Scientific disscussion

sayerulzsayerulz oregon Join Date: 2015-04-15 Member: 203493Members
I thought that I might create a thread where any scientifically-minded people could discuss various questions and theories regarding the planet, its geology, the biology of various lifeforms, their evolution, and anything else like that. This game has a variety of unusual creatures and landforms that is rarely seen, and I thought it might be worth talking about how they may have come about.

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  • sayerulzsayerulz oregon Join Date: 2015-04-15 Member: 203493Members
    I first of all would like to share my thoughts on the life cycle of floaters. I suspect that they initially start growing underground, and, once they have reached a large enough size and buoyancy, a colony of floaters will lift up a chunk of rock. In the safe shallows and grassy platues, they only seem to be able to reach a small size. I suspect that this is because the soft sedimentary rock in these areas breaks off more easily, so the floaters end up breaking off rock while still quite small. In places like the grand reef and floating islands, however, the harder basalt rock allows them to form larger structures.

    That still leaves the question of: why do they create these floating islands? My theory is that they share a mutually benificial relationship of some sort with vegitation that grows on them. By bringing it closer to the surface, they get more light, fueling more rapid growth. Thus, floaters will continue to grow until their islands have reached the surface, at which point plants will be able to photosythisize as effectively as possible. So eventually the floating island biome will become a cluster of floater islands similar to the one in the grand reef.
  • IronSquid501IronSquid501 Australia Join Date: 2016-03-19 Member: 214480Members
    Floaters could well start out as a type of grub or maggot (Maybe even the Rock Grubs themselves?) and go through metamorphosis once they come of age and start growing their micro-organism colonies. Of course, once they enter metamorphosis they attach themselves to a rock and never let go, continuously growing as long as they have the space and resources to do so.

    They likely build floating islands accidentally, as some may attach themselves to loose pieces of surface and lift them upwards. The larger they grow, the higher they lift, and the higher they lift the more microscopic life that would sweep around them. As a floating piece of land is a great place for a micro ecosystem, they would simply keep growing as more and more life swarms around the floating mass.
  • sayerulzsayerulz oregon Join Date: 2015-04-15 Member: 203493Members
    Given that we never see them just attached to the ground, I am inclined to think that the creation of floating masses is a deliberately evolved part of their life cycle, although the floaters themselves are certainly not aware of what they are doing, so one could think of it as accidental in that sense.

    You are right about starting out as some sort of grub or other more mobile form- they would have to to reach a favorable position for creating a floating structure.
  • IronSquid501IronSquid501 Australia Join Date: 2016-03-19 Member: 214480Members
    I'm wondering if they have lifespans, and if they do, how long it is and what happens when they die. Surely the colonies on their skin would eventually break up and release their helium, perhaps causing entire islands to sink a little as an incredibly old Floater has died.
    I'm also wondering if anything preys on the Floaters. I suppose that will be answered later on in development.
  • BobythebeeBobythebee France Join Date: 2016-03-09 Member: 214045Members
    It may be a possibility floaters doesn't have a fixed lifespan. When you look at the big floaters under the island ( I haven't take a close look ) you can suppose they suck rocks and can benefit of a long starving life just like Hexactinellida sponge.
  • sayerulzsayerulz oregon Join Date: 2015-04-15 Member: 203493Members
    Bobythebee wrote: »
    It may be a possibility floaters doesn't have a fixed lifespan. When you look at the big floaters under the island ( I haven't take a close look ) you can suppose they suck rocks and can benefit of a long starving life just like Hexactinellida sponge.

    Thats what I suspect. I image that they grow extremely slowly under normal conditions, but will grow as fast as the food they have allows them to. They probably have no fixed lifespan, simple creatures like that tend not to.
  • sayerulzsayerulz oregon Join Date: 2015-04-15 Member: 203493Members
    Another thing I wonder: why is pretty much every creature on this planet bioluminescent? While common in deep sea creatures, in this game even things that live in very shallow water or on land glow. Why is that?
  • blurbrerrrblurbrerrr Join Date: 2015-10-03 Member: 208281Members
    In the mushroom forest, you can see really small floaters on the trees trunk, and they look a lot like the ones keeping the islands afloat, so maybe the islands are made out of mushroom trees?
  • sayerulzsayerulz oregon Join Date: 2015-04-15 Member: 203493Members
    blurbrerrr wrote: »
    In the mushroom forest, you can see really small floaters on the trees trunk, and they look a lot like the ones keeping the islands afloat, so maybe the islands are made out of mushroom trees?

