What's up with framerate!?
RejZoR
Slovenia Join Date: 2013-09-24 Member: 188450Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow
Slovenia Join Date: 2013-09-24 Member: 188450Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow
I used to play with DX10 mode (like ~10 versions back), everything maxed out on Core i7 920 4GHz, 6GB RAM and HD7950 and i was getting like 200fps all the time. Even on Wuza's server with tons of people. Now i have same CPU, 18GB RAM and same graphic card and the game becomes pretty much unplayable and i have shadows, atmospherics, SSAO completely disabled on 16 player servers. What the hell!? How can a game become such a turd by not changing anything graphic related!? I'd understand some crazy new effects or something, but it's all the same, it just runs like crap now. It's so bad i can't even aim at things right anymore because it feels like i'm running this game on a Rage 128 and not HD7950...
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http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/135175/267-physics-multithreading/p2
It's only mentioned, though.
You describe an issue with your client and not the game.
Try to reinstall the graphics driver or the game.
And btw. its impossible to have 200 fps on the wooza 42 slot all the time cause the higher entity ammount there are CPU bound not GPU.
In endgame the fps dropping under 50 on an 4,6ghz CPU there and that is "normal".
* do you lag on your listenserver. (run net_stats 1)
* What does r_stats 1 say?
* make a p_logall (or do profiler)
Now I have a i7 4790K overclocked to 4.6Ghz with 2x 280X in Crossfire X.
I still do not get 200 FPS (160 Maxed-out to be fair). Methinks someone is overstating their framerate.
In any case, it sounds like your CPU is overheating and therefore under-clocking to protect itself. NS2 is one of the most CPU intensive games outthere and your symptons lead me to suspect you need to dust out your CPU and other fans.
And don't start with the noob crap again, i'm noot some rookie, my system is perfectly well setup and clean. Bottom line is, performance got drastically worse on same setup as i had before. And that with much lower settings!
haha.
I don't know what you're disagreeing about? Someone mentioned dx10 not working well since the last few patches... I was showing him someone mentioned it; I didn't say how to fix it. Next time I won't attempt to help in the least. ^:)^
I now have a 970 and still can only dream of 200..
The counter also isnt bugged in the way you describe.. it will show below 25fps just fine. You may describe the fps stutter fixed next patch but really that has existed always. (although gotten worse a few patches ago)
a 920 is a firstgen i7. Its not even remotely believable that anyone with a newer i7 generation on 4gh+ would have a worse fps then you, considering how insane strong cpu capped ns2 is.
Now you can act all high and mighty but its simple.. people in similar or better hardware DO NOT get that fps, stable, on 18 slot servers, let alone higher slot servers.. Especially late game.
If by some superb hardware OC you did manage and not now, I am very inclined to let you test both stability and heat of your OC because somethings wrong.
From this thread alone there are examples of not paying attention to what is happening in game and or communicating poorly. Your other threads show the same trend. This is where the "noob crap" comes from.
As mentioned, you can not possibly have 200 fps a whole round on any hardware not to mention your own. On wooza's server this would only be worse again showing you don't actually know what performance you are getting. There is no DX10 option so I am assuming you mean dx11.
To my understanding, DX11 and openGL support have always been in beta as of yet in ns2. I have been told that recently a patch broke DX11 and it is not recommended to be used. This might explain your current frame rate decrease. Switching back to DX9 should fix some issues for you if you are indeed using DX11.
Again, this is an example of poor communication as earlier you said "getting like 200fps all the time" which you contradict here by saying you get 50 but may be bugged so you are getting less. Communication aside I believe I can explain this.
Many players have been saying for a long time that ns2 does not feel like it plays at the FPS shown by the counter. The fps counter is correct but there has been hitching that causes poor frame times.
Some recent events in NS2 that might help you understand the situation the game is in and your recent performance problems. UWE no longer works on ns2. I believe, correct me here people, but it is almost fully worked on by the community development team. They are doing an amazing job fixing many problems. Here is a trello board to see what they are working on. https://trello.com/b/91ApENY6/ns2-cdt-development-tracker
There is some exciting stuff coming very soon courtesy of the CDT team.
267: FPS QUALITY, PART 1: TEXTURE STREAMING
267: FPS QUALITY, PART 2: FILES AND THE CRITICAL PATH
267 : PHYSICS MULTITHREADING
The first two should reduce hitching for most everyone, including you, increasing perceived performance so ns2 feels like the fps in the counter. The third should increase late game performance up to 20% by what I have read. Those alone should fix what performance ails you may be having if switching to DX9 doesn't fix them alone. You should have better performance than you did before. This patch should be coming very very soon too as there is nothing left to do or be tested in trello.
Also, by chance do you have ns2 on an hdd? I have heard some players are having issues, like this guy here, with hdd micro stutter that will be fixed next patch.
Saying "i was getting like 200fps" doesn't mean i'm getting EXACTLY 200fps, consistently and constantly. Being a non english user and i know that, i'm a bit shocked you all hang onto 200fps text like crazy. It just means i was getting that most of the time and at later time in game it dropped to like 120fps which is still plenty. And that was with ALL settings maxed out. Now i have half of stuff disabled and it's still horrible to play.
DX9 or DX11, i actually get few fps less in DX9 mode and i don't even bother with OGL because it has always been unplayable on any settings.
