HOTFIX Build 274 Live on Steam - Natural Selection 2

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HOTFIX Build 274 Live on Steam - Natural Selection 2

Sometimes you release something you think is good to go, but sometimes bugs find a way of coming out anyway. This was the case with Build 273, not to fear...

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IronHorse

Be gone hitches!

Again: Thank you dearly to every user who provided useful data to us over the past week, and a very special thanks to @rkfg for being quick on the draw.

WasabiOne

Damn, beat me and I even post the dang thing

AdrenalineGamer

very nice thank you, if the next patch fixes the Hitreg/Performance and sets interp to 0.05 this game will be absolutly perfect

IronHorse

@AdrenalineGamer

Not remotely promising anything - but at least both of those goals are on our radar :
https://trello.com/c/TIyg0TRQ/456-hit-registration-de-sync-issue
https://trello.com/c/GVaTMR3C/735-move-relevancy-calculation-to-snapshotwriter-threads

AdrenalineGamer

IronHorse wrote: »

@AdrenalineGamer

Not remotely promising anything - but at least both of those goals are on our radar :
https://trello.com/c/TIyg0TRQ/456-hit-registration-de-sync-issue
https://trello.com/c/GVaTMR3C/735-move-relevancy-calculation-to-snapshotwriter-threads

nice hope u can find the solution

ZEROibis

Is there a way to disable the auto deactivation of mods every time there is an update. It is annoying as shit to need to sift though all the different maps/mods ect in order to find the crosshair that you know is not going to get broken by an update.

Obraxis

ZEROibis wrote: »

Is there a way to disable the auto deactivation of mods every time there is an update. It is annoying as shit to need to sift though all the different maps/mods ect in order to find the crosshair that you know is not going to get broken by an update.

No, because we have had instances of crosshairs breaking the game due to invalid DDS file formats and other such things. This is to make sure you CAN run NS2 after a patch even with outdated mods (because they are never activated on startup). Any mods you want to have running after a patch you can flip a switch.

rkfg

Yeah, always glad to help! (rattles his bunch of linux tools)
The issue seems to be gone, at least I tried shooting the shotgun on an empty server with several mods, no lag to be seen. Great work, many thanks to all the developers and playtesters! Keep it up!

IronHorse

Well if the issue is you sifting through mods you don't activate every patch, just take 20 seconds to unsubscribe from those ones to make it a short list.
That way after a patch comes out you can just click "activate" on the whole list without incident.

I for one am extremely happy that mods are finally de activated on each patch, it's going to remove about 80% of all tech support issues.
It also has the added benefit of making the user very aware about what they are willingly modifying and risking.

HellwireD

Disabling the workshop updater on our servers as it is now obsolete. Thank you @matso !

Server ops, don't forget to also update your Workshopbackup servers. The files are in the client again, not shipped with the server files.

GhoulofGSG9

HellwireD wrote: »

Disabling the workshop updater on our servers as it is now obsolete. Thank you @matso !

Server ops, don't forget to also update your Modbackup servers. The files are in the client again, not shipped with the server files.

Yeah we tried to sort that out with the build machine but it refused us So we will figure it out later.

The workshop-update server is always available at github: https://github.com/GhoulofGSG9/NS2_WorkshopBackup/releases

And it's certainly not obsolete (steam has a http-request timeout-rate of >30% ...)

HellwireD

I should have been more clear:
By workshop updater I meant the shine extension "workshopupdater" aswell as the NS2+ "modupdater".

Since players can now connect and play on servers that run outdated mods, those are no longer needed.
Which is really really awesome. \m/

[AwE]Sentinel

Is there a reason why the "obstacles" in the gorge tunnel are now loaded after everything else. It always pops up in your way :P Just make them non-collideable. Or prevent them from spawning near the Exits

Yojimbo

Atlast, no more fps grenades and shotguns that have second thoughts about killing someone!

meatmachine

After having 100 onos structure damage for a while and thinking "eh this isnt so bad", playing onos vs structures now feels insane :P Back to rekking ball onos!

HellwireD

[AwE]Sentinel wrote: »

Is there a reason why the "obstacles" in the gorge tunnel are now loaded after everything else. It always pops up in your way :P Just make them non-collideable. Or prevent them from spawning near the Exits

You'll find

Server no longer runs updates for tunnels with no players in them
Fixed relevancy for tunnel contents; don’t send contents of all tunnels to all players

In this post under Performance.

The tunnel props updates are only activated if someone enters a tunnel instead of updating all tunnel props all the time. Matso found this in ATFs perflogs to be an actual server performance hog. It was fixed in the above way and well tested. Maybe for rather slow clients they will appear to load later?

