It sure looks dead. I'm guessing that UWE has finally decided to stop the balance overhauls and keep the game in the state it's currently in. Which is fine since this build is pretty damn good. However, I would like to see something like the Evolution Chamber make its way into the game, as this whole research on random structures system is a bit unintuitive and something of a noob trap.
It sure looks dead. I'm guessing that UWE has finally decided to stop the balance overhauls and keep the game in the state it's currently in. Which is fine since this build is pretty damn good. However, I would like to see something like the Evolution Chamber make its way into the game, as this whole research on random structures system is a bit unintuitive and something of a noob trap.
Yeah I really don't like the new model of place structure > upgrade entire lifeform. I preferred having the option of upgrading specific traits at hives but the evo chamber sounds like an interesting concept. Maybe that could be a critical structure that aliens need to protect? I feel aliens lack critical structures like marines do, only trait structures seem to be viable targets inside a base besides harvesters ofc.
It made going for spores or blink (at the time) early worth it if you had a good number of lerks or focusing on early bile rather than pouring all your res into a single lifeform.
Indeed. It has been stated that there will be no more major balance overhauls, therefore, many of the radical changes tested in BT will no longer be considered for implementation, and, as Sewlek is in charge of balance, he is now working on how to tweak the game as it is to improve balance.
Well, that's a shame.
If new ideas are not being generated and tested (evolution chamber), and the game is only going to be left to minor tweaks to improve "balance" on a game that is still a ways from being completely finished (aliens upgrade system mess), then the game has officially been put on life support and it's only a matter of time before the game goes 6 feet under.
Sorry for anyone who dropped more money on the game through the reinforced system, it seems you lost out.
Can't say I'm not surprised though, saw it coming during beta.
Can't say I'm not surprised though, saw it coming during beta.
I bought the game almost a year ago. I've had my £19 worth of entertainment in 1400 hours; It would be sad to see ns2 go under, but definitely has not been money wasted.
- reduced nano shield damage absorb to 32% (down from 75%)
- increased nano shield duration to 5 seconds (up from 3)
- reduced marine dodge jump effectiveness by 50%
- changed macs to construct at 40% compared to a marine (was 30%)
- macs have now a useable thruster ability, increasing their movement speed for 5 seconds (20 seconds cooldown)
- grenades no longer require a research
- drifters will now slow down when shot from close distance
- increased fade swipe damage to 81 damage (up from 75)
- new experimental code for player vs. player collision
Thank something for the fade swipe damage.. Love this change back
Curious about grenades. It'll make armory drops reasonable without phase rush.
Nice drifter change overall.
But @Kaneh my favorite change of all, this would make Cat Packs better than nano.
So how exactly does this work? Is this like a public test server where potential changes are tested out (as in, can we expect these changes to make it into game) or is this a 'just for fun' mod?
So how exactly does this work? Is this like a public test server where potential changes are tested out (as in, can we expect these changes to make it into game) or is this a 'just for fun' mod?
These are official balance changes being tested out by Sewlek, a UWE employee and balance designer for NS2. This BT mod will show up as "ns2bt" in the game modes section of the server browser, if you want to test them out, check for this tag.
From the beta test notes, can someone clarify what "reduced marine dodge jump effectiveness by 50%" means exactly? Does this mean the speed boost has been simply dropped by 50% or something else?
If the speed the boost from strafe jump is reduced, can you restore the jump height so you still jump as high as you do forwards? This way you can use railings and other floor obstructions to help juke skulks (like back in the day), which I believe will increase the depth and fun of the skulk vs marine match-up.
In general, I'd like a more 'beefed up' version of the old marine jump back. That is, simply increase the marine jump acceleration (and perhaps distance) in all directions. Having a special jump that only works when you jump sideways and with no option to jump normally in that direction is inconsistent with naive expectations, and in my personal opinion distasteful.
These are official balance changes being tested out by Sewlek, a UWE employee and balance designer for NS2. This BT mod will show up as "ns2bt" in the game modes section of the server browser, if you want to test them out, check for this tag.
From the beta test notes, can someone clarify what "reduced marine dodge jump effectiveness by 50%" means exactly? Does this mean the speed boost has been simply dropped by 50% or something else?
If the speed the boost from strafe jump is reduced, can you restore the jump height so you still jump as high as you do forwards? This way you can use railings and other floor obstructions to help juke skulks (like back in the day), which I believe will increase the depth and fun of the skulk vs marine match-up.
In general, I'd like a more 'beefed up' version of the old marine jump back. That is, simply increase the marine jump acceleration (and perhaps distance) in all directions. Having a special jump that only works when you jump sideways and with no option to jump normally in that direction is inconsistent with naive expectations, and in my personal opinion distasteful.
Thanks for all your hard work Sewlek!
instead of adding 1 /ms horizontal speed the jump adds now only 0.5, the jump height has been raised accordingly
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I don't think the jump height ever needed to be increased?
Even before SJ, the insane jump height caused tracking problems for aliens, with marine feet clearing the height of another marine's head. Without trying it yet, this just sounds like it missed the core reason why SJ is a problem. :-\
I don't think the jump height ever needed to be increased?
