Is there an up to date guide or wiki for NS2?

LokipowerLokipower Join Date: 2013-01-06 Member: 177851Members
Most of the wikis/guides i've found seem pretty outdated, and it's hard to find all the info in one place.

For example, what does parasite do in NS2? It doesn't seem to "tag" marines as in NS1 (or actually, all damage seems to do it?). Also, does multiple bile bombs do anything, or is the damage-over-time the same no matter what? (and multiple bombs just increase the DoT length)? How much damage do drifters do? Is the AOE attack speed increase something that affects an area or an alien? How long does it stay? How long does bile bomb stay, and how much damage does it do? Etc. etc. Where is all that information?

Would be nice to have all this up-to-date information in one place. Thanks!

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  • FehaFeha Join Date: 2006-11-16 Member: 58633Members
    There already exists a thread with this exact question, you could have used that.
    <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=126900&st=0&p=2057012&#entry2057012" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...p;#entry2057012</a>

    You could always pm the other threads creator to set up a test with you two, so you can test out how exactly it works.
    Then all you have to do is update the wiki.
  • Brad_RBrad_R pandas | brad Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8273Members, Constellation
    edited January 2013
    <!--quoteo(post=2057518:date=Jan 7 2013, 01:52 PM:name=Feha)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Feha @ Jan 7 2013, 01:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2057518"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You could always pm the other threads creator to set up a test with you two<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    lol
  • FehaFeha Join Date: 2006-11-16 Member: 58633Members
    Figured it would be too obvious if I said "yourself" there.

    Although I do admit this thread was created in a more appropriate sub-forum than the first, when I actually look at the hierarchy path to see where they were created. Doesn't really matter to me as I use "new posts" :)
  • LokipowerLokipower Join Date: 2013-01-06 Member: 177851Members
    Just seems really weird that there is no official guide out there, as the devs know their own game better than new players, obviously.
  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2057522:date=Jan 7 2013, 03:02 PM:name=Lokipower)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lokipower @ Jan 7 2013, 03:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2057522"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just seems really weird that there is no official guide out there, as the devs know their own game better than new players, obviously.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What is more official than:

    <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/wiki</a>

    ?
  • MestaritonttuMestaritonttu Join Date: 2004-07-29 Member: 30229Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    That's a wiki not a guide.

    Be less snarky people?

    We've ZERO room to be smirking in threads like these because when it comes to new player guides NS2 is a HORRIBLE GAME. There's TONS of stuff you'd like to know but not a SINGLE concise tutorial to cover most of it. Shame on us. >:(
  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2057530:date=Jan 7 2013, 03:33 PM:name=Mestaritonttu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mestaritonttu @ Jan 7 2013, 03:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2057530"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's a wiki not a guide.

    Be less snarky people?

    We've ZERO room to be smirking in threads like these because when it comes to new player guides NS2 is a HORRIBLE GAME. There's TONS of stuff you'd like to know but not a SINGLE concise tutorial to cover most of it. Shame on us. >:(<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Guide, wiki, meh. Fairly interchangeable if you ask me.

    My 'snark" was aimed the OP's apparent overlooking of the link right above "General Discussion" on this very page.
  • MestaritonttuMestaritonttu Join Date: 2004-07-29 Member: 30229Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    And the damn wiki doesn't even tell how much damage drifters do, or whether or not bilebomb stacks. >_< Gah!
  • MakenshiMakenshi Join Date: 2012-10-30 Member: 164681Members
    The wiki is also way off on some of its info. Try lobbing a single bile bomb and see if it ever hits the 70x5 damage as claimed in the wiki.
    Of course, this is the part where people come in and say "you can always just check the lua"
  • MagnetBoxMagnetBox Join Date: 2010-07-25 Member: 72813Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2057533:date=Jan 7 2013, 02:41 PM:name=Mestaritonttu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mestaritonttu @ Jan 7 2013, 02:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2057533"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And the damn wiki doesn't even tell how much damage drifters do, or whether or not bilebomb stacks. >_< Gah!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Quick test confirms bile bomb definitely stacks. Drifters do 5 normal damage every 0.6 seconds.

    <!--quoteo(post=2057578:date=Jan 7 2013, 04:08 PM:name=Makenshi)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Makenshi @ Jan 7 2013, 04:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2057578"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The wiki is also way off on some of its info. Try lobbing a single bile bomb and see if it ever hits the 70x5 damage as claimed in the wiki.
    Of course, this is the part where people come in and say "you can always just check the lua"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It is definitely 70x5 in the lua. I did some tests and the best I got was 324.

    Balance.lua has most of the numbers people care about. I've been trying to get the wiki up to date over the past couple days. I've fixed a bunch of minor Marine stuff like costs, health, and armor values. I also added build icons for most everything. Aliens will be next.

    I think it is lacking information more than anything though. If anyone has input on what should be on there, let me know and I can do my best to add it.
  • LokipowerLokipower Join Date: 2013-01-06 Member: 177851Members
    edited January 2013
    <!--quoteo(post=2057578:date=Jan 7 2013, 02:08 PM:name=Makenshi)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Makenshi @ Jan 7 2013, 02:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2057578"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The wiki is also way off on some of its info. Try lobbing a single bile bomb and see if it ever hits the 70x5 damage as claimed in the wiki.
    Of course, this is the part where people come in and say "you can always just check the lua"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Unless i'm mistaken, Feign Death and Hypermutation are no longer in-game as well, so it's hard to tell what info is accurate for today's games. Really love this game too, so i'd like to know the actual rules :p
  • derWalterderWalter Join Date: 2008-10-29 Member: 65323Members
    tests?

    just open the lua files and read.
    if we have to life with crippled performance
    than use at least the small advantages of that technique :*


    walter
  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    There's at least one mistake I've found on the official wiki, on the damage types page it says shotguns do normal damage, then on the shotgun page it says they do heavy. One of them is wrong, so it's possible not everything on that wiki is correct.
  • MakenshiMakenshi Join Date: 2012-10-30 Member: 164681Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2057798:date=Jan 8 2013, 01:47 AM:name=MagnetBox)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MagnetBox @ Jan 8 2013, 01:47 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2057798"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It is definitely 70x5 in the lua. I did some tests and the best I got was 324.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's the issue. I know it does 12 ticks of 27, but it never reaches the theoretical 12.5 ticks for the full 350 damage. I'm not sure why it's so hard to properly document their code to reflect this behavior (ticks 5 times per 2 seconds over period of 5 seconds) or change the behavior to reflect the code (make it 35 a tick every 0.5s or something).
  • MagnetBoxMagnetBox Join Date: 2010-07-25 Member: 72813Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2058087:date=Jan 8 2013, 05:45 PM:name=Makenshi)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Makenshi @ Jan 8 2013, 05:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2058087"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That's the issue. I know it does 12 ticks of 27, but it never reaches the theoretical 12.5 ticks for the full 350 damage. I'm not sure why it's so hard to properly document their code to reflect this behavior (ticks 5 times per 2 seconds over period of 5 seconds) or change the behavior to reflect the code (make it 35 a tick every 0.5s or something).<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, looking in the code some more I see that it ticks every 0.4 seconds. I'm guessing they don't handle partial ticks, so it only ever gets 12. Thus the max is really 336, not 350 as the balance numbers would have you believe. Changing the duration to 5.2 seconds would solve this I'm guessing.
  • ogzogz Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9765Members
    Reason that theres no up to date guide is because the game changes so frequently

    But that shouldn't stop us from at least describing the features of certain skills like bilebomb and parasite somewhere which doesn't change that much overtime
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