Personally I do not see those props appearing late.

Cannon_FodderAUS

Is the plural for Onos Oni? Can I be a pedantic prick, and say Onos were upset should be Oni were upset or Onos is upset?
PS. I updated the wiki with the latest patch info.

Asraniel

Cannon_FodderAUS wrote: »

Is the plural for Onos Oni? Can I be a pedantic prick, and say Onos were upset should be Oni were upset or Onos is upset?
PS. I updated the wiki with the latest patch info.

Its Oni

[AwE]Sentinel

Great.....remove them entirely and we have even more performance! Or is here someone who actually uses them for cover or thinks that it makes the tunnel look more "alien-like"?

_INTER_

Is the plural for Onos Oni? Can I be a pedantic prick, and say Onos were upset should be Oni were upset or Onos is upset?

Nominative: Onus (singular) / Oni (plural)
Genitive: Oni / Onorum
Dative: Ono / Onis
Accusative: Onum / Onos

So because "Onus" would rather sound... too close to another noun, they settled for accusative plural for singular :P

Yojimbo

I prefer onosuses my self

SupaDupaNoodle

The singular is onos, the plural must therefore be onoses.

amoral

IronHorse wrote: »

Well if the issue is you sifting through mods you don't activate every patch, just take 20 seconds to unsubscribe from those ones to make it a short list.
That way after a patch comes out you can just click "activate" on the whole list without incident.

I for one am extremely happy that mods are finally de activated on each patch, it's going to remove about 80% of all tech support issues.
It also has the added benefit of making the user very aware about what they are willingly modifying and risking.

dot crosshair and AV. i need to unsubscribe from everything else... need to figure out how to do that.

thanks by the way for getting the hotfix out.

amoral

_INTER_ wrote: »

Is the plural for Onos Oni? Can I be a pedantic prick, and say Onos were upset should be Oni were upset or Onos is upset?

Nominative: Onus (singular) / Oni (plural)
Genitive: Oni / Onorum
Dative: Ono / Onis
Accusative: Onum / Onos

So because "Onus" would rather sound... too close to another noun, they settled for accusative plural for singular :P

don't know about all of you. but i always say "two onoses in cross."

i've never heard someone say "3 oni on the way"

meatmachine

Onods. lol.

amoral wrote: »

_INTER_ wrote: »

Is the plural for Onos Oni? Can I be a pedantic prick, and say Onos were upset should be Oni were upset or Onos is upset?

Nominative: Onus (singular) / Oni (plural)
Genitive: Oni / Onorum
Dative: Ono / Onis
Accusative: Onum / Onos

So because "Onus" would rather sound... too close to another noun, they settled for accusative plural for singular :P

don't know about all of you. but i always say "two onoses in cross."

i've never heard someone say "3 oni on the way"

I disagree, plenty of people use the correct plural.
However MOST people still pronounce the singular incorrectly as "O - NOSS" rather than "O - NOES" as it's intended :P

Guys remember to disengage with your onos safely so you dont get killed by a shotgun to the onads

rkfg

Onoses sounds fine for me, I've never heard such strange plural form as "-os" — "-i". Perhaps the most unusual forms are "man"-"men", "mouse"-"mice" but those are exceptions. Also, Onos is a short for "Oh, noes!", the last words marines were saying when they met this lifeform, so I'm unsure how to pluralize this exclamation further.

In Russian it's kinda simpler as it's a loan word and it conforms to common rules, like
Nominative: Онос(singular) / Оносы (onosee or onosy) (plural)
Genitive: Оноса / Оносов (onosoff)
Dative: Оносу (onosoo) / Оносам
Accusative: Оноса / Оносов
Overall 6 cases.

Obraxis

One thing we forgot to mention, 274 now works again with 32bit Windows XP



However, XP is 14 years old now! We recommend that if you are running XP, upgrading to a modern OS for both future improvements and your own security.

[AwE]Sentinel

It depends on if we are talking english or greek or whatever. In ns1 most people (me included) said Onoses. Now I settled down with Oni (after struggling with the term) after reading that the name is coming from a non-english language and therefor should be conjugated differently. But since you could argue that Onos is integrated into the common vocabulary of the english speaking ns-community for years, it is perceived as an english word and therefor it would also make sense to handle it as such and say Onoses. Now fight

Yojimbo

Am I the only one that stills says "2 anuses incoming" and giggles like little russian girl!

rkfg

Yojimbo wrote: »

Am I the only one that stills says "2 anuses incoming" and giggles like little russian girl!

That was bugging me all the time. I heard close to none anus jokes in our community though it's a pretty obvious joke. Even greenies name them "rhino" or "elephant". This mystery would never be solved.