    I don't think that those are floaters, they seem like some unrelated species to me. While I don't think that the islands are made out of mushroom tree coral, that does give me a thought. What if the floating islands are in fact composed of some sort of coral that is mutually dependent on the floaters? Note that the underwater islands appear to be made of some sort of porous organic matter. I assumed that that was simply some sort of sponge or similar thing taking advantage of the conditions that the floaters created, but what if it was in fact coral that composed the islands? The floaters initially raise up a small chunk of rock, at which point the coral colonizes the rock they have raised and gradually builds up around it. The floaters grow, filter feeding off of the organic matter and small creatures that the coral attracts, gradually raising up the island and allowing the coral to get more sunlight. Eventually the island breaks the surface and most of the coral dies, but the floaters can continue filtering out the small creatures that the island attracts, and potentially gaining some sort of sustenance from the flora on the island.
  • blurbrerrrblurbrerrr Join Date: 2015-10-03 Member: 208281Members
    are you sure? they look so much alike!
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  • sayerulzsayerulz oregon Join Date: 2015-04-15 Member: 203493Members
    blurbrerrr wrote: »
    are you sure? they look so much alike!
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    To me at least, the things on the mushroom trees look like they have a much rougher skin texture, although that could be because of lower resolution. there are also no floating objects in the mushroom forest.
  • Mr_EndarMr_Endar Join Date: 2016-03-05 Member: 213859Members
    edited March 2016
    I wonder what the reaper hunts on when there are no seamoth around?
    And why we don't sea any reaper calf? and what do the eat? are reapers breastfeeding their offsprings until they grow up, or do they prey on small fish?
  • ComicalSkateComicalSkate Canada, ON Join Date: 2015-05-28 Member: 204993Members
    sayerulz wrote: »
    Another thing I wonder: why is pretty much every creature on this planet bioluminescent? While common in deep sea creatures, in this game even things that live in very shallow water or on land glow. Why is that?

    Maybe because it looks cool, bling and swag is very important to these sea creatures.
  • sayerulzsayerulz oregon Join Date: 2015-04-15 Member: 203493Members
    Mr_Endar wrote: »
    I wonder what the reaper hunts on when there are no seamoth around?
    And why we don't sea any reaper calf? and what do the eat? are reapers breastfeeding their offsprings until they grow up, or do they prey on small fish?

    One of the main things I find odd about the reapers is that they live in very barren biomes. One would expect a superpredator to live where there is lots of prey, but the only large thing that the reapers normally live with is sand sharks. Perhaps the claws on their heads allow them to grab sandsharks out of the sand?
  • zetachronzetachron Germany Join Date: 2014-11-14 Member: 199655Members
    To me it appears that floaters start their lifecycle at the ocean bottom. There they are small and start to attach to rocks, extracting resources out of the rock and getting bigger until they break free a rock formation from the bottom, lifting the rock to the surface, while the rock, eaten from below gets an island shape with an undisturbed top and a crunched bottom part. Some floaters will let go if big enough, temporarily allowing the island to drift back to the bottom until new floaters attach.

    The process of a rock rising from the ocean bottom to the surface is long, so coral life starts to shape the island too. Finally the island breaks apart repeatedly until the floaters without food start to reduce in size, sink back to the ocean bottom to get new rock food again and the cycle restarts.

    It's unknown what the floaters extract from rocks, but we pray they don't eat the metal ore out of rocks, because this would mean that a cyclops driving through a floater swarm would get eaten up by those floaters that attach to the sub hull and melting through it, getting bigger and bigger until the sub is no more.
  • zetachronzetachron Germany Join Date: 2014-11-14 Member: 199655Members
    sayerulz wrote: »
    One of the main things I find odd about the reapers is that they live in very barren biomes. One would expect a superpredator to live where there is lots of prey, but the only large thing that the reapers normally live with is sand sharks. Perhaps the claws on their heads allow them to grab sandsharks out of the sand?

    Leviathan sized predators should roam the sea to find enough food, unless there's plenty of it locally. That means the reaper must live from sandsharks or the devs must implement a roaming pathfinding. Because the reaper is only seen near two greater food sources locally - the sandshark and the reefback. All other creatures are too far away from non roaming reapers.

    If the reefback is the reaper food, than the reefback can't flee and is forced to roam the sea, thus forcing the reaper to roam and seek for reefbacks.

    If the sandshark is the target, the reaper only needs a trick or an organ to detect the sandshark, which is also not fast enough to flee, but can hide. I have always found sandsharks not far from reapers so far. So it would work.

    For a simple reason I would prefer roaming leviathans though:

    It's thrilling and makes it dangerous to travel through the open sea carelessly. Leviathans are heard from afar, making it frightening, but allows the player to react. Leviathans are also much rarer than the other creatures, thus roaming would not draw much processing power and should be programmable. I remember that once I realized I would be safe in most open sea parts, the game has lost a lot of its fear from predator concepts.

    Now predators are more annoying than feared, because after some time you can calculate their pathfinding exactly. Most of them simply swim around needed resources. And that's the difference between fear and annoyance. For example, I don't have to fear biters, but they annoy me, as I have to get rid of them before harvesting resources. Or crabsnakes only hide in jellyshrooms.

    Please, devs, remember that fear needs surprise - the inability to predict the enemy. The predators of the game must be able to roam more and use more random actions and pathfinding. The sandshark must not move when other creatures are near and then strike suddenly. The biters must suddenly aggregate to biter swarms and then hunt the prey. The crabsnake also hide in some dark tunnels, ...
  • BobythebeeBobythebee France Join Date: 2016-03-09 Member: 214045Members
    blurbrerrr wrote: »
    In the mushroom forest, you can see really small floaters on the trees trunk
    I think you'v seen some Barnacle suckers. For now it's just possible to break it.
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