To be fair, it was the community who hyped it this time.
There was no announcement for an announcement or anything, Hugh just teased with a blurred photo. (something that was done before in the past with UWE's twitter that never generated this much hype.. maybe the release date is what did it)
The NS2 community just want something for NS2 .. not just competitive .. something that DESERVES hype .. things get hyped up because of retarded pictures like this with phrases like 'release dates' .. and 'guess what??' shit thrown around ..
How about this .. dont fucking release pictures like this .. and just fucking tell us ..
sick of this shit tbh
Free to play probably wouldn't help at this stage tbh .. I had assumed the badges for the NS2WC were a test on DLC more or less .. with the aim to go free to play and sell hats .. tbh if it does go that way .. I see it more as a way to squeeze the last few $ from those still sticking around
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edited March 2014
Well, you're a peachy one, aren't ya? :-P
I recommend staying away from anything related to the gaming industry if hype isn't your thing.
It's sort of unavoidable and how every business generates interest in their product.
Come to think of it.. that's the entire media industry..
Though, like i said previously, hype has occurred for things that were obviously done for protocol's sake, like blurring out a computer monitor in the background of a photo... so I doubt you can stop this hypetrain, balmark.. let alone make a request from UWE.
To be fair, it was the community who hyped it this time.
There was no announcement for an announcement or anything, Hugh just teased with a blurred photo. (something that was done before in the past with UWE's twitter that never generated this much hype.. maybe the release date is what did it)
I would be inclined to agree, but the truth is that this thread has been around for nearly a month and nothing had been done by UWE to diffuse it or dismiss the release/announcement date as false or uncertain. If anything, golden posts only added to the hype.
Yeah... so where does that come from?
Is that irony?
I don't get it and I don't think there will be anymore maps.
Also, what I don't understand why they can't make the announcement yet. I mean - is the announcement not ready yet or what? It's not like you have to deliver right after announcing it. Hell, you don't even have to give a deadline. Just "Hey guys, we know we are a bit delayed, but we are currently working on X. You will get it soon and it will be great!"
F0rdPrefect - it was a link in this post yesterday to unkown worlds official site that listed all features i only copyd 1 line, they said reworking the tech tree, adding new commander features etc etc, the regular stuff we already know...unfortunatly they say game will change AGAIN - Also ALOT! but the best part for me was NEW MAPS and i quoted it from UWE!
NS2 maps have the BEST estetic and visual style of any tripple game title, even better than titanfall from 2014, its the best in any game i have ever seen or played in my life. i love the technical and futuristic layout, the panels and models, the settings and mood all maps comes with. i cant get enough of them! thats why i am happy to hear MORE MAPS, last thing i heard that other official map discovery or what its called was put on halt due to making eclipse or something. so enough with the cosmetics, skins and other gimmick, i want actual playable environments for more variety and this means ns2 is not yet finished! thank god we get to see more of it!
F0rdPrefect - it was a link in this post yesterday to unkown worlds official site that listed all features i only copyd 1 line, they said reworking the tech tree, adding new commander features etc etc, the regular stuff we already know...unfortunatly they say game will change AGAIN - Also ALOT! but the best part for me was NEW MAPS and i quoted it from UWE!
That sounds awesome. Actually, a bit too awesome to believe
F0rdPrefect - it was a link in this post yesterday to unkown worlds official site that listed all features i only copyd 1 line, they said reworking the tech tree, adding new commander features etc etc, the regular stuff we already know...unfortunatly they say game will change AGAIN - Also ALOT! but the best part for me was NEW MAPS and i quoted it from UWE!
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i cant get enough of them! thats why i am happy to hear MORE MAPS, last thing i heard that other official map discovery or what its called was put on halt due to making eclipse or something. so enough with the cosmetics, skins and other gimmick, i want actual playable environments for more variety and this means ns2 is not yet finished! thank god we get to see more of it!
Bit early for April Fools'. I REALLY hope they don't mess with the tech trees again.
NS2WC hype was hilarious now when I look back on it. I seriously remember refeshing the page with so much confusion.
@Dictator93 I remember having access to the files before the announcement. I was excited, but was like oh shit this is gonna be interesting on the forums...
F0rdPrefect - it was a link in this post yesterday to unkown worlds official site that listed all features i only copyd 1 line, they said reworking the tech tree, adding new commander features etc etc, the regular stuff we already know...unfortunatly they say game will change AGAIN - Also ALOT! but the best part for me was NEW MAPS and i quoted it from UWE!
