Big downloading.

SubGamer1233SubGamer1233 Croatia Join Date: 2016-03-21 Member: 214651Members
It's 24th of January I played experimental. Then I went to play the stable build v42313.
When I set betas to experimental - I needed to update the game. Like always in subnautica explerimental. BUT LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THIS UPDATE!
Is this the Big update for 24th January?!?! :D:D

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  • FathomFathom Earth Join Date: 2016-07-01 Member: 219405Members
    Psh. My save files are bigger than that.
  • DaveyNYDaveyNY Schenectady, NY Join Date: 2016-08-30 Member: 221903Members
    NO, the Dev's have already said that it won't be until Thursday now. (Jan. 26, 2017)
    B)
  • TarkannenTarkannen North Carolina Join Date: 2016-08-15 Member: 221304Members
    edited January 2017
    While I have seen the link in the other thread regarding the dev comment on Steam Forums and have accepted a delayed update, I'm not dismissing a possibility for today until the Trello page is updated (I can still hope...) :o

    Edit: I should point out that I'm not super eager for a new story development or some new game mechanic, but the hopes that this is the update where Terraform removal (and ultimately better stability) finally becomes a reality. :love:
  • zetachronzetachron Germany Join Date: 2014-11-14 Member: 199655Members
    Tarkannen wrote: »
    While I have seen the link in the other thread regarding the dev comment on Steam Forums and have accepted a delayed update, I'm not dismissing a possibility for today until the Trello page is updated (I can still hope...) :o

    Edit: I should point out that I'm not super eager for a new story development or some new game mechanic, but the hopes that this is the update where Terraform removal (and ultimately better stability) finally becomes a reality. :love:

    Terraforming is already gone in experimental, but there is still some bug that is making savegames getting bad the longer you play and this will probably take until feb update to get fixed if no miracle happens. So this Jan update even delayed will probably still be a not-so-stable one considering long play times.

    Of course there's some good stuff inside the Jan update and I think it will already be more stable than the last update.
  • TarkannenTarkannen North Carolina Join Date: 2016-08-15 Member: 221304Members
    zetachron wrote: »
    Terraforming is already gone in experimental, but there is still some bug that is making savegames getting bad the longer you play and this will probably take until feb update to get fixed if no miracle happens. So this Jan update even delayed will probably still be a not-so-stable one considering long play times.

    Of course there's some good stuff inside the Jan update and I think it will already be more stable than the last update.

    Yeah, just this morning my game froze and crashed for no reason, for no reason other than playing on a savefile that had 16+ hours on it. I ended up having to delete the CellsCache & CompiledOctressCache folders in my savefile to get it stable enough to play again. I know I need a better system to play Subnautica on (even extra memory would be nice), but until then I've got to make do with what I have. So for me, getting the no terraforming = improved performance & stability would be so nice...
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    Tarkannen wrote: »
    zetachron wrote: »
    Terraforming is already gone in experimental, but there is still some bug that is making savegames getting bad the longer you play and this will probably take until feb update to get fixed if no miracle happens. So this Jan update even delayed will probably still be a not-so-stable one considering long play times.

    Of course there's some good stuff inside the Jan update and I think it will already be more stable than the last update.

    Yeah, just this morning my game froze and crashed for no reason, for no reason other than playing on a savefile that had 16+ hours on it. I ended up having to delete the CellsCache & CompiledOctressCache folders in my savefile to get it stable enough to play again. I know I need a better system to play Subnautica on (even extra memory would be nice), but until then I've got to make do with what I have. So for me, getting the no terraforming = improved performance & stability would be so nice...

    Do you have an SSD?
  • Morph_GuyMorph_Guy Join Date: 2016-04-21 Member: 216034Members
    edited January 2017
    zetachron wrote: »
    Tarkannen wrote: »
    While I have seen the link in the other thread regarding the dev comment on Steam Forums and have accepted a delayed update, I'm not dismissing a possibility for today until the Trello page is updated (I can still hope...) :o

    Edit: I should point out that I'm not super eager for a new story development or some new game mechanic, but the hopes that this is the update where Terraform removal (and ultimately better stability) finally becomes a reality. :love:

    Terraforming is already gone in experimental, but there is still some bug that is making savegames getting bad the longer you play and this will probably take until feb update to get fixed if no miracle happens. So this Jan update even delayed will probably still be a not-so-stable one considering long play times.

    Of course there's some good stuff inside the Jan update and I think it will already be more stable than the last update.

    Terraforming hasn't actually been removed from experimental. Bases just simply can't be placed into the ground now.
  • TarkannenTarkannen North Carolina Join Date: 2016-08-15 Member: 221304Members
    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    Do you have an SSD?