Even before SJ, the insane jump height caused tracking problems for aliens, with marine feet clearing the height of another marine's head. Without trying it yet, this just sounds like it missed the core reason why SJ is a problem. :-\
dodge jump has overall still a lower height than a "normal" jump. "raised" compared to what it was before (80% before, 90% now of normal jump height)
I don't think the jump height ever needed to be increased?
Even before SJ, the insane jump height caused tracking problems for aliens, with marine feet clearing the height of another marine's head. Without trying it yet, this just sounds like it missed the core reason why SJ is a problem. :-\
dodge jump has overall still a lower height than a "normal" jump. "raised" compared to what it was before (80% before, 90% now of normal jump height)
I see, thanks.
Oh @xdragon .. never ever missing an opportunity to tell everyone how they don't know as much as him. This is what, your 5th this week?
You'd be a lot more pleasant and contributing, if all you did was enlighten everyone instead of choosing each occasion to boost your e-peen from condescending remarks.
Also, please be more observant next time... I didn't state A) that SJ was ever higher or lower than a typical jump that i have even tried this version, let alone perused LUA files to find the exact values to compare to vanilla. It was just me interpreting what Sewlek said incorrectly.. =D>
The purpose is not to be arrogant, nor to be condescending or even angry... Its about making a point. Don't mistake brutal honesty for anything else than what it is - you know just as well as I do that a majority of the forum posts on balance make completely baseless or incorrect assumptions... for varying reasons... That doesn't make the posts worthless, they provide insight on what people perceive as problems... But to attempt to draw honest balance conclusions from almost any post on here is crazy, you would go in so many circles that you would end up changing nothing. Strafe 'dodge' jump is a great example. With all the posts on that subject, it would seem like - easy remove and everyone is happy. The problem is, removing it will not fix the problem, so then something else will be blamed. The marines default accel would get lowered, or skulks increased. Or air control adjustments.. or a multitude of other fixes that still ignore the core issue and would end up shifting balance way back into the hands of the aliens (who still win more then 50% in pubs). The first part of fixing a problem is accurately identifying what the problem is - and that's something I am trying to point out is not nearly as clear in a game like NS2.
A simple problem like the physical interaction between two entities when colliding can have a huge balance impact, and considering the work done to fix the results of the base physic interaction (a band aid), can be quite hard to correctly identify.
I watched these same problems occur back before 250, and have seen so many incorrect changes made which only address the side effects of problems, and not the core problems (fade damage as a perfect example).
We installed the BT mod on our server and upon joining if you crouch as a marine in the ready room or IG you stay crouched the entire play session. The only way to fix the issue is to rejoin the server.
BT Mod and NSL Mod are the only mods on the server.
We installed the BT mod on our server and upon joining if you crouch as a marine in the ready room or IG you stay crouched the entire play session. The only way to fix the issue is to rejoin the server.
BT Mod and NSL Mod are the only mods on the server.
The purpose is not to be arrogant, nor to be condescending or even angry... Its about making a point. Don't mistake brutal honesty for anything else than what it is - you know just as well as I do that a majority of the forum posts on balance make completely baseless or incorrect assumptions... for varying reasons... That doesn't make the posts worthless, they provide insight on what people perceive as problems... But to attempt to draw honest balance conclusions from almost any post on here is crazy, you would go in so many circles that you would end up changing nothing. Strafe 'dodge' jump is a great example. With all the posts on that subject, it would seem like - easy remove and everyone is happy. The problem is, removing it will not fix the problem, so then something else will be blamed. The marines default accel would get lowered, or skulks increased. Or air control adjustments.. or a multitude of other fixes that still ignore the core issue and would end up shifting balance way back into the hands of the aliens (who still win more then 50% in pubs). The first part of fixing a problem is accurately identifying what the problem is - and that's something I am trying to point out is not nearly as clear in a game like NS2.
A simple problem like the physical interaction between two entities when colliding can have a huge balance impact, and considering the work done to fix the results of the base physic interaction (a band aid), can be quite hard to correctly identify.
I watched these same problems occur back before 250, and have seen so many incorrect changes made which only address the side effects of problems, and not the core problems (fade damage as a perfect example).
Brutal honesty is just an edgy way to say you're being a jerk. What's wrong with regular honesty? When you prefix your post with "lol..." it's pretty clear you're not trying to start a civilized discussion.
The purpose is not to be arrogant, nor to be condescending or even angry... Its about making a point. Don't mistake brutal honesty for anything else than what it is - you know just as well as I do that a majority of the forum posts on balance make completely baseless or incorrect assumptions... for varying reasons... That doesn't make the posts worthless, they provide insight on what people perceive as problems... But to attempt to draw honest balance conclusions from almost any post on here is crazy, you would go in so many circles that you would end up changing nothing. Strafe 'dodge' jump is a great example. With all the posts on that subject, it would seem like - easy remove and everyone is happy. The problem is, removing it will not fix the problem, so then something else will be blamed. The marines default accel would get lowered, or skulks increased. Or air control adjustments.. or a multitude of other fixes that still ignore the core issue and would end up shifting balance way back into the hands of the aliens (who still win more then 50% in pubs). The first part of fixing a problem is accurately identifying what the problem is - and that's something I am trying to point out is not nearly as clear in a game like NS2.