@Obraxis
CPU is not overheating because i'm running Antec H2O 920 water cooler on it and i even crank up the RPM for it because i use headset and i don't hear it anyway. Temperature never goes beyond 70°C. I know for a fact that it starts to throttle at 99+ °C so that's not the issue. Graphic card as well, never goes beyond 70°C.
Still makes me wonder why is UnknownWorlds hesitating to use AMD Mantle so much if the game is so horrifically CPU bound and everyone knows that. That thing is designed to avoid CPU bottlenecks as much as possible. Just wondering... Would make more sense investing time into that than in DX11 that adds exactly nothing to the game.
I'll totally re-install the system today for the sake of knowing it isn't anything else, but i've done this before and nothing has changed.
UnknownWorlds are no longer activly developing NS2, and have not been for a whilw now. The NS2 CDT (Community Development Team) have taken over. Obviously, for us in the CDT to create a Mantle Renderer would be a huge and difficult process. Our programmers would need to stop making NS2 patches. Which we will not be doing.
What we DO plan on doing however, is work on Linux and OpenGL performance/compatibility so our Penguin friends have less issues sometime down the road.
As for your FPS, clearly you are having some kind of PC issue. NS2 has actually had a FPS increase since your stated start of FPS drop, and with the next patch we expect overall average FPS to increase slightly. In your case, try my full nuke guide in my signature, or a full format C:.
You link him a thread without a specific post about features not implemented yet into the live game and in no way could affect him yet? There's an off remark about how going from DX9 to 10 gave worse performance, but that isn't relevant in the context of the problem because he's been using DX10 and claims to have experienced much better frame rates with DX10 in the past. So the disagree.
Instead, you should ask the OP pertinent questions about his set up, like the obvious one, what resolution he's playing at and what else he may have changed or even calling into question his statements about the framerates he's experiencing on particular servers.
I actually did ask for a p_logall and/or a profiler shot. (lets make it a p_logall so I can try out the perf analyser which everyone has stated is gona be improved 'soon' .
If you type the command in console, it should make a .plog in your ns2 folder in your windows profile.
Also it only throttles at 90c? Odd, intels spec clearly state the max temp is 69c and it should start to do something if that temp is breached for a prolonged period.
What is your min, max and avarage fps? 120fps is much much MUCH more then most of us get in heavy combat so you should be able to aim just perfectly fine with it. (asuming you do not have 120hz screen, I have no idea how it feels with such a screen).
On a sidenote, JUST incase you did not check! first gen i7 are old, so are their motherboards. Unlike advertised not all tripple memory modules are supported by these older versions. Its part of the reason also why you have whole compatibility lists on CPU and memory for motherboards!
I recently replaced my 6GB by 12GB and I asked corsair what would be compatible with:
* my old memory.
* my cpu/mobo combo.
Their own old memory for i7 tripple channel was NOT compatible with their new memory. It may or may not work, but their answer was a definite no.
Considering I wanted tripple channel still, they came up with 1 module set which was bigger then the amount I had. 'Lesser memory' of lower speeds was excluded from this overview.
So basicly of their dominator/vengeance series only one recent module pack was compatible with my i7 firstgen / mobo! (it had something to do with the kind of chips used on the module)
So did you check your memory? Is it fully compatible? Did you bench it for hours after swapping? Did you ask your manufacturer?
if you got money to blow, for your case fans entrances:
http://www.demcifilter.com/
For dust filters, those are ridiculous effective.
That isn't something agreeable or disagreeable with me saying someone else mentioned it in a recent post, saying basically the same thing. That link leads to a page where someone switched to dx9 BC dx10 started to be shit. This guy is saying dx10 has been shit for a few builds. Wtf is the difference? Anyway, continue to disagree with my posts, enjoy yourself.
And I didn't realize there was a template to responding to such questions, my bad.
Not at 90°C, at 99°C. Also, Tcase doesn't define the maximum allowed temperature, it defines the maximum temperature specified for the IHS (and also measured there). The temperature monitored by RealTemp is the on-die sensor and is naturally always a lot higher than the one on the IHS. It's the one i care about and this one never goes above 70°C, meaning the Tcase is A LOT lower than that.
Do you really test RAM for several hours every time you buy some? Stick it in, if it's detected right and if there are no errors, hangs or BSOD's, they are fine. Good luck finding QVL listed triple channel these days...
No I dont test it every time I buy some, only if I suspect problems.. Like if it may or may not be compatible.
As for QVL... im not sure how some ram manufacturers test theirs, but they do still have lists of their latest ram compared to older gens, mobo's and CPUs which was my whole point.
We're going to need something more concrete to go on, like actual data.
Are you familiar with how to provide a plog?
Of course, like others have mentioned dx11 and open gl (Linux only now) are both still in beta like it says next to the option in game and are still subject to issues as they are worked on.
Feel free to take a plog comparison of dx9 and dx11 though if you want:
After a fresh restart of your pc, load up summit and In the console type : cheats 1, j2, lerk, scenload xl, p_logall. Now fly around the map clockwise until returning to point of origin. Restart pc and repeat the steps on the other renderer, DX11 or dx9 etc
I am confused why you dont make and provide a plog. It does record loads, for example in terms of frames.
Assuming for the moment that your computer is fully capable to run ns2 to your own demands, it may show a problem in the plog. (could be anything)
As for any demo recording, noone viable in ns2 exist. Thats why they have plog. :P
Normal recording not for troubleshooting is done by other means like obs for casting.