NS2 maps have the BEST estetic and visual style of any tripple game title, even better than titanfall from 2014, its the best in any game i have ever seen or played in my life. i love the technical and futuristic layout, the panels and models, the settings and mood all maps comes with. i cant get enough of them! thats why i am happy to hear MORE MAPS, last thing i heard that other official map discovery or what its called was put on halt due to making eclipse or something. so enough with the cosmetics, skins and other gimmick, i want actual playable environments for more variety and this means ns2 is not yet finished! thank god we get to see more of it!
Ouch. That was a link to the NS 1.1 release teaser text someone linked as a joke...
Increased flamethrower "on fire" damage by 50%. Reduced on fire energy recuperation rate from 80% to 60%. Reduced cost from 30 to 25 so new players don’t think of it as "better" than the GL.
Increased time that umbra "drags" from .2 seconds to .5 (so aliens in it can retain the benefits for a short time as they leave it).
Lowered Lerk speed from 13 to 11. Increased armor from 25 to 50. Increased spike accuracy quite a bit. Bite damage increased and does Normal damage (was Light).
MACs now repair Exos at half the rate that players do.
Reduced cost and research times of tier 3 alien abilities (Xenocide, Stomp, Vortex, Umbra).
Reduced egg generation rate at hives by 25% – to help address the "zerg machine of doom" (thanks Zeikko!).
Reduced high HP for mature Crag (700/350 -> 600/250).
Changed pre-evolved eggs and droppable equipment to have the same tres cost as the pres cost.
Disabled initial blink force, to give Fades a reason to use shadow step as well
Changes
Disabled initial blink force, to give fades a reason to use shadow step as well.
Ghost model effect no longer shows up for destroyed power nodes.
Increased Onos base speed slightly.
Marine commander can now manually cancel ghost structures and get 75% of the res back.
Nutrient Mist has been changed back to be an area effect.
Nutrient Mist now speeds up only maturation and life form gestation (research, construction is not influenced).
Player personal resources are no longer cleared out when switching teams.
Removed rifle butt stun effects and reduced range to be slightly shorter than skulk bite.
Removed slowdown after charging for Onos.
NS2WC hype was hilarious now when I look back on it. I seriously remember refeshing the page with so much confusion.
@Dictator93 I remember having access to the files before the announcement. I was excited, but was like oh shit this is gonna be interesting on the forums...
F0rdPrefect - it was a link in this post yesterday to unkown worlds official site that listed all features i only copyd 1 line, they said reworking the tech tree, adding new commander features etc etc, the regular stuff we already know...unfortunatly they say game will change AGAIN - Also ALOT! but the best part for me was NEW MAPS and i quoted it from UWE!
NS2 maps have the BEST estetic and visual style of any tripple game title, even better than titanfall from 2014, its the best in any game i have ever seen or played in my life. i love the technical and futuristic layout, the panels and models, the settings and mood all maps comes with. i cant get enough of them! thats why i am happy to hear MORE MAPS, last thing i heard that other official map discovery or what its called was put on halt due to making eclipse or something. so enough with the cosmetics, skins and other gimmick, i want actual playable environments for more variety and this means ns2 is not yet finished! thank god we get to see more of it!
Ouch. That was a link to the NS 1.1 release teaser text someone linked as a joke...
To be fair, it was the community who hyped it this time.
There was no announcement for an announcement or anything, Hugh just teased with a blurred photo. (something that was done before in the past with UWE's twitter that never generated this much hype.. maybe the release date is what did it)
Oh, BS. When you release a photo like that, the intentions are clear. It's to get people excited and talking, and if you think their intentions were anything different, you're completely naive. They tease the photo, let the entire duration of the date pass without a peep, let this thread build up with discussion, yellow posts egging on the teasing, then come on the day of the image date and be like "sorry, we got nothing". What!?
It's not like this is the first time this has happened either. I understand things come up and things change, but don't release images like this if you can't hold to it. You just build up the community for a letdown.
It would be great to see a blog post detailing plans like the old days...
Unfortunately, I think people going bat sh** crazy mad when releases got delayed or features got dropped (from what was talked up in the blog posts), has kind of put a damper on UWE openness. To bad, really...I enjoyed those posts as well.
People reasonably expect a lot more from a "released" game than a beta/early access game. I wonder if it would have gone easier if UWE never officially released NS2...just kept it in beta/early access/whatever. I think people would have been generally much more forgiving. Oh well, that ship has sailed.
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edited March 2014
Oh come on @ns2isgood just read what @Racer1 posted.. it really should be considered.
You don't even know what you're upset about missing out on, lol!
It could be NS3 (its not) or it could be a free weekend and you wouldn't even know... yet you're clearly upset by it. Just consider that for a moment.