A simple problem like the physical interaction between two entities when colliding can have a huge balance impact, and considering the work done to fix the results of the base physic interaction (a band aid), can be quite hard to correctly identify.
I watched these same problems occur back before 250, and have seen so many incorrect changes made which only address the side effects of problems, and not the core problems (fade damage as a perfect example).
Brutal honesty is just an edgy way to say you're being a jerk. What's wrong with regular honesty? When you prefix your post with "lol..." it's pretty clear you're not trying to start a civilized discussion.
He is just being arrogant and condescending. He simply repeated what was already said by the Sewlek fellow and trying to pass it off like he knew all along. It doesn't take knowing specific numbers to know the feeling of something being off.
Clearly I didnt have any clue that the strafe jump height was different...
Id rather this not become a discussion about me because I already know how that will go, the ns2 community has made that abundantly clear. Ill just return to living under my bridge.
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Yeah I really don't like the new model of place structure > upgrade entire lifeform. I preferred having the option of upgrading specific traits at hives but the evo chamber sounds like an interesting concept. Maybe that could be a critical structure that aliens need to protect? I feel aliens lack critical structures like marines do, only trait structures seem to be viable targets inside a base besides harvesters ofc.
It made going for spores or blink (at the time) early worth it if you had a good number of lerks or focusing on early bile rather than pouring all your res into a single lifeform.
The whole model just seems odd and unintuitive.
Well, that's a shame.
If new ideas are not being generated and tested (evolution chamber), and the game is only going to be left to minor tweaks to improve "balance" on a game that is still a ways from being completely finished (aliens upgrade system mess), then the game has officially been put on life support and it's only a matter of time before the game goes 6 feet under.
Sorry for anyone who dropped more money on the game through the reinforced system, it seems you lost out.
Can't say I'm not surprised though, saw it coming during beta.
I bought the game almost a year ago. I've had my £19 worth of entertainment in 1400 hours; It would be sad to see ns2 go under, but definitely has not been money wasted.
PLEASE test this if you have a team and the opportunity to do so! and make sure you post any feedback here.
Thank something for the fade swipe damage.. Love this change back
Curious about grenades. It'll make armory drops reasonable without phase rush.
Nice drifter change overall.
But @Kaneh my favorite change of all, this would make Cat Packs better than nano.
These are official balance changes being tested out by Sewlek, a UWE employee and balance designer for NS2. This BT mod will show up as "ns2bt" in the game modes section of the server browser, if you want to test them out, check for this tag.
If the speed the boost from strafe jump is reduced, can you restore the jump height so you still jump as high as you do forwards? This way you can use railings and other floor obstructions to help juke skulks (like back in the day), which I believe will increase the depth and fun of the skulk vs marine match-up.
In general, I'd like a more 'beefed up' version of the old marine jump back. That is, simply increase the marine jump acceleration (and perhaps distance) in all directions. Having a special jump that only works when you jump sideways and with no option to jump normally in that direction is inconsistent with naive expectations, and in my personal opinion distasteful.
Thanks for all your hard work Sewlek!
That was very concise, thank you very much
instead of adding 1 /ms horizontal speed the jump adds now only 0.5, the jump height has been raised accordingly
Even before SJ, the insane jump height caused tracking problems for aliens, with marine feet clearing the height of another marine's head. Without trying it yet, this just sounds like it missed the core reason why SJ is a problem. :-\
dodge jump has overall still a lower height than a "normal" jump. "raised" compared to what it was before (80% before, 90% now of normal jump height)
Posting in this thread spams snb's notifications, I think that's reason enough to keep it around.
On topic: Glad to see this back. I will try to find a server tonight after class.
Oh @xdragon .. never ever missing an opportunity to tell everyone how they don't know as much as him. This is what, your 5th this week?
You'd be a lot more pleasant and contributing, if all you did was enlighten everyone instead of choosing each occasion to boost your e-peen from condescending remarks.
Also, please be more observant next time... I didn't state A) that SJ was ever higher or lower than a typical jump
A simple problem like the physical interaction between two entities when colliding can have a huge balance impact, and considering the work done to fix the results of the base physic interaction (a band aid), can be quite hard to correctly identify.
I watched these same problems occur back before 250, and have seen so many incorrect changes made which only address the side effects of problems, and not the core problems (fade damage as a perfect example).
BT Mod and NSL Mod are the only mods on the server.
Comments?
should be fixed now
Brutal honesty is just an edgy way to say you're being a jerk. What's wrong with regular honesty? When you prefix your post with "lol..." it's pretty clear you're not trying to start a civilized discussion.
He is just being arrogant and condescending. He simply repeated what was already said by the Sewlek fellow and trying to pass it off like he knew all along. It doesn't take knowing specific numbers to know the feeling of something being off.
Id rather this not become a discussion about me because I already know how that will go, the ns2 community has made that abundantly clear. Ill just return to living under my bridge.