    No, sadly I dont have one in my PC yet, although I do want one. If I ran Subnautica from it, I would reduce loading time for textures and improve the performance of the game overall. But it wouldn't be a worthwhile investment for me since my system can only support 4G of memory total - I'd rather wait to upgrade to a better system before I invest also in a SSD.

    I saw your reply to my question I posted before, and I have considered it going full SSD. I have a friend who runs Windows and games all from a SSD, so I've seen firsthand how having everything on the SSD improves performance. My only concern is that the typical SSD has an average lifespan of 1500 hours, and when they finally do expire there's little hope for data recovery. So I would probably still use a standard drive to run my OS and have the SSD to run games and other programs on.

    But! Until I do actually get a better PC, I'll have to enjoy what performance boosts I can get from the software side. I do appreciate your suggestions and ideas, thank you! :blush:
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    Tarkannen wrote: »
    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    Do you have an SSD?

    No, sadly I dont have one in my PC yet, although I do want one. If I ran Subnautica from it, I would reduce loading time for textures and improve the performance of the game overall. But it wouldn't be a worthwhile investment for me since my system can only support 4G of memory total - I'd rather wait to upgrade to a better system before I invest also in a SSD.

    I saw your reply to my question I posted before, and I have considered it going full SSD. I have a friend who runs Windows and games all from a SSD, so I've seen firsthand how having everything on the SSD improves performance. My only concern is that the typical SSD has an average lifespan of 1500 hours, and when they finally do expire there's little hope for data recovery. So I would probably still use a standard drive to run my OS and have the SSD to run games and other programs on.

    But! Until I do actually get a better PC, I'll have to enjoy what performance boosts I can get from the software side. I do appreciate your suggestions and ideas, thank you! :blush:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2936416/long-samsung-evo-850-ssd.html
    samsung tlc mem cells are i think (don't quote me on it) rated at 1000 write cycles last i checked. so say you have a 250gb drive, you can write (safely) 250,000gb. over tht, you need to start worrying and monitor the smart values from time to time. assuming you use the drive for 5 years that's 13gb each day, every day.

    I would (and do) use a 250GB SSD for the OS and a few games, and a regular HDD for videos, music, pictures, and games that don't have huge load times. By the time your SSD starts wearing out, it will be time to put a 1 or 2 TB SSD in there for the same price you bought the 250GB for (hopefully lol).

    What's your system specs? (in my signature, use Speccy and File > Save As)
  • TarkannenTarkannen North Carolina Join Date: 2016-08-15 Member: 221304Members
    edited January 2017
    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    What's your system specs? (in my signature, use Speccy and File > Save As)

    It's a Dell Vostro 230 with an Intel Core 2 Duo (2.93Ghz) and 4GB DDR2 memory. I've already checked, and Crucial.com states that it can't have more than 4GB of memory total. I've considered adding a SSD to improve system and game performance, but the truth is I just need to upgrade to a better system altogether. But I have other things to take care of first, so a new gaming system will just have to wait lol.

    All in all, Subnautica runs great as it is now, even with the occasional lag between loading biomes. But with the game having to track all of the terraforming changes, and then with memory leaks and duplicating wrecks issue I eventually have terrible performance and grinding to a halt until it crashes. I tried Markiplier's suggestion about deleting the baked-batch-cells-14-18-15.bin file but while it helped loading times it didn't fix the memory leaks or duplicated wreck issues, so I have to purge folders every so often to keep my game from grinding to a halt.
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    edited January 2017
    Tarkannen wrote: »
    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    What's your system specs? (in my signature, use Speccy and File > Save As)

    It's a Dell Vostro 230 with an Intel Core 2 Duo (2.93Ghz) and 4GB DDR2 memory. I've already checked, and Crucial.com states that it can't have more than 4GB of memory total. I've considered adding a SSD to improve system and game performance, but the truth is I just need to upgrade to a better system altogether. But I have other things to take care of first, so a new gaming system will just have to wait lol.

    All in all, Subnautica runs great as it is now, even with the occasional lag between loading biomes. But with the game having to track all of the terraforming changes, and then with memory leaks and duplicating wrecks issue I eventually have terrible performance and grinding to a halt until it crashes. I tried Markiplier's suggestion about deleting the baked-batch-cells-14-18-15.bin file but while it helped loading times it didn't fix the memory leaks or duplicated wreck issues, so I have to purge folders every so often to keep my game from grinding to a halt.

    Eh. Incorrect info on the Vostro, just checked:

    http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/t/19451189

    According to that ▲ you can definitely use the following types of RAM in pairs to get 8GB (as long as your BIOS is updated to the latest version):
    Ok, so I got another Vostro 230 in my shop and got a chance to try out a couple more sticks of RAM.