If people can't be asked to be reasonable about UWE (or any game dev for that matter) not making a release date, then they probably shouldn't be so involved with such details, (like developer twitter accounts or corners of gaming forums) and should just carry on with other things.
Else, your unreasonable reaction just builds an environment where they don't want to share things that they are excited about.
And let's be honest while we're on the subject... that's what that photo was intended to do... to get you excited about something UWE is doing. It's supposed to be fun and exciting, if 7 pages of speculation doesn't demonstrate that. If you want a company who just releases X feature blandly with no notice or excitement then you'll have to look somewhere other than the games industry.
Dates change because budgets, schedules, events and software are all far less reliable than an arbitrary date.
I mean, you are not rage emailing every game developer that delays their release, right? It happens in this industry almost more than it doesn't, if you haven't noticed.
Lastly, it's better to miss a release date than release a broken product, don't you think?
If you do, then i'd hope you'd be a little more reasonable than shouting "BS" to game developers in a forum...
There's a difference between being entirely unreasonable about UWE missing the deadline and refusing to admit that the missed deadline is UWE's responsibility. ns2isgood's post was directed at you trying to blame the community for building up the hype. That was not a fair accusation, considering that it was Hugh who posted the image in the first place, and considering that a number of golden posters did not attempt to quiet down the hype surrounding the reveal and in fact built it up with repeated teasing posts.
Yes, it's unreasonable to act indignant about something like a missed deadline, but it's equally unreasonable to ignore the mistakes made by a developer's PR department and try to pin them on the community.
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@Blarney_Stone
I do not believe anyone has alleviated UWE from responsibility for missing the deadline?? Or have i missed this?
The golden posters did not know that it was going to be delayed either, so it's hard to put anything on them.
My only point was that UWE was not intentionally hyping things up (like they have for previous large releases or events) it was just a photo meant to be a tease to build interest - not hype. Compared to the hype that UWE has intentionally created in the past, i definitely feel this one was created by the community..
Does this mean every thing they tease will create hype and should not be done? I hope not.. I rather like those teases :-/
Does this mean every thing they tease will create hype and should not be done? I hope not.. I rather like those teases :-/
I am starting to think that I would prefer more blog posts and no more teases. A year ago at this time we were getting monthly blog posts detailing the plans and the movements of internal development.
I honestly prefered that level of knowledge being diseminated. Since eclipse we have had little information on what NS2s update future holds. Whether more content is to be expected, whether performance updates could occur, etc... The few small informations have been pulled from unreliable places (PMs, cloudy non-commital dev forum posts, or things like twitter). I think changing to the older ways (blog!), would prevent some of the negativity in the community.
If anything, we would at least know what to expect if anything at all.
I am not sure if a "hold back the info for surprise and to attract new players through news services" type of marketing is really possible for this game. The game has been out for quite some time and is played by a niche audience (not a small audience, but an audience willing to play a very specific game).
Nurturing that audience with information they would not mind being privy too seems obvious. Hence why Chris Roberts recently refocused the entire PR and information distribution for Star Citizen to be focused on those who have already bought the game. There are literally deluges of information about what to expect and what internal dev is occuring. Why? Because these are the people who will keep paying, will keep playing, and will do everything on earth to make sure your game succeeds (IronHorse is a prime example of such a community member). Obviously the example is not fair on one level (CR has lots of money to make this level of community action more feasible), but the point still stands.
The dedicated community with the devs ARE this game. Not the greenhorn who bought it in the steam sale and loaded it up once.
My only point was that UWE was not intentionally hyping things up (like they have for previous large releases or events) it was just a photo meant to be a tease to build interest - not hype. Compared to the hype that UWE has intentionally created in the past, i definitely feel this one was created by the community..
Does this mean every thing they tease will create hype and should not be done? I hope not.. I rather like those teases :-/
If UWE give people a photo with something that intentionally shows a release date you have blurred out, it will create speculation. You can't expect anything else. That will lead to hype and teasing more will only increase said hype. You can't run around and claim the community is at fault for all the hype, no one in the community would have known a thing if it wasn't for the image UWE posted...
Did the community know if that update was new content or some other UWE related news? No. But the community expected something because they provided a date!
When UWE fail to provide anything someone is going to get annoyed, especially after it has happened before. Sure there are people who will just pass it off but you can't expect that the entire community, especially one with people as passionate as some of those in the NS2 community.
Now if you're going to tell people that you are working on either new content, a patch, something else and don't give them a release date at least they can't continuously get annoyed at you for failing to hit your own deadlines Im sure there are somethings UWE wish to keep quiet and surprise people with, then surprise them and don't tease people with promises that can not be kept!
