trained Kestrel onto the field to grab the ball and carry it into the enemy goal" its kind of an assumed rule (Oddly there is a written rule in football stating if the ball deflects of a bird it is allowed though)
Like this? <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/oct/17/darren-bent-balloon-sunderland-liverpool" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/20...rland-liverpool</a>
It's widely accepted and <!--coloro:orange--><span style="color:orange"><!--/coloro-->*SNIP*<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> was banned from the last surviving NS1 servers for cheating, which is also known as an unfair advantage and going out of the bounds of the norm. Cheat.
No, it is not a grey area and your example doesn't fit the situation at all because you don't know anything about what transpired in this particular case Yet another poster talking out of his ass. The norm in NS1 competitive play at the time was that you could use any game file modification/cvar that didn't conflict with mp_blockscripts 1, and that wasn't specifically banned in the rules. That particular cvar was not banned in the rules and <!--coloro:orange--><span style="color:orange"><!--/coloro-->*SNIP*<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> even asked the head admin if it was legit to use, which the head admin confirmed that it was.
You can disagree with the tournament allowing such a cvar to be used, but you can't blame the players for the failures of the tournament organizer. If the head admin specifially says that a certain modification is legal to use, and there is nothing in the rules to say otherwise, then that is that.
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No, this is a lie.
Are you going to keep wasting our time with this bull###### or are you done now? You are the worst kind of poster.
It's widely accepted and <!--coloro:orange--><span style="color:orange"><!--/coloro-->*SNIP*<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--> was banned from the last surviving NS1 servers for cheating, which is also known as an unfair advantage and going out of the bounds of the norm. Cheat.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Fair enough then I can see why he would be banned for that its almost the equivalent of the old school wall hacks on some old games people used to do by changing the texture files for the walls to be just dotted lines and the rest being transparent .
Also oddly there was a case of a goal deflecting off a bird which was allowed to stand for some reason as birds are in the rules of football (ancient rules but still).
<!--quoteo(post=2046701:date=Dec 16 2012, 04:23 PM:name=fanatic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fanatic @ Dec 16 2012, 04:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2046701"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You can't blame the players for the failures of the tournament organizer. If the head admin specifially says that a certain modification is legal to use, and there is nothing in the rules to say otherwise, then that is that.
No, this is a lie.
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Again a little of column A a little of column B. The organiser should have pointed out this was ok when it go brought up and made others aware. To just say OK and not make people aware is a problem but part of that is on the participant to make sure everyone is aware its fine and to only use it if it is known to people that its allowed.
If its not in the rules it doesn't mean its right to use it. If its in the rules saying its allowed / how its allowed then its fine.
This is LITERALLY the most retarded thing I have ever read.
Are you a troll or just an ######? Both I guess!
There isn't an eyeroll hard enough to express how stupid of a position that is to take.
I'll resort to the perfectly cast Liz Lemon to try and express it.
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You can't be that ignorant.
It's the same as why games have matchmaking. If you're going 50-1 in a server, the opponents clearly can not giving you a challenge. That's not fun for any of the other players. At all.
The game SMNC died due to this. Of the 1500-3000 player population (not concurrent) there were only 10-15 actual good players. One group from NA, another from Europe. The game didn't have matchmaking at the time so we were put up against brand new players who didn't have a chance, thus ruining their SMNC experience and promptly quitting the already dead game. The total amount of match lost between us (unless the Euros ######ed up somewhere) was 0 over a span of <i>months</i>.
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Nice edit of your earlier post about an hour after you make it, nice.
Motives? "Are people hacking? Or just that good?". I answered the forum title, with evidence to back it up. You're just pissed it's your friend on the receiving end of it, once again, year after year he gets it. I just thought new NS2 players should know. Problem? Again, it's because your friend is a cheat.
So go edit your earlier posts again to make yourself look like a beacon of light.
Motives? "Are people hacking? Or just that good?". I answered the forum title, with evidence to back it up. You're just pissed it's your friend on the receiving end of it, once again, year after year he gets it. I just thought new NS2 players should know. Problem? Again, it's because your friend is a cheat.
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I edited my post to correct a couple of spelling errors and clarify what I meant. Nothing was removed, only added. The edit was made 13 minutes after, not "an hour after". Do you have any more lies you would like us to laugh at?
But no, what you just posted is more lies. You didn't post any "evidence to back it up". You posted a link to a thread without even reading it, and now that I've spanked you for your stupidity, you've apparently decided to cry about it.
I would post this no matter who the player being accused was. There is nothing worse than lying sacks of ###### like you, trying to tarnish a players reputation just because you have a chip on your shoulder. I hope you don't use your forum handle for anything else in this community, because you've just marked yourself with the digital equivalent of a giant F tattoo on your forehead.
But no, what you just posted is more lies. You didn't post any "evidence to back it up". You posted a link to a thread without even reading it, and now that I've spanked you for your stupidity, you've apparently decided to cry about it.
I would post this no matter who the player being accused was. There is nothing worse than lying sacks of ###### like you, trying to tarnish a players reputation just because you have a chip on your shoulder. I hope you don't use your forum handle for anything else in this community, because you've just marked yourself with the digital equivalent of a giant F tattoo on your forehead.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I got that one.