    Vostro 230

    BIOS Ver.: 1.2.0

    Core 2 Duo T7500

    MB Part Number: 7N90W

    RAM:

    Corsair XMS3, 4GB, 1333MHz, 16 chips, CMX4GX3M1A1333C9 - WORKING

    Micron, 4GB, 1333MHz, 16 chips, MT16JTF51264AZ-1G4D1 - WORKING

    Samsung, 4GB, 1333MHz, 16 chips, M378B5273CH0-CH9 - WORKING

    AOC, 4GB, 1333MHz, 16 chips, AA1333D3N9/4G - WORKING

    Crucial, 4GB, 1333MHz, 16 chips, CT51264BA1339.C16FER2 - WORKING

    All sticks passed Memtest86+ 5.01, individually and in pairs. All showed 8GB available in the BIOS and in Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit.

    I also have a few more sticks at home that I will bring in and test tomorrow, see if I can add to the list.

    Considering the lack of definite info available on this issue, I will probably stick this Vostro under a work bench and test some new memory every so often as I get it in.
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    edited January 2017
    Also, if you do upgrade to an SSD, there's nothing stopping you from taking the SSD with you to the new system (so it's basically buying the SSD for your new system now, and using it with the old system until then).

    EDIT: To clarify, the reason I looked up your specs was that I am aware a lot of the older systems had incorrect (lower) max memory stated, as the new chips hadn't come out when the systems were created, and the BIOS wasn't set to handle the increased memory, but they did eventually gain the ability to handle past the previous stated max memory.
  • TarkannenTarkannen North Carolina Join Date: 2016-08-15 Member: 221304Members
    Hmm... I'll definitely try larger memory sticks then and see if that works (if it does that will definitely help me out for the time being). And I understand what you mean about the SSD, if I find a deal online I'll try that out as well. Thanks! :blush:
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    Tarkannen wrote: »
    Hmm... I'll definitely try larger memory sticks then and see if that works (if it does that will definitely help me out for the time being). And I understand what you mean about the SSD, if I find a deal online I'll try that out as well. Thanks! :blush:

    While you're waiting for a deal, here's some SSD reviews so you know what specs to look out for (from Tom's hardware):

    Best PCI-e SSDs

    Best SATA SSDs

    You can get M.2 PCI-E to regular PCI-E x4 adapters, such as this one, just be sure to do a lot of research and ask questions so you get the right one (I guess M.2 SSDs can transfer data like 4x faster than a regular SATA SSD as SATA isn't as fast at this point).
    For more info, read this: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/understanding-m-2-the-interface-that-will-speed-up-your-next-ssd/
  • TarkannenTarkannen North Carolina Join Date: 2016-08-15 Member: 221304Members
    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    While you're waiting for a deal, here's some SSD reviews so you know what specs to look out for (from Tom's hardware):

    Best PCI-e SSDs
    Best SATA SSDs

    You can get M.2 PCI-E to regular PCI-E x4 adapters, such as this one, just be sure to do a lot of research and ask questions so you get the right one (I guess M.2 SSDs can transfer data like 4x faster than a regular SATA SSD as SATA isn't as fast at this point).
    For more info, read this: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/understanding-m-2-the-interface-that-will-speed-up-your-next-ssd/

    So... minor update. I ordered 2x 4GB memory sticks from Crucial.com, and made sure they were the 1333MHz DDR3 memory. I installed them both in my tower and booted up... triple beep code with flashing amber light; it won't boot. So I put the original memory back in, and go to Dell.com and update my BIOS. I was running 1.0.0 but now I have the 1.4.0 update. So, I power down again and put the two memory sticks back in and power up... triple beep code with flashing amber light. :cry:

    I'm kind of curious how the other person in your previous post claimed they were able to get 8GB of memory to work with this motherboard. I mean, I suppose it's possible these are labed as the wrong speed or are just defective, but the stickers say it should work. So, now I have to decide if I should exchange these sticks or just do a refund. :frowning:

    For the time being I'll just stick with my existing 4GB; what with the recent optimization changes the game runs well enough on my system as it is. I'll probably just use what I have for now until I can upgrade to a better system. Thanks for the advice at any rate. :smile:
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    edited February 2017
    Tarkannen wrote: »
    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    While you're waiting for a deal, here's some SSD reviews so you know what specs to look out for (from Tom's hardware):

    Best PCI-e SSDs
    Best SATA SSDs

    You can get M.2 PCI-E to regular PCI-E x4 adapters, such as this one, just be sure to do a lot of research and ask questions so you get the right one (I guess M.2 SSDs can transfer data like 4x faster than a regular SATA SSD as SATA isn't as fast at this point).
    For more info, read this: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/understanding-m-2-the-interface-that-will-speed-up-your-next-ssd/

    So... minor update. I ordered 2x 4GB memory sticks from Crucial.com, and made sure they were the 1333MHz DDR3 memory. I installed them both in my tower and booted up... triple beep code with flashing amber light; it won't boot. So I put the original memory back in, and go to Dell.com and update my BIOS. I was running 1.0.0 but now I have the 1.4.0 update. So, I power down again and put the two memory sticks back in and power up... triple beep code with flashing amber light. :cry:

    I'm kind of curious how the other person in your previous post claimed they were able to get 8GB of memory to work with this motherboard. I mean, I suppose it's possible these are labed as the wrong speed or are just defective, but the stickers say it should work. So, now I have to decide if I should exchange these sticks or just do a refund. :frowning:

    For the time being I'll just stick with my existing 4GB; what with the recent optimization changes the game runs well enough on my system as it is. I'll probably just use what I have for now until I can upgrade to a better system. Thanks for the advice at any rate. :smile:

    @Tarkannen What's the model # on those sticks? Should look like this: CT51264BA1339.C16FER2

    That and what's the Service Tag # or Express Service Code # on the Vostro 230? Should look like this: B92515J (service tag) or this: 2449239528 (express service code).
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    Oh, one more thing: besides that ▲, did you go into the BIOS and verify that the update took (just check the BIOS revision number, if it took, it should be at 1.4.0). The other thing is you might have to reset your BIOS to default, but normally that is automatically done after an update.

    The thing to keep in mind is that that (Vostro 230) didn't support single rank memory sticks (so if your RAM has 8 chips on each stick, it won't work, but 16 chips a stick will -- the difference is the 230 supports the lower-capacity chips, even if they total 8GB, but doesn't support the higher-capacity-per-chip 8 chip sticks).

    Have a read through this thread if you want: https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1078463-8gb-in-a-dell-vostro-230

    That's why being sure of the correct verified model # on the RAM is important. If that's the case, you may be able to exchange your current 8GB memory for the 2x4GB of the correct model # (it may even be cheaper!)
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    Also, for an older system, I'd usually buy used from a top-rated seller on ebay that states they've tested the RAM as 100% working (if they don't list the exact model number, ask and they'll usually get back to you). It's a top-rated seller means you aren't really taking a risk (eBay will refund you if you have a problem, but that's not usually necessary as the seller will take care of you if they're top-rate).

    Just because it's cheaper and not really risky.
  • TarkannenTarkannen North Carolina Join Date: 2016-08-15 Member: 221304Members
    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    @Tarkannen What's the model # on those sticks? Should look like this: CT51264BA1339.C16FER2

    That and what's the Service Tag # or Express Service Code # on the Vostro 230? Should look like this: B92515J (service tag) or this: 2449239528 (express service code).

    The model number of the memory is CT51264BD160B, they are the Crucial brand as I didn't want to try the unknown "Ballistix" brand. The "DDR3L" vs DDR3 seems to be a low-voltage difference but otherwise should work in my PC.

    The service tag # is 79TVQL1, the tower originally shipped with 2GB of memory (1x 2GB) but I've since added a 2nd stick. The BIOS was originally 1.0.0 (stated in BIOS and on the Dell boot screen) but I ran the JL-140 update, which says in BIOS and the Dell boot screen that it is now running 1.4.0... although I have not seen any changes or additions in the new BIOS screen layout, I'm assuming something was updated.

    As you can see from the Configuration screen, the system is almost at its 7-year birthday. I love this system (and Dell!) but I feel I'm reaching a point where I'm hitting a practical limit on upgrades. I've added a secondary HD (not SSD) as well as a DVD-R drive, not to mention the nVidia GeForce 650Ti graphics card. It does what I want it to do, but at this point I don't really want to invest more money in a 7+ year-old system. I'm probably gonna replace it within the next year or less; I have the money to buy a new PC now, but other financial responsibilities are a higher necessity for me.

    I'll check out the article and see what they say, but I'm not confident I want to try again, since this last attempt didn't work. Thanks again for the input. :)
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    edited February 2017
    Tarkannen wrote: »
    Specs: DDR3 PC3-12800 • CL=11 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.35V • 512Meg x 64 •

    There's the problem: you see it says 512 Meg - means the chips are 512MB or 0.5GB each, to get to 4GB, that will be 8 chips. You need one that's 256Meg , so 0.25GB x 16 chips (you can also physically count the little black RAM chips on the RAM stick itself). Basically, you need low density RAM, as that's all your Dell can support. The higher density RAM, while equivalent, is not compatible with your older Dell.
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    This looks like it should work - it's 4 x 2GB sticks, each stick has 8 chips, but they're only 2GB each, so those chips will have 256MB each on them (plus, description says low density):

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-8GB-4x2GB-PC3-10600-DDR3-1333MHz-240pin-Desktop-Memory-NON-ECC-Low-Density-/151427475971?hash=item2341c7ea03:g:OzYAAOSw3ydVwz6O

    This one will definitely work, as it is the exact same model number from one of the pictures in that thread listed as working correctly: model # f3-10666cl9d-8gbrl
    https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231311
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