Send these people a pixelated photo of a UWE devs groin area and have some giggles while everyone puts their faces to the screens trying to work it out... That'll shut them up.
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEES finally!!!
@Ironhorse
You're blaming the community for hype?
The NS2 community just want something for NS2 .. not just competitive .. something that DESERVES hype .. things get hyped up because of retarded pictures like this with phrases like 'release dates' .. and 'guess what??' shit thrown around ..
How about this .. dont fucking release pictures like this .. and just fucking tell us ..
sick of this shit tbh
Free to play probably wouldn't help at this stage tbh .. I had assumed the badges for the NS2WC were a test on DLC more or less .. with the aim to go free to play and sell hats .. tbh if it does go that way .. I see it more as a way to squeeze the last few $ from those still sticking around
I recommend staying away from anything related to the gaming industry if hype isn't your thing.
It's sort of unavoidable and how every business generates interest in their product.
Come to think of it.. that's the entire media industry..
Though, like i said previously, hype has occurred for things that were obviously done for protocol's sake, like blurring out a computer monitor in the background of a photo... so I doubt you can stop this hypetrain, balmark.. let alone make a request from UWE.
Instead, I would just ask them why we hear so little about NS2s future in non-obtuse manners.
It would be great to see a blog post detailing plans like the old days...
I would be inclined to agree, but the truth is that this thread has been around for nearly a month and nothing had been done by UWE to diffuse it or dismiss the release/announcement date as false or uncertain. If anything, golden posts only added to the hype.
Yeah... so where does that come from?
Is that irony?
I don't get it and I don't think there will be anymore maps.
Also, what I don't understand why they can't make the announcement yet. I mean - is the announcement not ready yet or what? It's not like you have to deliver right after announcing it. Hell, you don't even have to give a deadline. Just "Hey guys, we know we are a bit delayed, but we are currently working on X. You will get it soon and it will be great!"
NS2 maps have the BEST estetic and visual style of any tripple game title, even better than titanfall from 2014, its the best in any game i have ever seen or played in my life. i love the technical and futuristic layout, the panels and models, the settings and mood all maps comes with. i cant get enough of them! thats why i am happy to hear MORE MAPS, last thing i heard that other official map discovery or what its called was put on halt due to making eclipse or something. so enough with the cosmetics, skins and other gimmick, i want actual playable environments for more variety and this means ns2 is not yet finished! thank god we get to see more of it!
That sounds awesome. Actually, a bit too awesome to believe
Do you have a link to that site?
Bit early for April Fools'. I REALLY hope they don't mess with the tech trees again.
Ouch. That was a link to the NS 1.1 release teaser text someone linked as a joke...
We are getting a new map, its called mineshaft
Also I found a partial changelog!
Increased flamethrower "on fire" damage by 50%. Reduced on fire energy recuperation rate from 80% to 60%. Reduced cost from 30 to 25 so new players don’t think of it as "better" than the GL.
Increased time that umbra "drags" from .2 seconds to .5 (so aliens in it can retain the benefits for a short time as they leave it).
Lowered Lerk speed from 13 to 11. Increased armor from 25 to 50. Increased spike accuracy quite a bit. Bite damage increased and does Normal damage (was Light).
MACs now repair Exos at half the rate that players do.
Reduced cost and research times of tier 3 alien abilities (Xenocide, Stomp, Vortex, Umbra).
Reduced egg generation rate at hives by 25% – to help address the "zerg machine of doom" (thanks Zeikko!).
Reduced high HP for mature Crag (700/350 -> 600/250).
Changed pre-evolved eggs and droppable equipment to have the same tres cost as the pres cost.
Disabled initial blink force, to give Fades a reason to use shadow step as well
Changes
Disabled initial blink force, to give fades a reason to use shadow step as well.
Ghost model effect no longer shows up for destroyed power nodes.
Increased Onos base speed slightly.
Marine commander can now manually cancel ghost structures and get 75% of the res back.
Nutrient Mist has been changed back to be an area effect.
Nutrient Mist now speeds up only maturation and life form gestation (research, construction is not influenced).
Player personal resources are no longer cleared out when switching teams.
Removed rifle butt stun effects and reduced range to be slightly shorter than skulk bite.
Removed slowdown after charging for Onos.
Really? LOL!
ensl.org/articles/866
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=241170965
Oh, BS. When you release a photo like that, the intentions are clear. It's to get people excited and talking, and if you think their intentions were anything different, you're completely naive. They tease the photo, let the entire duration of the date pass without a peep, let this thread build up with discussion, yellow posts egging on the teasing, then come on the day of the image date and be like "sorry, we got nothing". What!?
It's not like this is the first time this has happened either. I understand things come up and things change, but don't release images like this if you can't hold to it. You just build up the community for a letdown.
Now get back to the fine art of speculation all!
People reasonably expect a lot more from a "released" game than a beta/early access game. I wonder if it would have gone easier if UWE never officially released NS2...just kept it in beta/early access/whatever. I think people would have been generally much more forgiving. Oh well, that ship has sailed.
https://github.com/unknownworlds/hlslparser
You don't even know what you're upset about missing out on, lol!
It could be NS3 (its not) or it could be a free weekend and you wouldn't even know... yet you're clearly upset by it. Just consider that for a moment.
If people can't be asked to be reasonable about UWE (or any game dev for that matter) not making a release date, then they probably shouldn't be so involved with such details, (like developer twitter accounts or corners of gaming forums) and should just carry on with other things.
Else, your unreasonable reaction just builds an environment where they don't want to share things that they are excited about.
And let's be honest while we're on the subject... that's what that photo was intended to do... to get you excited about something UWE is doing. It's supposed to be fun and exciting, if 7 pages of speculation doesn't demonstrate that. If you want a company who just releases X feature blandly with no notice or excitement then you'll have to look somewhere other than the games industry.
Dates change because budgets, schedules, events and software are all far less reliable than an arbitrary date.
I mean, you are not rage emailing every game developer that delays their release, right? It happens in this industry almost more than it doesn't, if you haven't noticed.
Lastly, it's better to miss a release date than release a broken product, don't you think?
If you do, then i'd hope you'd be a little more reasonable than shouting "BS" to game developers in a forum...
Just my 2 cents
Yes, it's unreasonable to act indignant about something like a missed deadline, but it's equally unreasonable to ignore the mistakes made by a developer's PR department and try to pin them on the community.
I do not believe anyone has alleviated UWE from responsibility for missing the deadline?? Or have i missed this?
The golden posters did not know that it was going to be delayed either, so it's hard to put anything on them.
My only point was that UWE was not intentionally hyping things up (like they have for previous large releases or events) it was just a photo meant to be a tease to build interest - not hype.
Compared to the hype that UWE has intentionally created in the past, i definitely feel this one was created by the community..
Does this mean every thing they tease will create hype and should not be done? I hope not.. I rather like those teases :-/
I am starting to think that I would prefer more blog posts and no more teases. A year ago at this time we were getting monthly blog posts detailing the plans and the movements of internal development.
I honestly prefered that level of knowledge being diseminated. Since eclipse we have had little information on what NS2s update future holds. Whether more content is to be expected, whether performance updates could occur, etc... The few small informations have been pulled from unreliable places (PMs, cloudy non-commital dev forum posts, or things like twitter). I think changing to the older ways (blog!), would prevent some of the negativity in the community.
If anything, we would at least know what to expect if anything at all.
I am not sure if a "hold back the info for surprise and to attract new players through news services" type of marketing is really possible for this game. The game has been out for quite some time and is played by a niche audience (not a small audience, but an audience willing to play a very specific game).
Nurturing that audience with information they would not mind being privy too seems obvious. Hence why Chris Roberts recently refocused the entire PR and information distribution for Star Citizen to be focused on those who have already bought the game. There are literally deluges of information about what to expect and what internal dev is occuring. Why? Because these are the people who will keep paying, will keep playing, and will do everything on earth to make sure your game succeeds (IronHorse is a prime example of such a community member). Obviously the example is not fair on one level (CR has lots of money to make this level of community action more feasible), but the point still stands.
The dedicated community with the devs ARE this game. Not the greenhorn who bought it in the steam sale and loaded it up once.
Ach. My two cents!
If UWE give people a photo with something that intentionally shows a release date you have blurred out, it will create speculation. You can't expect anything else. That will lead to hype and teasing more will only increase said hype. You can't run around and claim the community is at fault for all the hype, no one in the community would have known a thing if it wasn't for the image UWE posted...
Did the community know if that update was new content or some other UWE related news? No. But the community expected something because they provided a date!
When UWE fail to provide anything someone is going to get annoyed, especially after it has happened before. Sure there are people who will just pass it off but you can't expect that the entire community, especially one with people as passionate as some of those in the NS2 community.
Now if you're going to tell people that you are working on either new content, a patch, something else and don't give them a release date at least they can't continuously get annoyed at you for failing to hit your own deadlines